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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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That is such an astute observation. Now why cant people make the next apparently huge and difficult mental leap that there is no one way to be feminine and masculine? Just like there is range of what human beings look like, from tall and white with a lot of hair to small and light brown with virtually no body hair, there is a range of physical expression. And there is a range of expression in personality within the genders too.

There is no one way to be feminine. If you are female, you are an example of femininity. One point on that continuum. Same for me.

I just dont see what is so difficult about that concept.

If some males like their women passive and subordinate, there is a person who is like that. But where do some of you people get off thinking that there is ONE set of behaviors that all females must adhere to? Or all males for that matter.


edit on 8-3-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by romanmel
Ever notice how many young men are opting to live single? Ever wonder why?

OK, here goes the opinion of a 64 year old man, who has been married to his lovely traditional lady (46 years) , who is also his best friend. Many young men I have worked with express dismay at the "ballsy" women they encounter in today's world. Their thoughts are that they would be sentencing themselves to a life of subjugation and servitude to just survive a marriage. They reason that they can have the sex without the hassle for the rest of their lives. Honestly, as I look about me today, I understand their reasoning.


I have been in three long term relationships since I was a teenager, in hopes of one day marrying the woman and having a family. I am middle-aged now, and it appears that my dream is not going to come true. I alway6s wanted to be a father, but I am not going to be a single-parent, and I am certainly not going to be a paycheck that sees my kid once a month.

Even in trying to date more traditionally raised, home and children oriented women I was duped. Their brains had been rotted by feminist ideology. My last girlfriend, when we first started out together, our ideals and values were spot on the same. By the end of it, a few years later, it had become completely clear that her only intention had been to use me for my seed in her own race against her biological clock. She had lied about everything, from her values, to her interests.

At least I didn't make the mistake of letting her move in with me. Made that mistake twice before. And once, I was kicked out of MY OWN place. That's right, my place, my lease, yet I was the one who was ordered to leave when the relationship went to hell. How's that for justice and equality? I couldn't even get my things and had to go live in a pickup truck. My only recourse was to sue her for the value of the items in the apartment. If I had receipts for everything of course. And of course, any receipts I did have, were in the apartment.

I have some stories I could tell folks.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by amazed
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So how come your not more subordinate if being subordinate is such a wonderful thing? Most men, following your theory, are very very very small minded then...



I have been the subordinate on many occasions. Haven't you ever held a job? I do what I am told and what is expected of me in the workplace, even if I think my boss is wrong, or making a poor choice. Even if I am "my own boss" I still have to listen to the will and desires of my investors, abide by the rules of commerce and law, etc.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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You dont need to tell us your sad stories. You know why? Because we all get it.

The one common denominator in all your relationships is you.

If you are middle aged, and not so grotesque that people run screaming from you, (which seems to be the case if you have been in relationships) and you want marriage and family, but dont have it, there is no one but you to blame.

You clearly have expectations that are unreasonable if even traditional women are too corrupted by feminism for you.

There are websites for semi-slave type marriages, hook up on one of those. I forget the name of it, but there is some group of men and women who are looking for total submission of the female to the male to a degree that is almost like a B and D thing. Sign up. But be clear that what you want is not mainstream. Its a kink, and you need to shop in the kink section if you hope to find it.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by irsuccubus
wow...Im gone for a while to...well...homeschool my kids, set up the garden fencing and cater a lunch and I come back to find a buttload of armchair psychologists, anthropologists, sex therapists and a bunch of other cluless responses that let me know that men just dont get it. Well...at least a lot of them dont, which is why the same core group of guys is getting laid while others skulk around looking at porn and philosophizing about how a real woman should be if they ever get their hands on one. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Still arguing about what femininity is and and still tying it into coquetry and social graces and other things that are TAUGHT and not inherently feminine. I notice how no one dares to take on strong nurturers. Women like me who do all that stuff that women are "supposed" to do like tend home and hearth and husband but still like to pound shots, fire weapons and yes....my tattoo sleeves are AWESOME. Is this shameless self promotion? Of sorts. Mainly because like in the cases with children...men who have the most to say about how women should be DON'T HAVE ONE. And yet they still dont see how their attitude and empty bed tie together.

