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Westboro attorney: Obama is 'The Beast' from Revelation

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by youngdank
I have an idea. How about we all just start ignoring westboro and what they say. All they are is a bunch of Christian radicals that spew pointless hate speech. They are the reason why there is so much conflict between religions.
S+F


Perhaps satanic radicals posing as "christians" might be a better description of this reprehensible group of people. I have known a number of fanatical God-fearing believers in my lifetime and had to distance myself, but never did they exhibit any hatred. Satan likes to divide, conquer and destroy, does he not? Just another perspective, IMO.




posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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The Office of Pontifex Maximus was transferred in the 4th century from the Emperor to the Bishop of Rome.

This office has never went anywhere. From the time the Byzantine Duchy of Rome collapsed to become the Status Pontificius to the crowning of Charlemagne as Augustus Romanorum, the office of Pontifex Maximus has been held.

The Holy Roman Empire was a product of the office and the Pontifex Maximus survived beyond its collapse at the hand of Napoleon. Napoleon tried to destroy the Status Pontificus but failed as they were restored in 1814. This was reduced in 1870 when Italy declared war on the Papacy. The Lateran Treaty of 1929 is the basis of the modern borders of the state.

In other words its still here.

To answer the issue of Constantinople, in the 8th century the Papacy no longer recognized the Byzantine Emperor as "Emperor of the Romans", instead they were considered "Emperor of the Greeks".

In 1054, Rome responded to the Byzantine patriarch Michael's attempts to usurp the primacy of the Papacy by sending Papal Legates who issued an excommunication of the Byzantine church.

In 1439, just 14 years before the fall of Constantinople, at the Council of Basel and Florence the Byzantine Emperor John VIII Palaiologos and the Patriarch of Constantinople Joseph II recognized the primacy of the Papacy. The Byzantine people and Russia refused to accept this though and Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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It didn't flourish. It was under siege 16 times from the 7th century to its fall to the Turks in 1453.

One nation? Magog. Practically every nation in Ezekiel 38, except Persia, Phut, and Cush, is a European Caucasian nation. Are you familiar with the table of nations and the sons of Japeth?

The Turks, again came from outside the Middle East and migrated there. They are not Semites. From your link:

These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks.


You realize that is Siberia? Lake Baikal is north of Mongolia. The Altai range is in eastern Mongolia, Belukha Mountain of the Altai is one of the highest mountains in Siberia. Guess whats at the northern edge of the Gobi desert? The Altai mountains.

If you have issues with the Turkish homeland I can refer you to my geography professor.


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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Although this poor lady's mouth is about to swallow her head. I believe her heart is in the right place. I'm pretty sure she's completely misguided. I'm a believer, but redundancy has never set well with me. Does every president have to be called the antichrist? She'll be alright though.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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it doesnt make sense?

i would believe that the antichrist will be a muslim or the mahdi, but as far as i know there are no secret societies associated with islam, not only that but symbolism is not allowed in islam. and not only that but the islamic antichrist aka the dajjal is one eyed, and he fit the role of the antichrist perfectly.

they said that the antichrist will be a great leader, he will claim to be a prophet, then he will claim to be god. IF the so called mahdi claims to be GOD then simply he is not the mahdi.

I am convinced that the bible has been modified since the death of jesus, its been modified by the romans and jews to suit their own evil agendas. associating christianity with paganism.

I am also convinced, that through out time, and as muhammed started islam and his hadiths regarding the mahdi were published, the bible was changed to fit in the sense that the mahdi is the antichrist. the idea is to create confusion for one reason, satan is hell bound and he will do anything to drag as many people with him as possible. thats the whole point.

the antichrist which is described in the bible is in fact the awaited mahdi, however i honestly believe that the mahdi will come to help the oppressed. it just makes more sense to me. the elites are not muslim, they zionists. they even oppressed the true jews who stood against them. and the mahdi will stand by the true jews.

