On the Kabbalah. On Esoteric “Secrets.” A Luciferian Perspective. On the Prophet of the New Aeon

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There is no other method I have found which produces such an extreme opening of the gates of Heaven and Hell, apart from Crowley's, at least far as I am concerned, from my personal experiences, but to restate, the discussion of this subject is apparently considered against the ATS TOS, much as I am not unwilling to discuss the subject at length.

You're experiences, of things that are not strictly logic related, but involve metaphysics? I'm just curious as I do recall another thread, that seems to deal with the Judaic religions more and Christianity, as if from a materialist, secular, atheist viewpoint.

Have you had any experiences, in this learning field, of law of affinity, or spell casting? I prefer the first term for it by the way. If so, how does it work?

What is the purpose behind this sexual energy, often done ritually? Does it have a metaphysical purpose?

Originally posted by vinay86
I don't Know who made two different sexes out of those original androgynous beings. But, I think it has resulted in spiritual degradation and sexual confusion in the form of gays and homosexuality etc. I think we have been deceived and kept in dark from ages by various cults.

It is written that the separation of the sexes occurred in Lemuria.

And homosexuality is of what is called Black Tantra, the latter of which was mentioned in my previous post.

(Not all black tantrikas are homosexuals; yet all homosexuals who practice "sex" magic are black tantrikas.)

(As already mentioned, there also exists Gray/Grey Tantra)

Originally posted by Unity_99
What is the purpose behind this sexual energy, often done ritually? Does it have a metaphysical purpose?

As far as I can tell, the most detailed website by far on the entire internet, in regard to these questions, is found here: Sacred-Sex.org.

Originally posted by vinay86
I don't Know who made two different sexes out of those original androgynous beings. But, I think it has resulted in spiritual degradation and sexual confusion in the form of gays and homosexuality etc. I think we have been deceived and kept in dark from ages by various cults.

Certainly I would agree that the "male only" paternalistic (male supremacist) form of pseudo-Kabbalism which is typified by (though not exclusive to) Fremasonry is a form of "black magick" which runs contrary to the spirit of the divine feminine and where women are generally kept as monogamous sex slaves by such beasts; however it is a common form of black magick and is similar to the malevolent religions of Christianity, Islam and Hinduism; however I do not share your views on homosexuality as being spiritually degrading; the Freemasons are anyway not homosexuals; they are simply a Capitalist gang of paternalistic males, whose common objectives appear to be the establishment of themselves in the higher echelons of the International Capitalist Dictatorship; they are probably more interested in the slavery of the female than in other males.

It is my view that human beings are a bisexual species, and that exclusive heterosexuality and exclusive homosexuality among both genders are not really in accord with nature, and produces the world of Hell we live in. Exclusively heterosexual men and women tend to see each other as competitors and as potential enemies; whereas as gay and bisexual women and men tend to be far more loving with each other; it is homophobia, paternalism and the enslavement of women which contributes a great deal to Hell on earth; whereas the gay rights' movement and the feminist movement are progressive elements.

The Neopagan movement is full of gays, lesbians and bisexuals because they feel loved and welcomed; homophobia has no place in Thelemic philosophy or in the New Heaven and Earth. I do understand however that you are from India and that the social conditioning of your society is overwhelming, and that gay and bisexual men and women are ostracised. If I may say so, however, you are clearly remarkably well educated, highly intelligent and analytical; I think that perhaps because you have grown up in India and not in Europe, that you are affected by your own cultural conditioning, but for we Europeans, it is simply considered ethically repugnant to consider homoseuxals to be "degrading;" it is thankfully antithetical to modern political correctness. You are a modern, rational, scientific, educated European archetype in so many ways, but the lack of a strong lesbian and gay culture in India probably affects you.

Originally posted by Tamahu


And homosexuality is of what is called Black Tantra, the latter of which was mentioned in my previous post.

I have spoken to you about this before, but as far as I am concerned you are speaking in doublespeak; what is defined as good and necessary for me is clearly defined as evil and forbidden to you. Crowley was the Kabbalist prophet of the 20th century as far as all Thelemists and most Neopagans are concerned, but he had no restrictions on his erotic will; whereas there are armies of Kabbalist sophists and cultists who claim to represent such a tradition, use it to promote human psychological enslavement and the hatred of human nature, in the name of a transcendental human hating daemon whom they refer to as their deity; this is just a continuation of the slave morality of the old Aeon

"Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people." Alesiter Crowley.

There is no salvation in studying the Kabbalah if one only uses it promote the sins of restriction and the morality of a slave.

There are numerous other points I could reply to but I am running out of time today.

Originally posted by Unity_99
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There is no other method I have found which produces such an extreme opening of the gates of Heaven and Hell, apart from Crowley's, at least far as I am concerned, from my personal experiences, but to restate, the discussion of this subject is apparently considered against the ATS TOS, much as I am not unwilling to discuss the subject at length.

....Have you had any experiences, in this learning field, of law of affinity, or spell casting? I prefer the first term for it by the way. If so, how does it work?

What is the purpose behind this sexual energy, often done ritually? Does it have a metaphysical purpose?

The vast majority of Neopagan, Neowiccan woman seem to be obsessed with using magick to attract a lover or to attract wealth; I consider this to be all petty and trivial and I can be of no assistance in this; though there exists a wealth of popular woman's magazines and Internet sites on this subject. I am only primarily interested in Directionism and in affecting collective human consciousness, which is the craft of the philosopher, mostly; I seek nothing less than a New Heaven and a New Earth. I cannot see the point of summoning great universal intelligences for trivial matters and would expect to be cursed and despised for such insolence.

With regards to "sex magick," I personally simply believe that you have to try to have as many different types of consensual experiences that you can, through using your own erotic power; it is about personal empowerment as far as I am concerned. Since I have never paid for erotic experiences (though I have sold them), I differ greatly from Crowley, and from what seems to be normal to many American Masonic societies, which would probably not attract membership without the use of employed sex slaves. The body is the ultimate temple, and the Thelemic priest is required to use it as an object of worship and for the worship of others; disregarding all restrictions, taboos and slave morality; slaughtering all sacred cows and having no fear of any god or Master who would seek to restrict him; similarly for the Thelemic priestess.

Lux

Originally posted by Tamahu
It is written that the separation of the sexes occurred in Lemuria.

Thanks for the link to that article, I would quote these few lines from the article.

Man and woman united sexually form a divine androgynous being, a male-female Elohim, a terrifically divine Divinity. The two halves, separated since the dawn of life, are united for one instant in order to create. This is ineffable, sublime; this is a thing of paradise...

It is absurd to spill six or seven million spermatozoa when only one is needed in order to create. One sole spermatozoon escapes easily from the sexual glands without the necessity of spilling the semen.