I constantly see trashy chicks, welfare queens and single moms lumped together. That a single mom might be better of without the jackass who knocked her up doesnt even seem to register. That she could be financially sound as well as mentally capable doesnt register. That there have been plenty of upstanding, innovative and creative people who come from single parent homes doesnt seem to register. And for the clueless folks who think that men cannot gain custody of children....gotta call bull# on that because my brother in law gained custody of his son no problem and yes he gets child support. I know several mothers who pay child support for children living outside the home. Nowadays they do whats best for the child and thats not always the mother. Its time men got down off that cross, used the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER IT.

And all this talk of asian women and how they are far more "with it" in regards to how women should be....you do realize that their men have to meet certain unspoken requirements in regards to income and earning potential. That those docile little cuties will get downright frosty in the face of an unworthy male. Or did you not think that you would have to bring something to the table as well? That being docile equates to being desperate or grateful for whatever you can get? I recently watched a documentary about how in China the generation of only children is now beginning to have families of their own. And the women work too! Even the ones with children. There are elite daycare and birthing centers all over asia for upwardly mobile moms and just because your girlfriend is too polite to tell you that your job and bank account make a difference doesnt mean she's not thinking it.

And therein lies the irony. You think women around the world dont think like western ones? They do...they have just been taught to let the men keep face. Its not about them being better....its about them being conditioned to not make waves. Trust that there are plenty of opinions and views simmering beneath veils and burkas and in the minds of other women even as they sit with their hands folded neatly and lips pressed together. Try observing them when they are around nothing but their own kind and see if its the same. Funny.......men are still falling for that ole gag, bwahahahahaha!



The divorce rate is through the roof, why because of arrogance from both sides and that's just one part. Another reason is abuse from an early age, another is from spousal abuse. Another is money.
And children not having both healthy male and female upbringing can be another cause, not always but it still is one of the causes.
There's a lot more selfishness today than there has ever been and just has progressively gotten worse over the last 40 years.
These days it's easier to just divorce and so common that there is no shame in it. Than again if it is a severely abusive marriage it is better to separate and divorce if it is impossible to re-conciliate.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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It's because the women you're talking about have no place in today's society.

Women want those top executive jobs like the men? They need to act EXACTLY the same. This generaly means having no morals whatsoever. The ability to instantly put profits instead of people or enviroment.


kind, gentle, and loving women get walked all over, leeched off by "users" (not in the drug sense) and taken for fools.


Ontop of that- kids are being bought up with the help of their idol singers and TV stars witha firm belief that "Bitches are only good for 3 things. #ing, Cooking and Cleaning" - And their whole attitude towards women is based on this assumption.


The kind of women that you miss - Simply just cannot survive society in this day and age without beign eaten alive.


No girls grow up wanting to be the nice woman anymore. They want to be the pop star singer in skimpy clothing swinging around the pole to get the attention of the men.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by hp1229

Likewise here as well. Its how you treat a woman. Most of what I know is old fashioned but it works.


The women I know who are stable-minded and truly happy, have rejected the feminist agenda to live a happy and fulfilling life with a strong male. A man who is a strong leader, and the family's chief need not be a despot but he does have to rule.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by unityemissions
 


That is such an astute observation. Now why cant people make the next apparently huge and difficult mental leap that there is no one way to be feminine and masculine? Just like there is range of what human beings look like, from tall and white with a lot of hair to small and light brown with virtually no body hair, there is a range of physical expression. And there is a range of expression in personality within the genders too.

There is no one way to be feminine. If you are female, you are an example of femininity. One point on that continuum. Same for me.

I just dont see what is so difficult about that concept.


I take it this was meant for someone else rather than myself. When we speak of masculinity and femininity, it seems best to understand that these are generalizations and ideals. I think it's very, very obvious that the majority should fit into their culturally applicable role as whatever sex they have been born to.