the one eyed dajjal will come after a war has broken out between the muslims and christians after an agreement is broken. the dajjal will come towards the end of the war, he will have food and water, he will bring hell and heaven with him, in reality his hell will be heaven, and his heaven will be hell. so dont let him fool you. he will preform false miracles. he cannot see from his right eye. in the passion of the christ at the end of the film we see jesus with one eye.

to sum up,

there is no doubt that the bible is written in a way to lead you to believe that the mahdi is the antichrist, and theres nothing wrong with that because it must happen.

i truly believe that the true antichrist is the dajjal, one eyed, people from all religions will follow him as the world is in chaos. even some of the followers of the mahdi will stop fighting and follow him. the jews for the first time will claim that their messiah has arrived. they say if you hear of the dajjal then run away, because its hard to resist him.

apparently he will make an army, and the islamic empire under the mahdi will start to shrink. the mahdi and his followers will be encircled in jerusalem. when the dajjals forces arrive. the real jesus will descend from the heavens. he will pray with the mahdi and he will kill the dajjal. the jews will go crazy.

the dajjal will only rule for something like 40 days. very interesting.

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some info on the mahdi

he will first appear in mekkah
he will fight the sufyani
he will set peace and equality for all people of earth
he will sign peace treaty with romans and jews
the romans will break the agreement after 3 years
the other 3 years will be war
dajjal arrives and travels so fast around the world in only 40 days
mahdi and forces encirlced in jerusalem
jesus arrives and kills dajjal

for more info you can google "imam mahdi" "dajjal" "sufyani"



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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they said that the antichrist will be a great leader, he will claim to be a prophet, then he will claim to be god. IF the so called mahdi claims to be GOD then simply he is not the mahdi.


Watch the Walid Shoebat videos I likned please.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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That Westboro church needs to close down.
Nothing but hate and negativity comes from that church.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Alright, Please tell me how a European can carry these titles:

A. The Assyrian (Four prophets repeatedly refer to the Antichrist as the Assyrian: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Malachi.)
B: The King of Babylon
C: The Prince of Tyre

How will a European hold these titles?



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


Alright, Please tell me how a European can carry these titles:

A. The Assyrian (Four prophets repeatedly refer to the Antichrist as the Assyrian: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Malachi.)
B: The King of Babylon
C: The Prince of Tyre

How will a European hold these titles?



A. I have looked over Micah 5, concerning this Assyrian,

When the Assyrian invades our land
and marches through our fortresses, we will raise against him seven shepherds, even eight leaders of men.
They will rule the land of Assyria with the sword, the land of Nimrod with drawn sword. He will deliver us from the Assyrian when he invades our land and marches into our borders.


I don't see anything in the chapter that says this Assyrian is the "8th" sovereign. In fact he/they appears quite weak in terms of power or importance and is quickly defeated.

B. The King of Babylon in Isaiah 14, this guy is more fitting of the image of world tyrant. The man oppressed many nations, destroyed cities, and laid waste to the world.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?


In this chapter Babylon is destroyed, compare to Revelations 17

The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
For G-d has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until G-d's words are fulfilled. The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.


Isaiah 14 also references this Assyrian figure again after the fall of Babylon and its King,

That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.


This Assyrian figure does seem to be "last days" prophetic figure, but appears to be separate from the King of Babylon. Though after looking at Isaiah 19, its more likely this isn't referencing a single man but a people in general.

In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: Whom the L-RD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.


Now does the King of Babylon have to be "middle eastern", no. This isn't Babylon in Iraq. This is a great city of trade and finance that is visible from the ocean based on verses in Revelations.

In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!' "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: "'Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin!


On that note, that isn't Rome either. Rome isn't a seaport.

C. The Prince of Tyre from Ezekiel 28, doesn't appear to have any control over other nations,


I am going to bring foreigners against you, the most ruthless of nations; they will draw their swords against your beauty and wisdom and pierce your shining splendor...You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign L-rd


Who are these most ruthless of nations that invades Tyre? Looking at it in context, the prophecy was probably fulfilled when the last king of Tyre fell to Alexander the Great in 322 BC.