Sexual energy is dangerously volatile and potentially explosive. During the secret act, during sexual ecstasy, the pair is surrounded by a tremendous, terrifically divine energy. In these moments of utmost joy and ardent kisses, which ignite the depths of the soul, we are able to retain that marvelous light to purify and totally transform ourselves. When we spill the glass of Hermes [through orgasm], when the loss occurs, the light of the Gods withdraws

Not only does one fornicate physically, but fornication also exists in the Mental and astral worlds. Those who engage in lustful conversations, those who read pornographic magazines, those who attend movie houses where passionate, erotic films are shown waste enormous reserves of energy. Those poor people utilize the finest and most delicate substance of sex, wasting it miserably in the satisfaction of their brutal mental passions.Source.

But in today's western society opposite is happening, we are deliberately shown erotic scenes in movies and music videos. In western societies we see people lustfully kissing each other and then wasting precious sexual energy. Their is a whole propaganda going on in the world against sexual energy, which if used carefully and cautiously can unite us with our true divine self.

Originally posted by vinay86
But in today's western society opposite is happening, we are deliberately shown erotic scenes in movies and music videos. In western societies we see people lustfully kissing each other and then wasting precious sexual energy. Their is a whole propaganda going on in the world against sexual energy, which if used carefully and cautiously can unite us with our true divine self.

The Aryan Prince and the slave girl.

Consider the average Bollywood film.

There is a potential sex slave. She is a light skinned girl of Persian (Aryan) descent. She is afraid of being married off to some old man at her father's bidding. She is all dancing and singing; she is a creature of erotic desire.

The hero is also a light skinned Persian (Aryan), he is young and handsome; he is romantic and loving; but her father does not like him; they are of different castes, despite their appearance.

There is nothing wrong with beng loving and romantic; on the contrary all women seek the Prince of romance and eroticism. Both my children are half Indian, their mother was the Bollywood archetype whom I rescued and loved and whom I still love and I will always love.

Thus far it was Bollywood.

The problem was that the Prince was not exclusively heterosexual; nor was he a monogamist; he had other lovers. He was addicted to love and lust; he was totally human; he was an occultist. This is the Thelemic priest. This is the European. It is not the male Hollywood archetype; it is more the Dutch, German, English and French cinema.

Lux

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Hi there fellow Brit .
I have a question for you which I believe you can answer .

Im anti war anti capitalism anti secret societies im neither right wing or left but I admire the Latin American leaders who are left . I dont vote because there arent any english politicians that I trust .
I believe cannabis should be legalised , it has never killed anyone as opposed to alcohol and cigarettes .
I'm not in favour of currency based economies , in our current situation I believe there should be wage caps as the middle class and poor are being destroyed imo the food and water resources are being hoarded by the elite which needs to change

I dont believe in external gods , I feel we have the potential to be gods ie creating life or destroying life and we can determine our fate .

On ats I have been called a socialist and a communist . I d like to know what you think (if anthing) I am .

Peace

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In terms of the Gnostic Teachings, Aleister Crowley was a "prophet" (or soothsayer rather) of the "Aeon" of the Black Lodge which is the "Aeon" of Heru getting defeated by Set, which unfortunately is happening to many souls right now.

Whereas Samael Aun Weor is the Avatar of the Age of Aquarius, the New Age where we sentient beings with humanoid bodies have the opportunity to develop our Will-Power (Thelema), by Transmuting our sexual energy (which we have in the past polarized negatively due to our fornication) into positive Light and Fire (Luci-Fer) and by Raising the Seven (Kundalini) Serpents of Fire, and the Seven Serpents of Light, by studying and practicing the Science of Daath which is White Tantra (Sexual Magic).

The Tao of White Tantra is how we (Heru, the Buddha Nature) defeat Set (our inner Satan), and Liberate our Inner-Lucifer in order for Lucifer to regain Lucifer's throne next to the Right Hand (Chokmah) of Christus-Lucifer.

This is something that "Christian" fanatics know nothing about, because all they "know" is fornication and sexual repression. Transmutation is the Middle Way between fornication and repression. And we hope that all Christian (and Muslim, and Buddhist, Yoruba, Hindu, Jewish, etc.) churches and Masonic Lodges will look sincerely into the origin of their own teachings in order to understand this. Nevertheless, not everyone has the Will to succeed.

"Whosoever calls you Thelemites will not commit any injustice so long as he knows the word with perfection."

"Q: I am trying to understand the purpose of Christ’s presence in, say, the world of Assiah, right? In the ninth sphere where the inhabitants are just protoplasmic, disintegrating bodies. So what is the purpose of Christ’s presence there?"

"A: Precisely because of mercy. The Lord is merciful; Christ is merciful. He knows, for sure, that every single soul on this planet, or on any planet, suffers because of the ego. But the ego belongs to nature. So Christ wants to liberate those souls which are failures. And then he waits for them in the ninth sphere, in the center of the earth as Lucifer. When they reach there, that fire disintegrates them. That is why it is written that hell was made because of love. Imagine. If hell did not exist, we would be bottled up in the ego for eternity. That would be really painful. But thank goodness hell exists, the infra-dimension exists, Klipoth exists, inferno exists. For those souls that really do not want to do anything by will, they descend, or they fall into the infra-dimensions, and eventually disintegrate, and eventually rise again clean, without ego. Thanks to the Lord who disintegrates them, involuntarily, of course; because one thing is to do it here by will another thing is when hell does it involuntarily.

"Those souls do not acquire any wisdom; because in order to acquire wisdom, the Lord needs to do such disintegration consciously, with love under will, in each one of us, now.

"That is the goal of his creation: to create Solar Men. But not all the monads want that; so therefore, the souls enter there and are disintegrated. That is why it is written that the day of the Lord will come as a thief when all the elements will burn with fervent heat. The earth and everything in it will be burned. The Lord is fire. People are waiting for Jesus Christ coming in the clouds, in heaven to save them--without realizing that Christ always comes every day in the clouds, shines every day, and gives life every day. He comes everyday. That is it--he is coming. When the Lord is coming? I tell you, tomorrow he will come, and next week he will come too—he is the Solar Light.

"But if you do not follow this doctrine of the transformation, the resurrection, through initiation, well, the Lord, the Solar Light, will descend through the nine spheres, and from there will destroy your ego, but you will not acquire anything; you will be a failure. And then you will ascend in another evolving cycle without being a master, without acquiring or being a transmitter of that light, just returning mechanically again. Mechanically going and going and going in the Wheel of Samsara."

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Originally posted by vinay86
...sexual energy, which if used carefully and cautiously can unite us with our true divine self.

The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismesgistus

"Separate that spirituous earth from the dense or crude by means of a gentle heat, with much attention."

Alchemy and Tantra: Sacred Sexuality

"The Philosopher's Stone is created by perfecting our own rough and unworked stone, the Brute Stone of the primeval Masons."

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Considering that you say you have a Hindu background or upbringing; your views on sexuality are from what I understand not uncommon, as many Indians are said to "fear" (Pechad) losing their seed and sexual energy, which is not surprising considering that the scientific principles of Sexual Yoga, Tantra, sexual sublimation, etc. are at least somewhat familiar to many in countries like India. Much more so than in the Western countries at any rate.

Some Christian sects use to know Transmutation, however the Alchemical teachings of the original Christians (Gnostics) were lost by many sects overtime.