Sure you can have some effeminate guys in society or some macho women. You can have some gays and some lesbos, some power hungry females and docile jerk off males, but more than a sprinkling of each and every variety puts pressures on societies that don't seem beneficial or sustainable.

Personally, I'm a bit effeminate and masculine just depending on my mood. In my ideal relationship each would switch off with being dominate and submissive as is best.

I simply think it foolish and detrimental for our species to have women trying to do everything just to prove their selves as equal or superior or whatever. It's short sided and stupid.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
I think it's very, very obvious that the majority should fit into their culturally applicable role as whatever sex they have been born to.



And cultures are static and unchanging?

And if they are NOT static and unchanging, what makes you think acceptable behavior for genders would be? And again, part of the problem with all the arguments going are that no one looks at what femininity was before the imposition of a very misogynistic religion upon women.

Because if you DO, you find that the way modern women are behaving, a tad aggressive and brash and not a til death do us part form of monogamy is very much how women were behaving BEFORE Christianity went storming around the globe. Woman are returning to their natural femininity, not deviating from it. The Christian period was the deviation from nature.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Viking9019
Feminism has gone too far and thats the truth whether people like it or not!
It seems now that feminists are out to get superiority instead of equality(which i'm all for) and its all selfish.



Feminist Statistics

The method that feminists use to conduct their "studies" is based around the collection of information supplied by law enforcement agencies, which is ineffective and unreliable for the following reasons;

1. The underlying theory of the Violence Against Women Act seems to be derived from the belief that certain acts of violence are gender-specific, and based on this, the course of action taken by the Law Enforcement Officers should be influenced by the sex of the offender and perpetrator. In other words, if there's an act that is claimed to cause a greater amount of distress to women than men (even if it is imagined and illogical), then it can be perceived as a form of violence that is gender-specific.

Such a declaration can be misleading, as the feminists have defined the concept of *sexism* as being so broad, that it can include any act that is applied to the sexes in the exact same manner, but if the women interpret it from an alternative perspective to the men, then it's a form of *Sex-Discrimination*. E.E.O.C. v. National Education Association

In other words, verbal acts that do not consist of any physiological contact (IE. shouting, menacing stares, and baseless threats) can be considered as *Gender-Specific* as women tend to claim that they will have a greater affect on a woman than they would on a man. Therefore, under the Violence Against Women Act, a woman can be classified as a victim of *Domestic Violence*, merely if her husband raises his voice at her, but if she performs the exact same deed against him, then her actions cannot be used as the source of an arrest.

2. The Violence Against Women Act has enforced a stipulation that allows the Law Enforcement Officers to use a woman's claim of being *fearful* of an attack from her male spouse as justification to intervene and evict him from the household.


In other words, even if the man is the victim of a violent assault, with clear and visible injury, HE will be removed from the household of the woman claims she is "fearful" of him.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Haha. Okay I'll give a detailed response later. Sorry I'm driving around on the 4g and iPad for the next couple of hours.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
You know what I like? You cant call Jews fat ugly lazy nasty bulldogs or the dregs of humanity. You cant say that about blacks. Or really, anyone on ATS but women and get away with it.

Only when you are being a misogynist can you really just stop even pretending to care about making a valid argument and just vent your sick hatred with such vigor and lack or concern for any consequences.






