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Secret FBI, CIA Documents and Sex Video Tapes Found At Egypt's Terror Police Headquarters

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
 


Dont suppose you would care to give us names of the people the US kidnapped and sent to Egypt, including evidence as to why the US did this.


I can give you the name of a person, someone I knew very well in 2008, I was working with and trusted completely. I could tell you a lot about that person, addresses, phone numbers and much more... But you would quickly be able to find that this person doesn't exist, and never has... So what is the point?

They know exactly who I am talking about. This is their problem, and in many ways mine as well.

I have reason to believe that this person that never existed, was alive as recently as December, 2010 and failed to provide them the information they needed...

You have no idea what I am talking about, and that is okay, because these posts are not entirely meant for you or ATS in general.




posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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When I was younger and not too experienced in politics, I asked an older and wiser man why our politicans seem to do things that are totally in opposition to our people and National interest in the deals they make with foreign businessmen and politicans. He said "secret sex tapes." This was a big strategy used on our politicans by the KGB back in the day.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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Now if only the CIA had sex tapes of bin laden. So if anyone had sex with an egyptian actor or famous person in a hotel in cairo, then chances are there is a tape of it?

And yes the egyptian government were extremely corrupt and are the ones to blame obviously, US either turns a blind eye or doesnt know much about what goes on in the middle east. I mean they invaded Iraq because they thought there was a connection to 9/11, thats how bad intellegence is. Also Egyptian Intellegence gave them wrong info about it through omar suileman as torture often leads suspects into faking info. In the article I linked earlier, Suileman was so angry after finding out how that terrorist suspect lied to him and embarrassed him, that he flew all the way to Tripoli for a "talk" with the informant and the informant after being told about it commited suicide in his cell. Why did the egyptian government torture and abduct alot who were innocent for the safety of US citizens?



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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Here are some of what the document leaks contained with pictures from this site www1.albawaba.com...:




-- This independently obtained document reveals that Jamaal Mubarak, potential heir to Husni Mubarak, was behind the 2005 bombing of Sharm el Sheikh. The target of the bombing was a family friend, of Jamaal’s father.

-- The brotherhood: A plot unveiled to keep the Muslim Brotherhood out of key roles in the public services.

-- Proof of activity to destroy archives of state records, namely select or key documents. The originals would be retained, but copies of these very confidential or classified items would be shredded.

-- VHS- in fact a sex tape- reveals a rendezvous arranged through Hosni Mubarak, a female Kuwaiti royal member and an Egyptian businessman in Alexandria.

-- The opposition: An acknowledgement of their successful deal with the US administration as it serves the interests of Israel and the US; changing the current regime endorsed by the US would risk perceived detrimental effect on US strategic interests.

-- Jumma, may be a Mubarak-appointed Mufti perhaps an Azhari affiliate: exposed as being engaged in several secret marriages. One of particular scandal-worthy note, is identified as the grand-daughter of former head of Azhar.

-- A proposal that there be a purely cosmetic change in the Egyptian security state services. More dissembling; to convey falsely that the old state security is gone, while it is still sustained and run under a different umbrella.

-- Shocking: images of torture victims, this one of a tortured minor found on the state security premises amongst files.

-- This, a statement unearthing how a Mubarak-linked NGO or Human Rights association was planning to organise a campaign to pledge its support for the nomination of Jamal Mubarak for the presidential race.

-- Against the Brotherhood . It is believed that the author of these series may have been influenced or led by state security to lead a campaign to make the Brotherhood look like terrorists.
www1.albawaba.com...


here is an article about a recent talk with a State Security officer: eipr.org...
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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It as much of a fact as the other side of this argument is. Care to show where the US had issued orders to Egyptian Security forces to torture egyptians and kill them? They dont take orders from us, and we dont take orders from them.

The article in the OP is misleading to put it mildly. How was the US directly involved in what the article is talking about.


I'm still waiting for you to present your proof as requested in my original response. All I've seen in subsequent threads are you asking others to provide the same, yet you seem exempt. The US hides their operations very well, they have the money and the resources. As another post stated they essentially do their dirty work via proxy or on some foreign land exempt from international law (like that would matter anyways). You complain that everyone is anti US (clearly not the case) but when challenged you present nothing to counter your very own claims. Yah your right both sides are seedy and evil, the wrong people suffer but I will never be convinced that the US is not heavily complicit in these acts. The sad fact is that there's nothing I really have to say, the people who are being targeted and oppressed are the ones who will lash out, and you can bet your ass that 9-11 is just a small component of whats to come. Its the sheer arrogance of many in US intel and the military that their actions will go unaccounted for and all is forgiven. Each person that the US victimizes in the pursuit of its own warped agenda is 10 more people that will subscribe to a lifelong desire to wipe you out.

brill



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 06:58 AM
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very nice op
S&F

just wait til the US version of this is uncovered
and exposed. There will be a wall of protesters
miles long heading for DC with pitchforks
in hand.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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Sorry I missed that part of your response.

