Originally posted by unityemissions
Originally posted by soficrow
...Whatever it's called, the women's movement is important. Just because TPTB try and takeover everything and everyone that might lend them
credibility and power doesn't mean the movement has no merit at its core.
Well, I agree with this line of thought. I'm not at all okay with women not being given equal rights. They should be given the right to vote, and to
choose what they think is best for their lives....
Glad to hear it.
but I just don't think that's what's behind the "feminist" movement... at least not now.
Little in this world is "pure" - and what is becomes quickly contaminated. Doesn't change the core, or the sincerity of those who are truly trying.
The same players have used the same strategies for thousands of years to counteract every attempt every population has made to gain its freedom - the
Christian church, the party system and democracy, the labor movement, women's movement, every revolution and every movement that speaks to human
Please, be clear - it's not the women's movement per se
that you question; it's the contamination, manipulation and countermeasures imposed by
TPTB, masquerading as the genuine article.
...And as far as the "destabilization" strategy goes - you
and others like you are playing into the counterpoint, being manipulated right along
with the ones you're pointing at. Think about it. It serves TPTB's agenda VERY well to have people totally distracted with trivia, angry about nothing
- fighting with one another over what? sexual roles and orientation? race? who's on the lowest rung of the ladder versus the second lowest? ...and
while the fools quibble over the kibble, the Big Boyz go along their merry way raping communities of their water, countries of their oil and timber,
destroying the planet and the people on it
The problem is NOT with gender roles - the crisis is what's going on behind your back while you point fingers and bicker over crumbs.
We are in this together. We each have unique strengths and weaknesses, and something special to offer. TPTB do not want us to discover these truths,
so they set us at each other's throats over anything that can be manipulated to serve their purposes.
Fight the machine, not the men and women getting crushed under the wheels.
I'm still up for any good book suggestions you have that may help me to break through my current bonds of ignorance.
Read/scan all the posts made by thoughtsfull, irsuccubus and Illusionsaregrander - there's real gold there - then grab a few terms to Google. You'll
I don't doubt that in some past societies, the gender roles were meshed in.
There were jobs to be done, and ideally, whomever was best suited to the job at hand took responsibility. No muss, no fuss, no ego. And no
super-imposed notions of innate superiority or hierarchy.
The questions I have are: WHY, and WAS IT BEST?! Perhaps, given whatever circumstances existed, it was best at the time. Now a days... I just don't
Hierarchies exist because they're easy to manipulate, not
because they work. The whole leader-follower rap is just PR - a sound bite designed
to market a truly bad
You said earlier that you think women should be "given" [sic] the right to "choose what they think is best for their lives." …Just follow that
thought to ALL its implications and logical conclusions.
I'm saying it seems incredibly obvious that the AVERAGE male and female have certain inherent genetic propensities, and these are usually manifest as
the male best taking the role of provider and protector, and the female best taking the role as a compassionate nurturer.
"Oh, REALLY!" she bristled. "And where were YOU
…We're well past the time when the man had to protect his family from the monsters that came in the night. In any event, believe me, our
grandmothers knew how to protect themselves; then as now, the designated "protector" was not always there when he was needed. So women do
diverse survival skills and abilities - and always have had. The ones that didn't died before the bloodline got off the ground.
This notion of men being the provider and protector is relatively new, and imposed by the manipulators - designed to define mens' place
according to the current needs of "the economy" and corporate industry, keep men serving the corporate agenda (NOT to benefit their families or
themselves as individuals) - and diminish everyone in the process, male and female. …Real
men and women work together - always have, always
will. Which is a big problem for the corporate industrial economy.
Corporate industry needs employees to commit all
their energy, time, consciousness and lives solely to the "job." But if you spend all your
energy and productive time working, then someone else
has to prepare your food, do your laundry, clean your house, massage your back, help you
release your tension, and etc..
Kings, CEO's and VP's are well-paid for their "dedication" - they can afford servants, the best chefs and hookers, masseurs and personal trainers. The
profits are made on the backs of the workers. Technicians, managers, supervisors and laborers need servants too, but they'll never be paid enough to
hire them - even though the corporate industrial economy requires
the same time commitment from lower level employees as it does of the
What to do?
Enter the Provider Myth
and the "family man" - a truly ingenious marketing strategy - designed to justify exploitive live-in support
services for exploited male employees who aren't paid enough to purchase needed services retail. The way it's structured, the male, his wife, home and
family ALL support and serve the corporate industrial economy first, and boost the profit line big time. The guy marries his job; the wife supports
his job; the profits go to the corporation and everybody thinks it's "natural." Why? Because that's what they've been told.
The nuclear family, single family dwellings, stay-at-home-all-alone moms, dad the provider working for the machine - none of it's "natural." It's
downright absolutely and extremely unhealthy: isolationist, exploitive, abusive. And the Provider Myth
is pure bull puckey - but you
guys buy it hook line and sinker.
The so-called "natural" gender roles you're touting are un
naturally unmitigated crap. Those gender roles were conceptualized, designed,
marketed and forced
upon you to serve the needs of the corporate industrial economy. Nothing natural about it.
You've been played.
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Thank you all very very much for your informed and thoughtful posts. It is truly a pleasure to make your acquaintance.
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