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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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I'm amazed at how the point of this thread is completely overlooked by the religious zealots who feel it's their duty to defend christianity.




posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Why would any intelligent being (humans included) be interested in humanity's clearly false an contrived religions?



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by warbird03
I'm amazed at how the point of this thread is completely overlooked by the religious zealots who feel it's their duty to defend christianity.


Just means more fun for us Marklars.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Greys are demons - why witness to them?


Maybe to them, we're the demons.
They could be so much more spiritually advanced compared to us, considering if they've conquered space, they probably know more.
They're the aliens to us. We're the aliens to them.
Maybe we should be asking them what the truth is?

Poor Jesus/Bob
crucified so senselessly.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Its people like you that are wrong with Religion. You seriously start a thread talking about how you can distort already distorted truth to trick another being into believing something you yourself say seems spurious.

Sometimes I really wish I believed in Hell just so it could be populated by ignorant closed minded people such as you.

Believe as I believe? Or what!



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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I don't think Christianity can apply to aliens; religion is a human creation and experience. Might as well go preaching to a dolphin about how they will go to hell for having sex for pleasure.

But to address the obvious point of this thread (being a sarcastic commentary on Christian conversion), I think any Christian who does anything besides "spreading the word" orally to their neighbor, is going too far.

I don't think anywhere in the bible is it said that followers of Jesus have to go and "torment" the gentiles (non-believers) into believing- Hell, the Jewish faith at the time excluded gentiles completely from conversion. You were either born into Judaism, or you weren't.

Any Christian who uses means other than simply telling or showing someone the message of Jesus has gone to far and distorted one of the most important beliefs of Christianity: Faith is about you and your own relationship with Jesus/God. It is up to YOU to accept Jesus and ask for forgiveness on YOUR OWN. You would honestly have to have little to no religious knowledge and minimal intelligence to force someone into accepting Jesus.

So you see, people going around "forcing" people to convert are just idiotic hypocrites who are further from the way of Jesus than Charlie Sheen is from his sanity.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Problem (3) Jesus was an alien.

I can see the scenario now...

Alien #1 turns to his buddy and whispers. "#! They know Zubforg. Remember that crazy nut told us he found this place about a million years ago and they thought he was some kinda God or something?!"

Alien #2 whispers back..."Watch me screw with their heads".

"uh, that's right. I am your savior...All hail ME!" *giggles to himself*

Alien #1 *Giggling hysterically* "Stop it! I'm gonna pee!



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Monts
I don't think Christianity can apply to aliens; religion is a human creation and experience. Might as well go preaching to a dolphin about how they will go to hell for having sex for pleasure.

But to address the obvious point of this thread (being a sarcastic commentary on Christian conversion), I think any Christian who does anything besides "spreading the word" orally to their neighbor, is going too far.

I don't think anywhere in the bible is it said that followers of Jesus have to go and "torment" the gentiles (non-believers) into believing- Hell, the Jewish faith at the time excluded gentiles completely from conversion. You were either born into Judaism, or you weren't.

Any Christian who uses means other than simply telling or showing someone the message of Jesus has gone to far and distorted one of the most important beliefs of Christianity: Faith is about you and your own relationship with Jesus/God. It is up to YOU to accept Jesus and ask for forgiveness on YOUR OWN. You would honestly have to have little to no religious knowledge and minimal intelligence to force someone into accepting Jesus.

So you see, people going around "forcing" people to convert are just idiotic hypocrites who are further from the way of Jesus than Charlie Sheen is from his sanity.


Obviously, you know nothing about your own religion; nothing about its history.
If you knew anything about it you would know that Christianity (and all religions) is as big as it is today based on the killing and torturing and suffering of million of people. If it wasn't because of that atrocity, Christianity wouldn't be the religion it is today. So, based on what you just said, you should renounce your religion, and all other for that matter.
You might call yourself a good christian because you don't do any of that stuff, but you, and all Christians, fail to see that Christianity was made up and imposed on people, and that makes the religion false and all its content.
Imagine me making up a story, paying people to spread it as truth. After 20 or 30 years thousands of people believe it as a real event, thanks to all the money I spent advertising it. Does it make it true/real? Of course not!!