But of course not all Indians know the Science in depth either:

Oordhvareta Yoga

"The Arcanum A.Z.F. (Oordhvareta) was practiced within the ashrams of ancient India. At that time, yogis were prepared for sexual magic with the white vajroli. Unfortunately, the brothers and sisters of the temple committed scandalous acts, which discredited sexual magic. The Gurujis then pulled the curtains of esoterism shut, and the Arcanum A.Z.F. was forbidden. However, the initiated yogis, male and female, secretively practiced the Arcanum A.Z.F. Apparently even this was forbidden.

"In reality, the decision to forbid the Arcanum A.Z.F. caused more damage than good, because the Brahmacharya system resulted in failure. This was due to the fact that no one was able to remain in Brahmacharya (absolute sexual abstinence). Those who remain sexually abstinent supposedly keep their semen. Yet, they suffer from nocturnal emissions. This is how their accumulated semen is lost. Thus, these individuals turn themselves into victims of the abyss."

– Samael Aun Weor

Samael Aun Weor implied in the above quote lunar Brahmacharya.

Lunar Brahmacharya = Celibacy without having previously Mastered Sexual Yoga or White Tantra.

Solar Brahmacharya = Celibacy after having already Mastered Sexual Yoga or White Tantra.

The current 14th Dalai Lama is said to be a Solar Brahmachari because he Mastered White Tantra in his previous lives.

reply to post by Lucifer777

some cults were rather "anti-sex," and that this is the Biblical / Judaic, Essene, monastic type tradition which demonises and portrays the sexual mysteries as evil

Perhaps yes, but I think this was a later development. What I intended mostly was that both the hallucinogenic and physical coniunctio/initiation were used... not that there were anti-sex cults. At least I am not familiar with any in that era.. perhaps the Roman hierarchy? I am not familiar enough with that particular context to state anything of value, only speculation.

With regards to the Eleusinian (Greek) Mysteries "not" involving sexual initiation

Again I apologize for my lack of clarity, I did not intend to convey such an idea.


Regarding hallucinogenic initiation, '___', and the terms of conditions, is it really against them to discuss this topic? I was under the impression that it was only personal experiences that were against them...

If we cannot even entertain altered states of consciousness as a scholarly subject... then clearly there is a psychological war at play. Drugs produce effects on the brain - end of story. I think the ATS institution can recognize that as a given, and in this particular topic it is extremely relevant and revealing.

However, if that is the way it is, then I propose the U2U system as an alternative.

But I agree with much you have written on the subject - including Ayahuasca.

Are you familiar with Terence Mckenna?

Regarding Crowley's necromancy, I must refrain from interpreting it as anything other than a psychological phenomena - but again I think the area to be discussed is how to reconcile the psycho-physical problem. I do this only because it provides a firm skeptical background for investigation - until something further is evidenced. I remain open minded, having never experienced such an event - although I have experienced other curious phenomena.

I do not like to give these phenomena labels such as "discarnate", because I think it mischaracterizes the situation. I think the human mind is capable of significant feats, don't get me wrong, but "discarnate" isn't the proper term for me...

Regarding the Cabalistic elements in the occult revival, this is unarguable. The only thing is the method in which those elements may or may not connect backward to the ancient world.

You are correct IMO, the Tarot was not invented by Levi, but perhaps the notion that it originated with the Egyptians was invented by him - or at least assumed by him, perhaps from some other contact or source.

He is a great writer, and makes his case grandly. But it is misleading to claim the Egyptians knew the Tarot. Perhaps they knew an occult system of numerology(which I think is true) that was later incorporated into the Hebrew language and that later made it into Tarot. I think it more likely that the Tarot perhaps came from farther east, India or China perhaps.

The I-Ching, for example, is practically the same thing.

Cheers, thanks for the stimulating discussion.

A very interesting and well written thread - thanks.

I'm not sure I agree with the premise that the forbidden fruit represents sex though - humans would have been having sex for generations.

If the fruit comes from the tree of knowledge, I think a better interpretation of this forbidden fruit is therefore scientific expertise, culture and wisdom (and even economics). No longer were humans innocent hunter gatherers, but instead as civilisation developed we formed societies and hierarchies - leading eventually to corruption and the loss of innocence. This is how I interpret the symbolism, anyway.

A great thread, though. I'm going to read it more thoroughly when I have time.

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The Neopagan movement is full of gays, lesbians and bisexuals because they feel loved and welcomed; homophobia has no place in Thelemic philosophy or in the New Heaven and Earth.

I support wholeheartedly any such movements, as long as they are against organized religions, Secret Societies, Tyrants and corrupt governments. I have no problem with LGBT community, I would openly accept them as normal human beings and treat them all equally with love and compassion.

Because I believe the source of all is same; which is consciousness and it has no tags of physicality, sexuality, religion associated with it. So, I treat every human being with same respect, because behind every face male or female, I see the same thing i.e consciousness.

The spiritual degradation is only my personal belief, and what I meant by that is the loss of knowledge of our divine self; lost due to the splitting of human beings in to two different sexes. Because I believe unity of female and masculine energies represents perfect reflection of consciousness, and separation of them leads to disruption in the communication with the universal consciousness or our true divine self. That's why people use different techniques like sex magic, to get a taste of what it feels like to be divine spiritual beings and to start communicating with their consciousness. But I believe these techniques can only get people temporary satisfaction, for long lasting permanent feeling of spiritual bliss they have to use the path of meditation.

But those are just my personal beliefs, and I believe beliefs change when a person gains new perspectives. But I absolutely agree with you on everything you have said about freemasonry.

they are simply a Capitalist gang of paternalistic males, whose common objectives appear to be the establishment of themselves in the higher echelons of the International Capitalist Dictatorship; they are probably more interested in the slavery of the female than in other males.

I know why Freemasons don't allow females in their organization, because they consider female energy as evil, the inverted triangle of their hexagram represent evil female energy while the upright triangle represent good male energy. And I don't think they will achieve anything remotely associated with spirituality, unless they start respecting femininity.

Cheers to the Neo-Pagan movement

reply to post by Tamahu

Indians are said to "fear" (Pechad) losing their seed and sexual energy, which is not surprising considering that the scientific principles of Sexual Yoga, Tantra, sexual sublimation, etc. are at least somewhat familiar to many in countries like India. Much more so than in the Western countries at any rate. Some Christian sects use to know Transmutation, however the Alchemical teachings of the original Christians (Gnostics) were lost by many sects overtime.

Yes that is true, In our Indian culture we are told that one should not waste sexual energy by Indulging in too much physical sex. We are told sex is only for procreation and not for recreation. Our ancestors and sages had long perfected the art of sacred sex , you can see it right their in our ancient texts like Kamasutra and on our ancient temples of Khajuraho.

Now at Khajuraho if you note the tiers of sculptural display are more on echelon type, the lowest depiction illustrates the lowest life on earth, the next series is the Grihasta ashram stage which includes the, tutor and shishya sequences and war sequences where one usually finds such animal human sex scenes. The next in series are the terrestrial sequences which are inter-spread with orgies, and maithuna figure. The entire sequence from bottom level to the highest level depicts the struggle of human to reach the ultimate source, God.Source.

