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Chinese think tank says Christianity is what made the West successful.

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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 05:17 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

This may turn out the same way the persecutions in Rome did. The Chinese Communist party might be overthrown by a popular Christian Revolutionary movement. The Chinese Communists have already instituted tolerance of the Christians, which means that they can grow in numbers, outside of the state's inquisition. Christianity has been spreading virally throughout China for a few decades now; maybe they could field a serious revolutionary army against Beijing?

A Christian Republic of China is exactly the kind of thing that I need to see before I can rest assured that there is hope for the world (it is too awe-inspiringly incongruous for me to continue to believe in the sterility and boredom of this world).

posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 05:39 PM
The Chinese probably came to this conclusion because they admire ruthlessness and the overall willingness of a people to commit horrific acts against their fellow human being.

And no group has commited more horrific acts against it's fellow man that good old Christianity.

If you want jagged efficiency and complete adherance to a goal, no matter how sinister that goal may be, it is always best to claim that the quest given is divine and from "God".

Receiving marching orders from "God" will make a normal decent man burn entire villages, it will make it morally acceptible for a normally decent man to rape and torture and murder....if it is done in the name of 'God".

All religion did in the West was to instill in men a divine right to steal, loot, rape, plunder and commit genocide, because it was "Gods" will to do so.

The Inquisitions, the Spanish genocide of millions of indigenous people, Manifest Destiny here in America...where entire nations of people were wiped clean. An entire race of people virtually obliterated.

Religion has been used as a proper excuse to kill and to dominate for hundreds of years, no wonder the Chinese would admire such a system.

posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 06:27 PM
reply to post by BlackOps719

Like it or not the moral foundation of social and cultural life in the West is Christian.

Many in the West are slowly sawing through the very limb they are sitting on.

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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 07:29 PM
Originally posted by DCPatriot
Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by Stormdancer777

LOL! Can you...or anybody here imagine a world where humans had no fear of eternal punishment?

Where you would see the total unmasking of the human savagery on their fellow man?

Where somebody would kill you over a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? (Hell....just for the jelly!)


Apparently you've nevered lived in Detroit where many people probably would kill you "just for the jelly!"

Although, you are absolutely correct. The only way to keep human beings in-check is to threaten them with eternal torture. In that sense, God is extremely wise. I mean, we can all learn a thing or two from his wisdom. When it comes to raising my children I threaten them all the time with roasting them in my oven if they put one foot out of line. One of my children deliberately disobeyed me and would refuse to ask for my forgiveness so I had to broil him at about 450 degrees for 8 hours.

My soul was troubled by the whole ordeal, but I was visited by an Angel of God who reassured me that I did the right thing. The Angel also put on a nice dramatic display to traumatize my other three children, by basically letting them know that I have God's absolute belssing to cook them in my oven as a form of punishment. Needless to say, the terror that my remaining children have been filled with has helped to show them the light, and we have grown closer because of it. When I tell them that I love them they tremble in the cutest manner and their petrified stuttering to reply to me as quickly as possible is downright adorable.

I shudder to think how savagely violent and torturous human beings would be without the Almighty's awe inspiring warnings of violence and torture against us if we disobey. If it weren't for the Lord keeping us in check we could have massive wars, serial killers, murderers, rapists...or worse, downright non-Christian folk, just running around free of fear and terror.

Nope, I take God's example, the only way to lead is with an iron fist and inciting your followers, or children, into a dreaded terror of your wrath.

A fear of God is healthy.
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 10:32 PM
LOL, dalan! I had to laugh at your post. There is a stark difference between the OT and NT. It almost seems that depending on the region, there was more than one god leading the troops. It actually makes me wonder, if their is something to those ancient codices that belonged to the Mayans that tell of dark and light ages, because the age of reasoning has taken a long time to bring about fruition, but something still seems to be missing. On second thought, it's only been the last 100 years that technology and science has sky rocketed.

posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 08:51 AM
I will refer to America the most here, since that's where most of my experience lies.

But first, I would like to quote TheWalkingFox:
"For the vast majority of Europe's christian history it was a decaying society, a backwater of the world. Europe's jump to fame came with the Spanish conquest of the Americas, and the wealth that brought; And it's worth noting that the Spanish killed and plundered the Americans against the decrees of the church. The majority of Europe's advancements after this period came as a result of stepping away from the faith of their ancestors, which is, even to this day, violently against science and innovation. Christianity had to be put on the shelf for Christian Europe to prosper."

This is correct. Refer to your history books and see that this time period is called "The Age Of Enlightenment." This is where Art, Philosophy, and Science rose and gave birth to modern western civilization. Also called "The Age of REASON."

Let's remember that in this same century America was founded by DEISTS and ATHEISTS, that's a fact I thought most people knew but if not, look it up. Not to mention the majority of scientists and great thinkers were and still are non-religious.

Also, democracy had been a huge play on the development of the majority of the Western civs that rose to power. It can also be agreed that currently, when a country is in need of reformation, democracy is the chosen path, regardless of religion. So what I'm saying here is, yes, let's contribute the development of the whole western culture based on one religion, rather than delicately constructed political systems.

Funny how China would forget Japan as a booming, advanced country as well. Or even themselves! It is complete fact when I say that America's technological advancements are military-based. Warfare... okay xtians, you win that one

Finally as the current state of affairs go, however, we can all see that America is going to hell in a hand-basket, so to speak, while simultaneously religion is sneaking its way into political agendas more and more every day.