OP Source article

Title of OP - Secret FBI, CIA Documents and Sex Video Tapes Found At Egypt's Terror Police Headquarters
What the article is about - People finding sex tapes, files, people etc.
US involvement - They say CIA and FBI files were found.

The Problem I see - The last part of the article clearly states those files have not been released yet, which means the CIA/FBI "involvement" in Egypt, IE the extent of their involvement, if any, is NOT known.


None of these documents have been published yet, but they are probably going to be the source of quite a few scandals in Arab countries and abroad. Even the shredded material, which Wikileaks have offered to reconstruct in a recent tweet. [Egyptian Chronicles]


The source material the OP uses to link the CIA / FBI is this -
Cables: FBI trained Egypt’s state security ‘torturers'

That article talks about Egypt outsourcing to 3rd party mercenaries to do the interrogations, and goes on to state the SS had their hands in it, as was stated by another person a page oir so back.

Members of Egypts security forces were trained by the FBI in Quantico Virginia, which is not new. We do this a lot with other countries and their security / law enforcement entities.

That article takes you to this -
State Security Investigative Service (SSIS)
General Directorate for State Security Investigations (GDSSI) Gihaz Mabahith Amn al-Dawla


That article goes into detail about Egyptian security forces. It also says the Egyptian Security forces and accusations of abuse from them goes back decades.

We dont know what the files, if they are real, contain. I dont think the CIA / FBI are angels in any sense of the word, however, they are not solely responsible for what Egyptian Security did. Hell, even Egypt used 3rd party contractors for the "torture". We supposedly send 70 people to Egypt for interrogations, and Egypt outsources those interrogators. Notice - Egypt, not the US.

And again, I will point out that we are 4 pages into this, and all I am seeing is disgust over "US Actions" while Egyptian Security actions are ignored.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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this also reminds me of back when
Abu Garib news article broke.

Remember what happened with that one ???

Top Military Brass got promotions.

It is sickening. And these folks call
Patriots terrorists.

No, here's the real terrorists.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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I've just sent the Facebook site to afew Egyptian friends of mine....let me get back to you on what some of those documents say....



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

And again, I will point out that we are 4 pages into this, and all I am seeing is disgust over "US Actions" while Egyptian Security actions are ignored.


Are you attempting to argue that using a bought off proxy to do your dirty deeds somehow absolves the US of any guilt?

Only the Egyptians are guilty?

The CIA and FBI have also used Jordan in similar ways, and of course, they currently are using Iraqi police and security agencies as their torture proxy, in Iraq they have more controls and can easily keep secrets because they covertly run all Iraqi police, intelligence and security agencies.

Thanks to the Obama administration now (see recent news), those who are found to be innocent can still be detained for LIFE at Guantanamo.

I suppose lifelong detainment of the innocent is a more humane option to complete elimination and erasure, when and where possible to do so.


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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Friday is predicted to be a bloody day in Tahrir square, more bloody than today.
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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I speaking for my self dont believe everything I read, particularly from the .com news sites....look at all the creativity that Youtube is full of.
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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CAIRO/BERLIN -- Egypt's state security apparatus was quite literally a state within a state -- omnipresent, brutal, equipped with immense resources, and uncontrollable. Some of its crimes may now be coming to light. Over the weekend, Egyptian citizens secured secret documents from state security headquarters in Cairo. Shortly before, a fire had broken out in the building. Many in the opposition that helped to topple the Mubarak regime believe it was an arson attack aimed at destroying sensitive files...

'Zero Hour' in Sharm el-Sheik

Dated June 7, 2005, the purported secret document states: "Yesterday at 2:30 p.m., we met with Mohammad H., Osama M., Rafit M. and Siad A and agreed on all the points of the plans for the implementation of Assignment 231 of January 29, 2005. We agreed to focus on three vehicles equipped with explosives, in the area around Naama Bay, so that the first would explode at the entrance to the Mövenpick Hotel, the second … near the hotel and the third in Mövenpick Village, which all belong to Mr. Hussain Salim … We agreed that the zero hour should be on the morning of July 23, 2005."

Attacks really did take place on that morning, at 1:15 a.m., at almost precisely the locations cited in the document, and resulting in more than 80 deaths. A previously unknown al-Qaida splinter group claimed responsibility for the attack at the resort, which is extremely popular with European tourists.