But due to Ignorance, people today laugh after seeing sensual, erotic sculptures on Khajuraho temples, not knowing what ancient science they represent. We have in India ancient medicinal sciences like Ayurveda and you know of yoga, which are the best permanent cure for various ailments. But all of our knowledge is on the verge of total destruction, because of western influences from christian missionaries, freemasonry and other such western diseases. And the same destruction of ancient cultures in US, UK etc. is also perpetrated by such groups for their own selfish gains.

But, I think if people of all the countries unite with each other and share their ancient cultural knowledge, we would be able to win this war of cultural genocide and attain permanent salvation.

Originally posted by beebs
But I agree with much you have written on the subject - including Ayahuasca.

Are you familiar with Terence Mckenna?

Regarding Crowley's necromancy, I must refrain from interpreting it as anything other than a psychological phenomena - but again I think the area to be discussed is how to reconcile the psycho-physical problem. I do this only because it provides a firm skeptical background for investigation - until something further is evidenced. I remain open minded, having never experienced such an event - although I have experienced other curious phenomena.

I do not like to give these phenomena labels such as "discarnate", because I think it mischaracterizes the situation. I think the human mind is capable of significant feats, don't get me wrong, but "discarnate" isn't the proper term for me..

If, for example, one studies the numerous trip reports on www.erowid.org... it is very clear that probably most of the reported experiences with shamanic psychoactives could be described as "religious experiences," or "spiritual experiences" as well as being "psychological experiences." One of the problems with speaking about "discarnate entities," or the communion with "supernatual beings (i.e., daemons)" is that the mind can tend to play tricks with it's own memory banks.

For example when a Christian has a natural '___' rush on the brain, they may claim to have had a vision of Jesus; when a Sadhu has visions, they will perhaps claim that Shiva appeared in a vision; a Catholic may claim to have had a vision of the Virgin Mary, and so forth. For example I recall a hallucinogenic vision I had in my teens of "Jesus;" however on hindsight I realised that the vision was based upon an image of a children's Bible I had when I was young, depicting the stereotypical Germanic blond haired, blue eyed Aryan Jesus in a white robe; yet we know historically that the ancient Israelites were a Semitic (i.e., of Arabic appearance) appearance.

Similarly persons who believe in reincarnation, tend to have spiritual experiences which confirm their reincarnation beliefs, whereas people who do not believe in reincarnation, but who have afterlife beliefs, tend to have spiritual experiences which confirm such beliefs, such as the appearance of ancestors, angels and so forth.

There is an interesting theory that the medieval religious hysteria about witches, demons, faries etc., had a synthetic cause. The population was dependent all year round on the preservation of the autumn harvest and if the humidity was too high when grain was stored, or it became damp, it became mouldy; and of course in food mould, especially rye and barley mould, psychoactive fungi such as "ergot" contains chemical psychoactives which do not dissapear in the cooking or heating process. Thus our ancestors from childhood were often living on a diet of mouldy grain and alcohol; the latter of which was not merely drunk for pleasure, but for nutrition, and was thus commonly part of a child's diet. It has also been suggested that the Salem Witchraft trials may have been the result of this phenomenon; however ergot epidemics were quite widespread in the medieval world.



The problem when speaking of "other dimensions of reality" or "discarnate intelligences" or "secret masters," which spiritualists such as Crowley and Mathers claimed to be in communication with, is that such experiences are totally subjective, and indeed it has been claimed that around 20 to 25% of all schizophrenics are suffering from religious forms of schizophrenia, where they hear voices, and commonly claim that God or spirits are in communiction with them. Even George "God told me to invade Iraq"" Bush made such claims, and similarly Adolf Hitler and many leading Nazis were obsessed with the realm of occultism, seances, spiritual channeling, astrology, etc. In fact almost all ancient cultures appear to have some form of occultic basis.

I have no doubt that when Crowley claimed that various daemons whom he had summoned appeared to him, that he did have such experiences, since I have also had such experiences throughout my life; the problem is of course, that if one were to photograph a person during such an experience, one would not see the daemon, since the experience is purely subjective and is happening only in the person's mind. Similarly with a schizophrenic in a mental hospital who believes that they are being chased by daemons.



Unfortunately the realm of occultism can also be the realm of delusions; delusions which seem very real and can take over one's subjective reality. There are many people who live in total fear of some phantom whom they believe to be God and are terrified to break the phantom's laws, and to commit offences such as working on the Sabbath or even having sex without first purchasing a slave girl (i.e., a wife), or cutting their beard or hair.



It may seem rather incredible, but the person who fails to property sacrifice an animal in the prescribed way, may genuinely feel cursed and live in total fear of the offended phantom; this kind of thinking is expressed in the story of Abraham, who because he failed to perform an animal sacrifice in the correct way, his god allegedly cursed his ancestors with 400 years of slavery. 400 years of slavery for failing to cut two birds in half, may seem rather ridiculous to a modernist, but unfortunately many people still worship such diabolical deities, and still think in such a way.

While the human brain certainly has the appearance of organic "material," the human consciousness which it produces is certainly not material. and many human beings do seem to be under the impression that they can perceive other dimensions and discarnate intelligences; the problem is that these experiences are unreliable and dependent on the person's personal beliefs and memory. I do not however consider such phenomenon in the same way that a materialist does, who reduces it all to psychology and brain chemistry. The experiences I have had of other dimensions and intelligences have simply been too powerful and overwhelming for me to dismiss them; even though I am totally aware that delusions, visions, dreams and hallucinations can seem very real and can be explained by brain chemistry and the psychoactive chemicals our body naturally produces and which we often unknowingly or knowingly ingest.

I have to point out that due to the particular methods I have been using, there have been periods in my life where I have totally lost touch with reality and have been living in a world of total delusion and phantasms; Abramelin magick has been described as a form of self induced schizophrenia, and not without good reason; the path is besought with dangers, and one risks one's sanity to walk upon it. Narrow is the path to heaven, and few are they who find it, and wide is the path to Hell and many are they who walk upon it.



In relatively recent history persons who studied "Theology" or "Religious Studies" were generally being prepared to enter the profession of the priesthood; however I merely undertook a graduate degree in "Theological and Religious Studies" because of my fascination with all matters religious, occultic and spiritual, and I soon discovered that many of the academics in the religion faculty were evangelically anti-religious; some of them being openly Marxist. I discovered that I had embarked not upon a study of human goodness, but upon a study of human evil, of abominable delusions and of the effects of religious schizophrenia.

It is my general thesis that almost all of the great religious texts of the world were authored by religious schizophrenics, and that the model of a "perfect person" presented by religionists is usually always a model of a schizophrenic. This has had a devastating effect on human history; and thus despite my own personal spritualistic cosmology, I remain openly hostile to all forms of organised religion.

Regarding the Cabalistic elements in the occult revival, this is unarguable. The only thing is the method in which those elements may or may not connect backward to the ancient world.