America is being left behind. And by looking at statistics showing which countries are becoming less religious, one might say another Age of Reason is approaching:

Percentage of non-religious citizens in each country (2005):
America: slightly above 20%
England: approx. 60%
Sweden: 46-85%
Japan: 64-65%
France: 43-54%
Denmark: 43-80%
Germany: 41-49%

That is the gist of it. And these numbers either have remained consistent or increased in the past six years. None have declined.

If you are wondering where America is on that scale, it is seventh from the bottom, along with Albania, Kyrgystan, Cuba, and Croatia.

Conclusion? The Vatican paid these Chinese "thinktankers."

Source: Zuckerman, Phil. "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns", chapter in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005).

posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 04:08 AM
reply to post by FortAnthem

WARNING!! - When I opened the link from the opening post, Kaspersky detected an attempted trojan download attempt, which it blocked. If you have checked this link, better scan your system. Good possibility some programs could miss this. Wanted to let all know ASAP.

posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 11:17 AM
The Chinese are correct it is the very fact christianity being here(in the US) that has allowed further development.

However, I suspect the majority of users are not seeing this from the proper angle. Christianity is a slave state of mind. It was ruled into favor in the roman empire for that very reason. Christians were content with their personal lives and never spent the time to get involved politically. With an entire nation of people like that any legislation or regulation could be implemented with little resistance.

As long as a christian see another claiming to be its leader while claiming to be christian themselves has no oversight of what that individual does.

The Chinese see this. It has allowed the west to justifiably create this broken system( corruption to its very core), without much resistance from its majority.

And further more when you gain the leadership of a christian state and them aim them at a target you have a dedicated force. All in the name of god.

Ever wonder why Politicians claim to be a part of the christian nation? Its not religious in nature, it is leverage over those who would hand over their reason for faith.

posted on May, 4 2011 @ 11:38 PM
Thinking of this:

1. Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.

2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.

5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.

posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:20 PM
They missed the mark on that one... Wonder how much bloodmoney the "good christians" paid them to say that... Christianity is the largest cause of misery and death in the world today and throughout history..

posted on May, 5 2011 @ 02:25 PM
reply to post by FalselyFlagged

Because it's the largest and generally most intelligent country in the world even if the goverment is totalitarian and large swathes of the country are brainwashed or too poor to even educate themselves? Or maybe because their civilisation has lasted for a couple of thousand years compared to the USA, short of 300 years old.

They were waging wars on incredible scale and building wondrous nations while we were living like cavemen in comparison, I think they deserve some respect.

posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:49 PM
Okay, wait - am I reading this correctly? "Christianity is what made the West successful"? LMAO! Do these people have any idea just where we would be if it weren't for Christianity? Short answer: Much further along and much better off.
To hell with religion. It is literally worthless.

posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:56 PM
Japan is Successful it's not a Christian country, The Chinese thinkers need to think more about this, certain situations other then religion. Japan is a Buddhist country, China should go back to the way it was, No offense to Christians but Traditional Chinese culture would has a risk of changing drastically if it were to follow the Western way of beliefs.

posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:44 AM
The West and the Rest with Niall Ferguson

Saw this last night on PBS TV.
He see a lot of churches on route 66 and figures that a Christian society is the tops.
So China wants churches now.
But state churches as in England are not successful so separation of church and
states is best to let the free churches flourish.

First off better living condition's saves lives more than medicine.
If Niagara Fall power were at the hands of each third world country they might live
to obtain the proper medicine.

Here is where the official word was laid out for this public message.
This sounds like to me that Illuminati think tankers and writers and logic experts
and BIG LIE brotherhood are feeding this guy material.
Thus making the program an agent of the Science Dictatorship of the elite.
Perhaps unwitting as who thinks of the Tesla conspiracy when the official world counts
and the keepers of science can't talk.

How about it did any one catch that the great use of AC electricity by Edison caused
a great industrialization. But it didn't. Tesla's inventions did all that. The Tesla
conspiracy has been going on so long the program can't be blamed for not going
into conspiracy solutions.

Sure the words of Illuminati and all are just trash talking conspiracy lingo.
But is there conscious omission to avoid full or any credit to knowing what he
knows about Edison or Tesla. The Edison power plants remained under his
name till today but use Tesla AC equipment.

According to the Tesla conspiracy there just might be power plant designs by
Tesla that could easily provide power to the third world. As far as administering
medicine there was another PBS program about villages with vitamin A deficiency
that required routine shots where perhaps if the people were supplied the means
to grow carrots the medicine authority would be supplanted. Those in charge
do their best but knowing better is food for storage.

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:19 AM

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by FortAnthem

WARNING!! - When I opened the link from the opening post, Kaspersky detected an attempted trojan download attempt, which it blocked. If you have checked this link, better scan your system. Good possibility some programs could miss this. Wanted to let all know ASAP.

You are correct.

If you have av integrated into Google searches there is a ? for Iona links.
Good links have green dot.

posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:25 PM
reply to post by FortAnthem

If this is the conclusion it has come to, maybe Europe needs to reconsider whether it mightn't be an idea to encourage rather than eradicate Christianity.

Europe wants to eradicate Christianity.
This sounds like Obama care where medicine is king of America.
The medical prescription rules put into laws and executive edicts is a new
use of the government only kinder and gentler than attacking Yemen.
ED: Some one tell Obama:

He said: “One of the things we were asked to look into was what accounted for the success, in fact, the pre-eminence of the West all over the world.
Should we let him go to Iona links.
The West shall rule unless Europe elites and the elites behind Obama get their way.

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