By the way, the OP was just being sarcastic, but most people, so far, overlooked that and went right in to defend their religion.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Well, it really does depend on which alien you attempt to indoctrinate.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Being both elderly and reclusive, my information could be somewhat outdated.

But I distinctly remember the SF movies and books from my youth, where the males amongst aliens, bug-eyed monsters and other non-human species ALWAYS had a craving for scantily dressed, broad-hipped, mammarily over-equipped human females.

And in those days this craving was not for anything as sophisticated as clinical genetic experiments. The standard method was still in vogue then (though the details were never shown or explained because christian 'values' of censorship ruled back then).

So this is a conversion option sofar forgotten in this context. A light, but holy, brigade, who soon will have any aliens eating consecrated wafers out of their hands.

Recruiting shouldn't be a problem. In extremist christian circles women are half property anyway, doing what the patriarchs tell them, and I'm sure, there must be many devoted christian ladies, who will do anything to spread christianity to the whole universe.

To my knowledge the method has functioned in US. So who knows...



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by thegrayone
Obviously, you know nothing about your own religion; nothing about its history.
If you knew anything about it you would know that Christianity (and all religions) is as big as it is today based on the killing and torturing and suffering of million of people. If it wasn't because of that atrocity, Christianity wouldn't be the religion it is today. So, based on what you just said, you should renounce your religion, and all other for that matter.
You might call yourself a good christian because you don't do any of that stuff, but you, and all Christians, fail to see that Christianity was made up and imposed on people, and that makes the religion false and all its content.


First of all.... when did I say I was a Christian?

I dare you to waste dozens of hours of your life to find a single post on my entire history of ATS claiming that I am a Christian.

Secondly, what does murder and atrocity have to do with faith?
Religion is about Faith in God- not about killing people. People use their religion as an excuse to exercise force on people they see as a threat to their belief systems.

And seeing as you are the self-imposed "expert" on Christian history, why don't you enlighten me on it using facts backed up by reliable sources.

If you take a look at the world today... where are Christians found as a majority?
- Europe and the Americas/Australia, which were colonized by the Europeans.

Seeing as how Christianity spread throughout Europe over a thousand years ago... it seems to me that if Christians have been "imposing their beliefs" on others through force, they sure haven't done a very good job, seeing as how the VAST majority of Christians are in countries of European origin.

You are saying that I should renounce my religion (which consequently, is actually NOT my religion), based on the fact that I said Christians who are forcing other non-Christians to convert aren't real Christians.

I really don't understand how this makes sense- using the same logical method, if you are American and believe in the rights given to you by the constitution, then you should leave your country because people are in your country are trying to force that same belief system on other people in different countries.

Why should someone leave their religion because of what other people have done in the name of it?
I guess so, because according to you, all of Jesus' teachings (which have been followed by GOOD people for thousands of years, have been the source of inspiration for people like Ghandi, and have been the source of charity resulting in the improvement of quality of life for countless millions of people around the world) are false because some people who claim to follow them aren't actually following them.

Does the bible not speak of "false-prophets" and others who will deliberately lead believers into sin by promising them salvation in ways not prescribed by God and Jesus?



Imagine me making up a story, paying people to spread it as truth. After 20 or 30 years thousands of people believe it as a real event, thanks to all the money I spent advertising it. Does it make it true/real? Of course not!!


Tell me this then, young padawan.

If you make up a story that says that you must kill other people in order to be saved and have everlasting life, are people going to follow it? And if they do follow it, is it going to fulfill their lives by bringing meaning, purpose, direction, and believable answers to the questions we have always asked- "why are we here? What is the point of life?"

That would be a waste of money, and you would find no success.

Try making up a story about compassion, loving other people, turning the other cheek and giving up your riches and material wealth in order to live a humble life dedicated to the service of others. Do you think people will like this story? Will it make sense to them? Will their questions and lives be fulfilled and consequently gain meaning and direction?

I think that this story would be one people would follow, and you would have success with.

So then say people start following this story to the bear bone- turning the other cheek and showing nothing but love for their neighbor.

Would the world not be a perfect place- and even if the story is not true, would it be such a bad thing to live in a peaceful world where there was no division, hate, gluttony or fear?

Jesus wasn't trying to start a religion- he was trying to show the people a way of life- THE way of life to bring happiness to the world.