Unfortunately it is not possible to prove or disprove the "ancientness" of many oral traditions; since an oral tradition, to state the obvious, is oral, and leaves only clues and fragments scattered in the written historical record. We Homo Sapiens arrived on earth perhaps as much as 300,000 years and yet the development of writing is only very recent, and a great deal of ancient writing is mythical, historically unreliable and merely the propaganda of tyrants, priests and prophets. Even the Freemasons whose modern organisation can be traced to the 17th century claim to represent an ancient legacy which goes back to the mythical Solomon and even to Noah; even irregular Masonic lodges which have been formed relatively recently make such claims; however as far as I concerned it is not about the age of an organisation; it is about studying all such organisations and their allegedly "secret" teachings, and attempting to find out what such teachings are, and what they have in common with the mysterious religions of the ancient world..

You are correct IMO, the Tarot was not invented by Levi, but perhaps the notion that it originated with the Egyptians was invented by him - or at least assumed by him, perhaps from some other contact or source.

He is a great writer, and makes his case grandly. But it is misleading to claim the Egyptians knew the Tarot. Perhaps they knew an occult system of numerology(which I think is true) that was later incorporated into the Hebrew language and that later made it into Tarot. I think it more likely that the Tarot perhaps came from farther east, India or China perhaps.

The I-Ching, for example, is practically the same thing.

Oh I don't think that anyone is seriously suggesting that the Egyptians were using a pack of modern Tarot cards for divinations; merely that the modern Tarot is based upon an ancient form of divination which combines astrological archetypes with the archetypes of many daemons such as described in the Lessor Key of Solomon ( en.wikipedia.org... ), which of course is also a modern text. Systems of divination appear in almost every culture from the Rune stones of the Europeans to the African shamans with their bags of bones; though certainly the I Ching and the Tarot are much more sophisticated systems, and I would say are certainly the two most advanced systems.

Certainly both the modern Tarot system and the I Ching seem to be designed to impart wisdom and to produce a wise person rather than a deluded religious fanatic; never the less I have no doubt that the history of the demonology which the Tarot is based upon is littered with blood, and that it respresents aspects of an ancient form of esoteric knowledge which was entwined with the blood sacrifice cults of the ancient world; thus the term "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil;" however the modern Tarot is merely a pictorial representation of the Tree of Life and of numerous human archetypes and experiences..

Lux

Originally posted by Doomzilla
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Hi there fellow Brit .
I have a question for you which I believe you can answer .

Im anti war anti capitalism anti secret societies im neither right wing or left but I admire the Latin American leaders who are left . I dont vote because there arent any english politicians that I trust .
I believe cannabis should be legalised , it has never killed anyone as opposed to alcohol and cigarettes .
I'm not in favour of currency based economies , in our current situation I believe there should be wage caps as the middle class and poor are being destroyed imo the food and water resources are being hoarded by the elite which needs to change

I dont believe in external gods , I feel we have the potential to be gods ie creating life or destroying life and we can determine our fate .

On ats I have been called a socialist and a communist . I d like to know what you think (if anthing) I am .

Peace

I would also define myself politically as a Socialist, Anarchist and Communist. I been immersed in the Anarchist subculture for many years, however I do not believe that Anarchist Communism is a global solution which would work in the short term; it is a long term goal and something which has to be acheived over time; the world is simply too barbaric for Anarchist Communist solution at the moment; a perfect human society can only be acheived if there are perfect human beings.

Probably most of the highly educated and irreligious classes of the world would be able to produce a rather civillized Anarchist society, but such people are not in the majority in the world. If one considers the crime free Israeli Communist collectives (i.e., the Kibbutzim); most of their inhabitants have been raised in the Kibbutzim since children and they are perfectly adjusted to communal and socialist values; however if one were to place the current economic elites of Capitalism on a hypothetical island with the football hooligan element of the proletariat, I very much doubt if Communist paradise would be the result, but rather gang warfare and violence would be more likely; Anarchy in it's most awful form.

The system we have in Europe is essentially the evolutionary socialist system of Fabian Socialism, rather than revolutionary socialism; where there have been many slow gradual socialist reforms, such as free healthcare, social housing, and free education in most states; however the Capitalist establishment and the banking establishment have not been overthrown are have been given virtually a "laissez faire (anything goes)" system where their monopolies and banks continue to prevail in a Capitalist dictatorship which causes a great deal of war, economic imperialism, the exploitation of the world, human suffering and impoverishment.



Unfortunately the "model" of what Capitalism is which Marx and the 19th century Communists were attacking has changed somewhat. Modern Capitalism is now 95% gambling and in the gambling business (i.e., the derivatives market) the total value of all derivatives contracts are now 20 times global GDP; billions can be made by those with the foresight to predict wars and revolutions, which makes war and chaos much more likely, since they who premeditatedly plan such events can profit more from gambling on war and the scarcity of resources than from peace and the long term creation of socialist systems and human abundance.

I expect a more civillized and socialist world will eventually emerge at some point, as a result of dialectical human forces, however the proponents of the current International Dictatorship of Capitalism appear to be entirely militant and genocidal, and in a nucelar age, there are many possibilities for future tragedy. Thus I predict future apocalyptic wars, revolutions and genocides will probably be inevitable before the establishment of the Great Work; the manifestation of world socialist revolution and the creation of economic heaven on earth, the 1000 year agricultural revolution, the creation of the New Jerusalem and "swords to ploughshares" etc. The Holy CIty will not fall down from Heaven; it will have to built by human will and it will have to be fought for and defended, and I suspect that rivers of blood shall be required to manifest it; radical human progress generally always requires the blood of martyrs and tyrants.

Lux

Hey, Lucifer777, can I ask you a question?

This area is something I have an interest in, but am only just starting to learn about - I therefore won't attempt to debate these issues or discuss topics I don't know too much about.

However, what I would like to know, on a much more simple level, is this.

Has this path you have chosen in life brought you happiness? I noticed that in a reply to a previous post, you pointed out that in Western societies, happiness is often closely associated with financial success and other superficial measures. I am totally in agreement with you on this. So can I therefore ask whether you are truly happy according to the criteria you use to determine such things?

The reason I ask, is that you have alluded to certain situations or practices which brought you quite close to the psychological brink. How safe is the path you have chosen?

I would appreciate your thoughts - I find your writing unusually insightful and engaging on a subject which can attract a lot of cranks.

(And are there any particular books or websites you would recommend for learning a little bit more about these topics?)

Originally posted by Millions
Has this path you have chosen in life brought you happiness?

There are no great secrets to happiness. All human beings seek economic security; to have sufficient food, shelter and technology; they also seek erotic happiness; to love and to be loved; to have friends and lovers. There is no secret of happiness which can be purchased from any religon; however it is probably a universal secret of happiness to avoid all forms of organised religion.

Generally the transcendentalists have proposed that happiness is some kind of lofty artifical spiritual state which is found by denying one's nature and in particular ones' erotic nature, and following the laws of various slave religions; in such a state they often feel superior to others who live in accordance with their nature and condemn them and often execute or punish them, if they can attain positions of power.