Another ostensible memo relating to "Assignment 231," appears to provide the context for the act. It allegedly reports that a business dispute had broken out between Gamal Mubarak, the son of President Hosni Mubarak, and hotelier Hassain Salim...

Was the Egyptian regime unscrupulous enough to instigate mass murder in order to support the private goals of the president's family? For now, the veracity of the document has not been proven. The fact that the circumstances of the attack and the alleged guidelines in the memo fit together so well could be seen as an indicator for either scenario: that the document was forged, or that it is real.

Nevertheless, it would be extremely unusual for a secret service to put an assignment like this in writing. On the other hand, though, who would fabricate a document like that -- why, and on whose behalf? It appears that only state security service insiders, with the help of historians, will be able differentiate between the real and forged documents -- and that work might have to come at a much later date. This uncertainty also applies to the remaining findings, that nevertheless were published. But, in part, they are clearly more plausible. "Mubarak's Gestapo," the name given by the opposition press for the secret service, was involved in criminal activities on all levels.
www.spiegel.de...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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HOLY S***!!! Robert Gates was in Egypt right when Egyptians were storming State Security and Ministry of Interior HQ and getting all the CIA files!!!




President Barack Obama asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to set out, Saturday March 5, for Cairo without delay on an emergency mission as protesters gathered, and gained entry to the headquarters Egyptian State Security, Amn El Dawla, in Alexandria, Cairo and other smaller town.

Bob Gates' visit was not publicized in media, in US or Egypt. Only a few people were informed. Gates then flew to Afghanistan to wide media coverage of this portion of the trip. Is his visit a first sign of a new US unpublicized war on Egyptians and their hope for Democracy?

Coincidentally, as Bob Gates arrives in Cairo, the Army and State Security present him with a very special gift the very same day indeed: a hard line approach with peaceful protesters gathering in front of Ministry of Interior in downtown Cairo. The Old Mubarak Regime, Egypt's MOI and American CIA have a lot of secrets hidden there. As you can see, the situation becomes very tense, even though the protesters are very peaceful. The Egyptian army turns downtown Cairo into a war zone. It is aided by a coordinated attack from the infamous thugs, or agents in plain clothes.

Lesson learned we hope: As the protesters numbers were not very big, the Army employed gunfire, threw molotov cocktails, used tasers, electric batons and clubs against protesters, and beat women. The Army seems to have coordinated the attack with the infamous plain-clothed thugs that seem to appear whenever convenient for the State Apparatus.

Trusting the Army in small numbers is obviously not wise as 30 peaceful civilian protesters are now being presented to the military prosecutor unit. Lawyers were denied access to this Military Court, and told that no protesters were detained.

Must be just coincidence right? Or Did Bob Gates order Egypt's SS & Army to change tactics with Tahrir protesters?

Update: On Feb 26-27, two protesters were presented very rapidly to Military Court and received five and seven years in prison.

Update: On Mar 5-6, 27 protesters were presented very rapidly to Military Court and then released next day.

Update: On Mar 9, 192 protesters, including 17 women were brutally arrested by a coordinated attack on Tahrir Peaceful camp by Military Generals, Military Police. A few have been released after horrific torture and abuse. The Camp was destroyed and square was quickly cleaned by same thugs that attacked protesters. These thugs are definitely paid for by, if not actual undercover Military, State Security agents or Police.

Anyone can do the math for expected escalation of violence and torture against civilians, including torture, and illegal detentions. How many next week? Thousands?
www.democracyreview.com...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight


HOLY S***!!! Robert Gates was in Egypt right when Egyptians were storming State Security and Ministry of Interior HQ and getting all the CIA files!!!



As I pointed out earlier in this thread, they didn't get everything.



Checkmate!

Let them go



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by DuneKnight


HOLY S***!!! Robert Gates was in Egypt right when Egyptians were storming State Security and Ministry of Interior HQ and getting all the CIA files!!!



As I pointed out earlier in this thread, they didn't get everything.



Checkmate!

Let them go


We got so PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!! They are always two steps ahead. F**k!!!!!!!!!!!

There are too many shadowy things going on, better to just leave off to a far away island so I don't have to think about anything. Here is a thread I just created about Army torturing innocent people, now why would they do that? Did US have a hand in it?: www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW, having one of these secret documents will be 5 years prison sentence, they just made it into law.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight

There are too many shadowy things going on, better to just leave off to a far away island so I don't have to think about anything.


Stick around until June, spring and early summer will be nice, the forecast changes dramatically after then.




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Archive pictures of SS officers leaked: www.flickr.com...


no sex video yet.

and this is just funny:
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