Maybe if you would spend a little time reading what Jesus said instead of spouting off hateful messages you learned from other people, you would be able to live a more happy and rewarding life- and isn't that what life is really about?


By the way, the OP was just being sarcastic, but most people, so far, overlooked that and went right in to defend their religion.


I don't know if you directed this at me, but if you re-read my post, you would notice that I said the real point of this thread was sarcasm, and then answered specifically to the sarcasm.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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settle down now. Monts seemed to be making a valid point about the nature of Evangelizing and its relationship to Christianity. Monts does not profess to be a Christian either, and in fact recognizes the "sarcastic" nature of the OP.
his/her comment is more on topic then yours...

your dislike of dogmatic religions is loud and clear, but the ire, in this case, is misplaced. save it for another thread.


Edit to add: seems Monts can take care of him/her self
edit on 7-3-2011 by mythos because: tid bit



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
Problem (3) Jesus was an alien
It's a controversial theory but if it turns out to be true the you are in a whole world of trouble, to you he's jesus the saviour of mankind but to the aliens he may just be Bob, the guy that went out for a pack of smokes 2000 years ago and hasn't been seen since and the alien isn't going to like the fact that someone nailed his friend to a tree for after he went around healing the sick and curing lepers

Solution (3) Convince him that Jesus actually survived being nailed to a cross.
Ok it's going to be a long shot i'm afraid and the chances of you getting out of this one without third degree laser burns are slim, but your one chance is to convince Mr or Mrs alien that the whole crucifixion idea was actually Bob's plan from the very start and that rather then a horrible pointless death Jesus (Bob) was actually staging the worlds most impressive magic trick by dying and then coming back to life a little bit later and ascending into heaven to the amazed applause of the gathered crowd, a trick that even Pen and Teller have failed to recreate to date.




Oh how I laughed. Thats golden!!

You just made a sick man (flu) laugh! S&F just for that.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Guys, seriously... I'm gonna marklar myself! lol



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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If a race of aliens is mind centered they will have no interest in any earth religion. Ours are emotion based. Everything about them appeals to our emotional natures. Those who are mentally centered already know that looking beyond the religion reveals the goal in it's higher sense. When this is done we are able to omit so much. Imagine understanding parables in the first place and thus not needing them as instructionals. What happens then is that we understand religion so well that they, themselves, are no longer necessary. We find that we are able to connect directly and bring the mind of man to the paths of God.

If the grays are an advanced race of humanoids they certainly must do this already and would thus have no need of retreating to the emotional ways of earth. What I am trying to say is simply that earth religions are designed for the minds of man with all of their quirks and imperfections. This is why, in my opinion, that on other worlds methods (if they are far advanced to us mentally, such as we think the Grays might be) of connecting to the same God would perhaps be nothing like our own but much more efficient and effective. For one thing there would be no clergy or cast of revered persons such as we have, and no book of instructions as we know it.

If my summation is correct then any attempts to witness to these people would be met with kindness and patience. They would understand us and remember, when so long ago in their own ancient histories, they too had similarly structured practices.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by bogomil
Being both elderly and reclusive, my information could be somewhat outdated.

But I distinctly remember the SF movies and books from my youth, where the males amongst aliens, bug-eyed monsters and other non-human species ALWAYS had a craving for scantily dressed, broad-hipped, mammarily over-equipped human females.

And in those days this craving was not for anything as sophisticated as clinical genetic experiments. The standard method was still in vogue then (though the details were never shown or explained because christian 'values' of censorship ruled back then).

So this is a conversion option sofar forgotten in this context. A light, but holy, brigade, who soon will have any aliens eating consecrated wafers out of their hands.

Recruiting shouldn't be a problem. In extremist christian circles women are half property anyway, doing what the patriarchs tell them, and I'm sure, there must be many devoted christian ladies, who will do anything to spread christianity to the whole universe.

To my knowledge the method has functioned in US. So who knows...



That's right. Back in '54 I sent away for and built an interocitor. When I plugged it in I found it was an alien television where all the programing was porn. Dang! All that work for nothing. I mean, who wants to see a large green insect babe disrobing? I watched anyway but when it got to the part where she ate her male companion I decided right then that aliens are a great waste of time.
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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Thank you very much for one of the best threads I've read

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Nice thread dave
I love it.
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