I generally not an unhappy person; I have been very fortunate and I do feel surrounded by love, but there is no magick trick to that; Seneca's "If you want to be love, love" applies to us all.

The reason I ask, is that you have alluded to certain situations or practices which brought you quite close to the psychological brink. How safe is the path you have chosen?

It is not "safe" at all; Crowley's method of entwining ritual magick (necromancy), sex magick, and narcotic and shamanic psychoactive useage can lead to total insanity and delusion ( See for example www.deathandhell.com... ); however I am grateful for a life of such experiences as they assist me in understanding religious schizophrenia and the phenomenon of religion in general. The human consciousnes is generally fascinated by the occult and it is a natural state; the exploration of the human consciousness through such methods can make a person psycholigically stronger or it can destroy them; even worse they can develop delusional messianic complexes and turn into cult leaders such as Shoku Asahara for example, who wanted to initiate nuclear Armageddon.

Originally posted by Millions
A very interesting and well written thread - thanks.

I'm not sure I agree with the premise that the forbidden fruit represents sex though - humans would have been having sex for generations.

I was not expressing my personal opinion, nor my own personal interpretation; it is a "translation" issue; it is widely understood by Hebrew scholars that to eat a forbidden fruit was a Hebrew sexual metaphor. The Genesis myth of the Garden of Eden is essentially a polemic against the sex cults of the era where sexual initiation, mystery teachings and government were entwined; the authors clearly believed that such cults were responsible for the fall of humankind from innocence into slavery. The author(s) of the Torah clearly despised Egyptian religion and the various sex cults of the era, so it is unsurprising that they would blame them for all the evils of the world.

Lux

You seem to be very selective in your replys Lucifer777.

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
You seem to be very selective in your replys Lucifer777.

it is because he is a troll. Trolls tend to do that.

Originally posted by vinay86

Androgynous Siva: His left Side is female and the right is male.
I liked your views about the unity of two sexes, and how religions Impose several restrictions upon humanity for attachment with the opposite sex. And I believe it is sometimes necessary for people to indulge in sex to experience wholeness like gods. But I think we can experience consciousness and unity, through other methods too, like through meditation and of-course for that to be successful, we have to throw out all of the religious and other indoctrinations from our brains and begin with a clean slate.
Through, Intense study of my own culture I came to the conclusion, which seems little bizarre, that we were androgynous beings in the beginning. People worship deities in India who have both male and female elements in them, and of-course religious indoctrinations which try to cover up the original facts that we were those beings have made us ignorant about it. You can find about the existence of such androgynous beings in many other ancient cultures.

Adam's Rib

There are of course homo sapiens who are born with both sexual organs and are true hermaphrodites, although it is very rare, but we must assume that this has occurred throughout history. Since we are discussing the Genesis myth, it seems that every single one of the approximately half a million eggs which every woman has in her ovaries are female; thus women do not come from men, but men come from women. It is only after fertilisation that about half the eggs have a sex change, and what was to be the clitorus transforms into the penis. We were once all female.

Most major religons appear to be paternalistic (male supremacist), apart from the most of the Neowiccan and Neopagan movement, where females seem to be in a more dominant role. The average Neopagan event I attend seems to be always 70% to 90% women. It seems to me that it is the female who is more in the image and likeness of a god; their image is much more suitable as an object of worship than a male. Even in the world of women's magazines, the modern image of a"beautiful" male is often of an androgynous feminine looking gay male.

We are all anyway partly androgynous, however the modern concept of beauty generally considers the extremely feminine woman and men to be the most beautiful, then the masculine looking woman, then the masculine looking males; it seems as if the modern world is coming to worship the sacred image of the feminine; this evolution of thinking is necessary to restore the world to the natural state prior to "The Fall," which occurred through the prevailence of paternalistic slave religions and slave societies, which have been a curse on womankind who have been disempowered and enslaved..

Originally posted by vinay86
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Like the mythical stories of Noahs Ark in christianity the same can be found in hinduism too:

Global Flood Legends and the Rings of Saturn. World's in Collision Revised.



Since the Genesis legend is partly the subject of this thread, I think it might be useful to discuss the flood.

There are numerous flood legends in many cultures throughout the world; and there are hundreds of locations of underwater architecture, including a possible underwater city off the coast of Cuba which is around 2,200 feet below sea level ( www.andrewcollins.com... ). If we removed 2,200 feet of water from the oceans, much more of ancient continent of Atlantis (i.e., the Mid Atlantic Ridge) would appear exactly where Plato said it would be. This begs the question of where all that water came from?

Our planet seems to have undergone many ice ages and catclysms; the rings of Saturn are very pretty, but they reveal a much more deadly and catastrophic truth about our solar system, since they are estimated to contain approximately 35 trillion, trillion tons of ice. The question of where the earth's oceans and polar ice caps oceans came from is really the same question as the question of how trillions of tons of ice became trapped in Saturn's orbit.

There are estimated to be around 300,000 impact craters on the Moon, often around a kilometer wide; whatever has been bombarding the Moon over the aeons has almost certainly also been bombarding the earth, which has a much stonger magnetic attraction than the Moon. The intense magentism of our heavenly guardians, Saturn and the outer planets, appear to form a protective barrier for solar ice storms and space debris coming in from the freezing temperatures of outer space; but they are not an infallible barrier, and our main heavenly guardian, Saturn, has a 40 year orbit around our sun, which means that it is not there to protect us from space debris coming from the opposite direction.

Our Garden of Eden was destroyed long ago, and it was not due to the wrath of God; it was simply a fact of Mother Nature, and in time, I have no doubt that it will happen again. Civilisations are only for a limited time.

Many of the myths of the Vedas of ancient war gods and their Vimanas (flying chariots) are probably pre-deluge (lit "to wash down"). There is an interesting web page on this on: www.world-mysteries.com...

The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century.

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war:

"...(the weapon was) a single projectile
charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor...

An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis
And the Andhakas.

... the corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

... After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
... to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment..."

It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books

www.world-mysteries.com...

Legends of ancient nuclear wars and flying machines don't seem to be considered to be credible by most historians, however it seems that our planet has constantly been subjected to periodic cataclysms which simply destroy almost all memory of what existed prior.

You told me about savitri devi on some other thread, I am reposting this from that thread, it pretty much sums up what I am trying to say:
Thanks for bringing to my attention about this Hindu-Nazi religious fanatic called "savitri Devi". Just by Judging from her Indian name and her foreign origins, it was clear to me that she was another agent of the same elite group, which had previously tried to malign our culture, by dividing people on the basis of caste system, race system etc. Her job in India was to ignite hatred amongst Hindus and Muslims. And she became successful in that.

There are good and evil forces in the world of esotericism. The New Age movement in general is not malevolent (harmful) but benevolent (for the benefit of humankind). Unfortunately there are the racists and paternalists. There is no master race; there are only human beings and we are all related and we all have a common ancestral mother, Mitochondrial Eve ( en.wikipedia.org... ). Personally I don't believe that we simply evolved, but that we were the product of ancient genetic engineering, and that the races of the world were the product of that; but we are all the same species and the most evolved of the species, in my opinion, is the product of miscegenation (the mixing of genes) between different races, not the inbred Aryans.

