Originally posted by lestweforget
Why do you aim to deceive?
It is not my intent to deceive anyone. I consider organised religion to be a form of mass deception and mass hypnosis. My intent in the OP was to
explain, as simply as possible, some of the simple concepts of Kabbalistic philosophy and the Kabbalistic archetypes which anyone can understand
without having to join a professional religious cult and go through an often expensive process of indoctrination and mind control.
Sectarianism and the Study of Religion
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777
Not all consider themselves to be Knights Templar. Not all are a part of that organization. Your mixing up your terms and labels. Not all who are
Masons are Christian and even if they are Christian they may not necessarily be members of the Templar Order. All regular Masons are naturally
members of the Blue Lodge, but not all Masons are a part of the appendant bodies. It's illogical to say otherwise.
Freemasonry never seeks to convert anyone from the faith they choose to follow.
reply to post by pepsi78
And you know this how? Can you really speak for us?
When the scholar (student) or academic in the field of "religious studies" undertakes a study of a particular religious cult, for the sake of
objectivity, the person generally does not "join" that particular cult. The student must take care to consider not only the propaganda of the cult
itself, but also writings which are critical of the cult and the writings of cult opponents and apostates (ex-cultists).
Here on ATS we seem to have an army of Masonic cult apologists, however if one were merely to consider only their writings and responses, again we
would be lose objectivity. Consider for example what would occur if we were to attempt to study the Scientology cult without attempting to comprehend
the writings of critics and apostates of the cult? Of course the Scientologist may remark that only a Scientologist truly understands Scientology;
however this is an entirely subjective statement; of course the Scientologist who has undergone years of auditing (confessions of one's thoughts and
behaviour essentially), hypnosis and indoctrination will have a different perspective than an academic who is merely studying the process and
literature of cult indoctrination.
Further Scientologists are partly sectarian, since there is the independent "Freezone" movement of cultists who still consider themselves to be
Scientologists and who still practice Hubbard's form of auditing, but who consider the "Church of Scientology" to be a heretical movement.
When it comes to the study of Freemasonry, this is also the study of a sectarian (many sects or sections) movement. The main groups of sects would
include the various Masonic lodge franchises which are in amity (friendship) with the United Grand Lodge of England (U.G.L.E.), however there are also
a large number of sects who are not in amity with the U.G.L.E. For example conspiracy theorists commonly claim that Aleister Crowley was a Freemason
and Freemasons commonly claim that he was "not" a Freemason; however from the perspective of a scholar who is studying Freemasonry we can say that it
is a fact that Crowley was a Freemason and that the claim that he was not a Freemason is factually incorrect and an expression of Masonic
sectarianism. For example a Catholic might say that the Pope is a Christian and that Elizabeth Windsor (the head of the Anglican church) is not a
Christian, and this is simply a subjective and sectarian statement, while it is a fact that both the Pope and Windsor claim to be Christians and are
the heads of major Christian sects. The largest Masonic organisation in France, for example, the Grandrient de France is not in amnity with UGLE, and
so the minority of French Masons who are part of lodges in amnity with UGLE might refer to the Grand Orient as "fake Masonry," caclandestineasonry"
or "irregular Masonry" however these are simply expressions of sectarianism, similar to the view taken by the Westborough Baptist Church that only
members of their rather tiny cult are Christians and that all other Christians are "fake Christians," or "false Christians. From the perspective of an
academic studying Christianity and Freemasonry however, there is no such a thing as "true" or "false" Christianity or "true" or "false" Freemasonry as
these are only subjective terms used by religious cultists themselves, and what is "true" about Christianity and Freemasonry has to be derived from
facts, and from the beliefs and behaviour of the cultists themselves and take into account the various sects.
I have referred to Masonry as "ultimately" seeming to be a "Christian cult" or a "Messianic cult," however I refer only to the main body of Freemasons
whose upper levels are restricted to Christians; the two main bodies of Masons, the York Rite and the Scottish Rite apparently consider themselves to
be "Christian Knights" and "Knight's Templates." Of course "any" religious fanatic can join a purchase the lower degrees of Masonry irrespective of
whatever form of religious fanaticism they adhere to, however an essentially qualification is a belief in a sky god, and by "sky god" I refer to a
transcendent (up above) being, since human beings are also often referred to as "gods." The tendency to believe in a sky-god seems to be derived from
a pre-scientific era, but even Masons who have travelled in an aircraft up in the clouds of heaven still seem to believe such nonsense, and so I think
that it is appropriate to refer to them as “religious fanatics.”
I think that it could be stated that many Scientologists who have not undergone all the various “degrees” of Scientology indoctrination may not
believe that L.Ron Hubbard is the “Messiah” or the Maitreya Buddha, but I still think that it would be fair to ultimately describe Scientology as
a Messianic cult, since in the upper echelons of the organisation, such as their elite paramilitary “Sea Org” all the members have a such a
belief, a belief which in the past has been hidden from the lower levels of the cult; similarly with Masonry, cultists who only do the “outer
temple” blue lodge indoctrination may or many not consider themselves to be Christian knights, but this is certainly the case with the “upper”
levels of the cult, though of course by “Christ” I do not refer to the 2000 year old fictional, religious fanatic, the Jesus of the Gospels, and
to a living mortal “Imperial Majesty” and “Messiah,” would would be the “Grand Master of Masters,” the “Lord of Lords” and “King of
Kings” to Masonic cultists.
”And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and
make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was
clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them
with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name
written, King of Kings and Lord of Lords."
Unfortunately a belief in Messianic military cultism is not a victimless crime. Human history has had it's fill of theocratic (God government)
dictators, and the history of cult theocracy is dipped in the blood, enslavement and human misery of hundreds of millions of our ancestors who were
often enslaved and considered heretics and radicals. The cure for this kind of militant cult theocratic fanaticism is unfortunately likely to be a
future history which is also dipped in the blood of tyrants and martyrs. Diderot's “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with
the entrails of the last priest
," demands the renunciation of the diabolical ideology of pacifism and the renunciation of tolerance towards the
fanatics of religion. Of course I am not suggesting that anyone rush out and start executing Christians; on the contrary; just as Marx and Engels did
not rush around executing the priesthood of Capitalistm; the conditions for such a mass revolution have yet to be created and I speak to the world of
the future; the sword that is issued from the mouth of philosophers often outlives their mortal form and live on for aeons and be dipped in oceans of
"There is no god but man
Words are weapons. Propaganda is the first stage of war,
His Imperial Satanic Majesty.
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution.
".....the criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism.
The profane existence of error is compromised as soon as its heavenly oratio pro aris et focis [“speech for the altars and hearths,” i.e., for God
and country] has been refuted. Man, who has found only the reflection of himself in the fantastic reality of heaven, where he sought a superman, will
no longer feel disposed to find the mere appearance of himself, the non-man [Unmensch], where he seeks and must seek his true reality.
The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and
self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside
the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world,
because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its
spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It
is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is,
therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the
oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
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