No one said anyhing about women being the dregs of humanity. Someone above merely said that AMERICAN women were the dregs among women.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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much of what is touted here hinges on the ideas of family structure and the sanctity of marriage and a woman's place within all that. Newsflash....humans are socially and sexually monogamous.....but not biologically. Which means that societies conditioning has us believing that certain things "should be" while others shouldn't. That being said...one can't really say that women are naturally under the umbrella of family life and traditional roles just as one cant say that only a man and a woman should pair up. Humans have a strong desire to bond and we are loaded with more paternal feeling than our primate cousins but those bonds can come in many forms and yes those forms include single parents, polyamorous relationships, same sex relationships. Claiming a woman and slapping a ring on her seems to be more for peace of mind (knowing you now have a government sanction to be the only one to tap tat) rather than natural instinct. And if thats the case...the foundation of some of these arguments begins to crumble.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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You obviously did not completely read my post. The problems in those relationships was not me, it was deceptive women. Not only were they deceptive toward me, but they were practicing self-deception, having been victimized by the feminist agenda. It was my choice to leave them, rather than try to break the hold over them. Their path to self-destruction is something I want no part of.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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That doesn't seem entirely fair to blame him for not finding a woman. How many women have said the same thing? "I can't find a good man". Maybe our society has become to complacent on having purpose. Take for instance the whole premise of "Sex in the City". Basically a setup about a few nutter women that try and be in control of anything and complain about men. Its not uncommon in reality. Granted, he could be part of the problem, I'm sure even he may agree his standards are too high for reality's sake, but think about the whole scope of the feminine vs masculine. Clear lines are no longer clear, and men no longer feel as if they have worth if the women want to take all that we can do away from us. One of the reasons my wife (and every other woman that wanted me) desired me, was because I could do and did what wasn't common to see a woman doing, thusly a "masculine" lifestyle and career. My value was determined to be "manly", and thusly desireable as a provider and protector for a family.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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r u crazy or just need drugs...........? oh yea that is craaaaaaaz.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by irsuccubus
much of what is touted here hinges on the ideas of family structure and the sanctity of marriage and a woman's place within all that. Newsflash....humans are socially and sexually monogamous.....but not biologically. Which means that societies conditioning has us believing that certain things "should be" while others shouldn't. That being said...one can't really say that women are naturally under the umbrella of family life and traditional roles just as one cant say that only a man and a woman should pair up. Humans have a strong desire to bond and we are loaded with more paternal feeling than our primate cousins but those bonds can come in many forms and yes those forms include single parents, polyamorous relationships, same sex relationships. Claiming a woman and slapping a ring on her seems to be more for peace of mind (knowing you now have a government sanction to be the only one to tap tat) rather than natural instinct. And if thats the case...the foundation of some of these arguments begins to crumble.


this is an educated view point.
I appreciate that.........human species is made up of all kinds. respect for each other no matter the gender is the key. However if you are the gender in power i say.........keep it that way.........right? one only views the way things are as messed up if you are losing that power.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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for the women who cant find a man...usually the blame rests with them too. You attract what you are...not what you want. Good ole Law of Attraction. Instead of appreciating what you have drawn in...many people pick it apart and decide its not what they want because (insert shallow, self serving reason). Perhaps if a person can learn from a situation...take a bit of personal responsibility and stop blaming others for the downfall of relationships...next time they might fare better. People who have repeated bad relationships do so because their head is too far up their own butt to see that the main changes need to come from within, not without. Most of the women I see who complain about a lack of good men wouldnt know a good one if he jumped on their back and the same can be said for some of the men. Not only that but they themselves are not worthy of such unions because they want more than they are themselves bringing to the table.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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That is such an astute observation. Now why cant people make the next apparently huge and difficult mental leap that there is no one way to be feminine and masculine? Just like there is range of what human beings look like, from tall and white with a lot of hair to small and light brown with virtually no body hair, there is a range of physical expression. And there is a range of expression in personality within the genders too.

There is no one way to be feminine. If you are female, you are an example of femininity. One point on that continuum. Same for me.

I just dont see what is so difficult about that concept.

If some males like their women passive and subordinate, there is a person who is like that. But where do some of you people get off thinking that there is ONE set of behaviors that all females must adhere to? Or all males for that matter.


edit on 8-3-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)


Well said. As the years have gone by I have found myself more aware of stereotypes and the harm they can cause. Humans often have this desire to stick everything in a file labeled "thats the way it should be." Well that is a recipe for misery for anyone who does not fit into file. People are like gems with a million facets, each unique, each reflecting the light in a different way, changing in ways that cannot be anticipated. Embrace the differences, recognize that different does not =wrong.



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