As an Indian and born in an Hindu family, I can tell you that their was no such thing as an Aryan race, in our culture. And there were no such gods like Ram, Krishna, Vishnu etc., in our original texts. People were peacefully worshiping animals and nature by taking care of them. And the basic belief system was nature is god, and we are nature. But then out of nowhere came Vedas, which are nothing but a series of long scriptures about caste system and similar beliefs, and basically preach how to divide people on the basis of nature of work people do and things like that. Hindu religious fanatics say that these Vedas were made by god himself and were present right from the beginning of life on earth.

Well of course ancient India was not a nation state but a collection of feudal kingdoms, but prior to the partition of Pakistan, the land that we refer to as India did have a border with Iran (Ancient Persia), and the word Iran simply means the "land of the Aryans." It is not so unsurprising that the mighty Persians would attempt to invade, colonise and enslave their immediate Indian neighbours. I have noticed the appearance of articles by Hindu apologists attempting to defend the Vedas from the charge of institutional racism and denying the colonisation of India by the Persians, but I do not find the arguments to be credible. Most of the Bollywood fims stars are of light skinned Persian appearance and would not be considered to have the appearance of foreigners, were they to walk down the streets of Tehran. Having travelled around India, it does seem to me that there are different races in India and that the people of the Punjab in North West India near the border with Iran generally are of more Aryan (Iranian / Persian) appearance than the population in the far south of the continent in Sri Lanka whose skin is generally darker; this is what we would expect to find if there had been a Persian invasion in the North West of the Indian continent.

These Vedas and other religious texts like Ramayana, Mahabharata etc., were made up after mixing the original and pure cultural beliefs with some malign beliefs, by the people who wanted to attain supremacy and control over people for their own selfish gains. The Idea of Aryan Race (Fair Complexion) and Dravidian race (Dark Complexion) also came from the same people to further divide people of Indian subcontinent. And the same people later established Arya Samaj(they say it is not a religion), which had its ties with the Theosophical Society, and I consider both of them as an secret society same as freemasonry.

Almost all Europeans had extremely racist views in the 19th century and considered themselves to be superior to other races; Blavatsky was far less racist than many of her contemporaries; indeed she was openly opposed to racist behaviour and attitudes.

The first aim of the Theosophical Society she founded is "To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour" and her writings are full of references emphasizing the unity of humanity: "all men have spiritually and physically the same origin" and that "mankind is essentially of one and the same essence."
....Research into the history of the Theosophical Society shows that these teachings did not induce attitudes of racism among its members and their activities. As an example, it can be pointed out that in the late 19th century India the Theosophical Society was the only place where Hindus of different castes would share meals and discussions. The same happened between white and black people in the Republic of South Africa during the apartheid.
en.wikipedia.org...

Blavatsky believed however that the Aryan race was a master race which was originally the Atlantean race and had arrived on earth some 18 million years ago. There is simply no evidence of Homo Sapiens 18 million years ago. We probably have not been here longer than 300,000 years, and our predecessors, the Homo Erectus probably not much more than 2 million years. So much for her "occult science." She was essentially a "medium" and claimed to have "received" much of her knowledge. She also claimed to have supernatural powers such as levitation and the materialisation of objects; this was typical of the fake psychics of her era. Having said all this, she is in many ways a "positive" mentor of the modern New Age movement.

Blavatsky's use of the swastika was long before the Nazis ever used it, and when it was simply a traditional Hindu symbol of the 4 elements revolving around, or emanating from a single element, which is the symbolic meaning of the modern pentagram in Neopaganism. I think that Blavatsky would have been shocked and outraged by the Nazis; she also she had a great love of the Indian people and of the positive aspects Indian spirituality; she also considered the Indians to be more "spiritual" than the materialistic Christian westerners. Despite her eccentricities and numerous criticisms I could make of her, I would consider her overall to be a progressive and feminist and influence on the 19th century.

With regards to the link between the Freemasons and the Theosophists, I would say that they were competing esoteric societies. The Theosophical Society still exists and they go out of their way to express anti-racist views; their headquarters is in Madras in India (see: www.ts-adyar.org... ). The theosophists are openly Luciferians and esotericists; whereas the Masonic deity is the God of Capitalism, which is probably most people's definition of a Capitalist Devil. Freemasons are primarily interested in the accumulation of Capital; I doubt if anyone would become associated with the Theosophists for economic reasons; they are essentially socialists, humanitarians and spiritualists.

The Kalki avatar, is the next reincarnation of god Vishnu whose previous reincarnations were fake gods Ram, Krishna etc. who appeared supposedly in different yuga cycles and purged earth from evil. And the Kalki Avatar has been prophesied to appear in the present yuga which is kaliyuga, and he will also cleanse the earth from evil. But nobody talks about who made it dirty in the first place or who spread-ed evil. Their are no such gods and their incarnations, and their are no yuga cycles which end with apocalypse and then start over.

Above: the Korean Second Coming of Christ: Sun Myung Moon; the multi-billionarie anti-Communist arm's manufacturer who predicts Armageddon and the destruction of America "by fire" for failing to accept him as Christ. He also believes that the Koreans are the "chosen people" and the master race.

The "problem" is not that Kalki or Jesus will miraculously appear; this will not happen; the problem is that there are numerous Messianic cults in the world; any person who invoked (personified) such Messianic propheces would have to be genocidally insane; however there is unfortunately no shortage of such persons, and almost anyone with sufficient funds could start a nuclear war anonymously to attempt to self fulfill such prophecies; nuclear weapons unfortunately leave no fingerprints or cules to their owners identity. This is is the problem with having rather wealthy Messianic cults like the Moon cult, the Aum cult, the Freemasons and a host of others.

"Religious Freedom" to a socialist simply means freedom of thought, freedom of metaphysical belief; but religious freedom to a Capitalist means the freedom to start religious businesses and prey on the vulnerable, and in a nuclear age, the dangers of apocalyptic Messianic religions should be obvious.

All religions were created by malevolent secret societies and other occult organizations, spread across the globe. And the purpose of religion is nothing but divide, conquer and exploit people. And unless the secret societies like freemasonry are wiped from the face of the earth, their can never be happiness and freedoms.

I am hoping that this madness will end soon, and humanity would be finally free from enslavement.

The legend of "The Fall" essentially makes this point that the enslavement of humankind is due to esoteric mystery cults. However the solution to this, proposed by the authors of the text which was the Mosaic laws and Mosaic Judaism, which was a primitive blood sacrifice cult, which also legalised slavery and demanded execution for numerous silly offences (or non offences really) and is no solution at all, though it may have been perceived that way by the authors of the text. It is just another primitive Bronze Age religion.

In terms of eradicating Freemasonry, in common with other Capitalist gangs such as the Italian and Russian Mafia, the Triads and the Yakuza, I doubt that they can be eradicated without the eradication of Capitalism. The only solution is World Socialist revolution and the eradication of all forms of organised religion; which of course is the Communist agenda.

Lux

Originally posted by Tamahu

reply to post by Lucifer777

 

In terms of the Gnostic Teachings, Aleister Crowley was a "prophet" (or soothsayer rather) of the "Aeon" of the Black Lodge which is the "Aeon" of Heru getting defeated by Set, which unfortunately is happening to many souls right now.


Whereas Samael Aun Weor is the Avatar of the Age of Aquarius, the New Age where we sentient beings with humanoid bodies have the opportunity to develop our Will-Power (Thelema), by Transmuting our sexual energy (which we have in the past polarized negatively due to our fornication) into positive Light and Fire (Luci-Fer) and by Raising the Seven (Kundalini) Serpents of Fire, and the Seven Serpents of Light, by studying and practicing the Science of Daath which is White Tantra (Sexual Magic).

I think that the problem we have is essentially a "double speak" problem, where much of what I consider to be evil and malevolent (harmful), you define as goodness. Black magick or "malevolent spiritualism" to me seems to be "white magick" to you. My definition of freedom seems to be your definition of slavery and vice versa.

Samael Aun Weor essentially held that contraception, abortion, adultery and male and female homosexuality were all demonic; this is just the same nonsense as the "goodness" which is promoted by the Catholic church and is essentially "slave morality," which produces a slave who is afraid to follow their own natural free will and their natural desires out of fear of some deity who despises human nature This is just an extension of the human hating and human nature hating teachings of numerous other slave religions of the past aeons.

Reading Samael's writings I just find to be essentially spiritualist sophistry; some people seem to think that if they use the word "spiritual" and spiritual terms of lanaguge incessantly that it somehow makes them more "spiritual," and that if they use Kabbalistic terms that it somehow enlightens them. One could probably defend Catholicism using Kabbalsitic sophistry and the Catholics would be most delighted, just as the Othodox rabbis use Kabbalistic sophistry to defend their own primitive and savage faith.

Certainly I would agree that there is a great deal of "sexual degradation" in the world, but I would define this entirely differently to Samael; I would mostly refer to the institution of marriage, which for many women is enforced sex slavery, especially in the extremely religious Islamic and Hindu cultures; further there are aspects of the sex industry which I find to be hideous, particularly the enforced enslavement of women and child sex slavery.

Samael seems to have picked up on the Tantra revivialist movement and applied it to his otherwise rather Catholic thinking on sexual relationships and monogamy; however I am reluctant to consider this to be very progressive, but rather merely a modification of religious slave mentality.



On Polyamory (many lovers), the Sin of Monogamy and the "sins of restriction"

I should point out that I take the position that polyamory is the natural human state. This should not be confused with rampant promiscuity; there is absolutely nothing wrong with casual sex and it is entirely natural, but the international polyamory movement is not about rampant promiscuity; it is about having long time or even lifelong loving relationships with more than one person, and this I believe to be our natural state which would produce the New Heaven.

We are not merely creatures of lust but also of love, and especially the female of the species is incurably romantic; this is her nature; she wishes to be loved, desired and worshipped; we are all designed to be addicted to love; we are complex creatures of emotion. There is a great deal of difference between the kind of loving and erotic relationships in polyamorous communities such as the OSHO community and the goings on with sex slaves in a Turkish brothel; the former is a Tantric polyamorous, spiritualist community of consensal love; the later is an unspeakable abomination against exploited women and brute male savagery; it is essentially "rape" and sex slavery. A man or a woman who make a free will decision to take a person as a lover, whether temporarily or permanently, devoid of any economic motives is not a slave, but rather merely following their nature.

There is a tendency in New Religious Movements to syncretise numerous New Age philosophies and to combine them with aspects of the slave morality of the Old Aeon, and Samael is no different in this respect.

More on: www.polyamorysociety.org...
schooloftantra.net...

The Tao of White Tantra is how we (Heru, the Buddha Nature) defeat Set (our inner Satan), and Liberate our Inner-Lucifer in order for Lucifer to regain Lucifer's throne next to the Right Hand (Chokmah) of Christus-Lucifer.

This I find to be just New Age sophistry and spiritualist-babble. You may as well state that through Tantric sex, human beings can become more happy. Certainly considering our lovers to be gods and goddesses and sacred creatures, practicing Tantra and attempting to concentrate on the pleasure of another person, we can become more happy, more loved, more appreciated and "enlightened," but these are just essential Tantric concepts which Samael imported into his philosophy, but once this is combined with Samael's homophobia and monogamy, it becomes unnatural and corrupted by slave morality.

This is something that "Christian" fanatics know nothing about, because all they "know" is fornication and sexual repression.

Fornication is only a sin to a slavemaster, not to a slave, and monogamy "is" sexual repression, since the human mind is not naturally monogamous. The texts of our three major world religions (teh Bible, the koran and the Vedas) are all based upon polygamy (many wives / sex slaves) not upon polyamory (many lovers); in such religions a male could have as many sex slaves as he could purchase or capture in war. Fornication was essentially a sin that a slave could commit, or that a man could commit if he had sex with another man's property, or if he had homo-erotic relationships. A free person does not use such a term with regards to consensal sexual relationships between human beings; only a slave or a slave master indoctrinated by the slave morality of religion uses such terms. Polygamy and monogamy are simply the consequence of paternalism, where woman are indoctrinated not to follow their heart's desire and to become sex slaves and the domestic servants of one male, irrespective of their true will.

"Whosoever calls you Thelemites will not commit any injustice so long as he knows the word with perfection."

He borrowed the term from Corwley, but Samael's definition of universal human freedom and following one's true will is my definition of slavery; perhaps the Roman Catholics and Muslims will start referring to their slave religions as "Thelemic" also, to keep up with philosophical fashion and turn it's meaning on its head.

"That is the goal of his creation: to create Solar Men. But not all the monads want that; so therefore, the souls enter there and are disintegrated. That is why it is written that the day of the Lord will come as a thief when all the elements will burn with fervent heat. The earth and everything in it will be burned. The Lord is fire. People are waiting for Jesus Christ coming in the clouds, in heaven to save them--without realizing that Christ always comes every day in the clouds, shines every day, and gives life every day. He comes everyday. That is it--he is coming. When the Lord is coming? I tell you, tomorrow he will come, and next week he will come too—he is the Solar Light.

"But if you do not follow this doctrine of the transformation, the resurrection, through initiation, well, the Lord, the Solar Light, will descend through the nine spheres, and from there will destroy your ego, but you will not acquire anything; you will be a failure. And then you will ascend in another evolving cycle without being a master, without acquiring or being a transmitter of that light, just returning mechanically again. Mechanically going and going and going in the Wheel of Samsara."

This obsession with the fictional Jesus is just infuriating; the fictional Jesus is portrayed as a fake healer and fake miracle worker who promoted strict adherence to the primitive Bronze age laws of Moses. He was an archetypal primitive religious fanatic and the tribal deity god he revered and claimed to love was a genocidal human hating psychopath. Same old; same old.

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy etc.