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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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With all due respect, I'll comment further after you watch the two videos.

It's all covered, I simply don't want to type a 5,000 word rebuttal.

Please watch.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


With all due respect, I'll comment further after you watch the two videos.

It's all covered, I simply don't want to type a 5,000 word rebuttal.

Please watch.


I'll try to watch all of them, but so far the Dr. Joe has taken Isaiah 10 completely out of context, then he goes on to declare that the "Man of Sin" must carry these titles, but offers no explanation of why.

Daniel 11 references the King of the North, who wars with the King of the South and sets up the abomination of desolation in the Temple. I agree with the speaker that the King of the North isn't Jewish. I agree this King would be a gentile.

Note: the speaker in part 2 at 34 sec denotes the sea means the gentile nations.

I disagree with the origin of the King of the North coming from the Muslim world based on Daniel 11.

Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will appear in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece.

Then a mighty king will appear, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases. After he has appeared, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others.


The mighty king who appears after the war between Greece and Persia is Alexander. His empire is broken up between the Diadochi, Alexander's generals.


The king of the South will become strong, but one of his commanders will become even stronger than he and will rule his own kingdom with great power. After some years, they will become allies. The daughter of the king of the South will go to the king of the North to make an alliance, but she will not retain her power, and he and his powera will not last. In those days she will be handed over, together with her royal escort and her father and the one who supported her.


This implies the King of the North and the King of the South are successors of Alexander's empire. The wars between them are the Wars of the Diadochi that followed after Alexander's death.

It becomes pretty obvious who the players are when looking at history.

The King of the South was the Ptolemaic Kingdom. The King of the North was the Seleucid Empire.


His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their G-d will firmly resist him.


This is clearly Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

The idea that Prince Hassan bin Talal is the Antichrist is laughable.

Dr. Joe clearly has an agenda he is pushing. He's taking scripture out of context and creating ideas out of thin air.
With that I will not go on to video 4, but I will look up Dr. Joe's ministry and see how many skeletons he has in the closet.

Walid Shoebat is an apparent liar, based on information from Israel. There is no indication he was ever involved in terrorism and his stories are not supported by historical documents. Without any credibility I cannot take anything the guy says seriously.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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If Obama is "The Beast", I wonder what Fred Phelps thinks of Michelle?
ARGHHH!



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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I just don't think Westboro Baptist is real anymore. I don't think these people are sincere in their beliefs. I think they are trolls, out for publicity. I'm not exactly sure how they make money, but I'm guessing their outrageousness is part of it somewhow, and the more outrageous they are, the more they pull down. (Media exposure? Some kind of legal scam?)
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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It's about like calling the kettle black.

If there are any anti-Christs on Earth today, it'll be the leaders and members of Westboro Church.

They really know how to take the Holy Bible out of context.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Walid Shoebat is an apparent liar, based on information from Israel. There is no indication he was ever involved in terrorism and his stories are not supported by historical documents. Without any credibility I cannot take anything the guy says seriously.


So basically you're letting your conscience to be swayed by ad hominem arguments against the man. Interesting.

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him." ~ Proverbs 18:13



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 04:51 AM
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Isiah 10 is about the antichrist and the remnant of believers in Israel turning again to the Lord:

"In that day the remnant of Israel,
the survivors of Jacob,
will no longer rely on him
who struck them down
but will truly rely on the LORD,
the Holy One of Israel.
A remnant will return,a remnant of Jacob
will return to the Mighty God
.
Though your people be like the sand by the sea, Israel,
only a remnant will return.
Destruction has been decreed,
overwhelming and righteous.
The Lord, the LORD Almighty, will carry out
the destruction decreed upon the whole land."

Therefore the title "The Assyrian" refers to the antichrist. Isaiah is not the only prophet to name the antichrist "The Assyrian".



D. The Antichrist: the "last days Antiochus Epiphanes."

1. (36) "The willful king": a shift to a future fulfillment.

"Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done."

a. He shall exalt and magnify himself above every god: The angel explained to Daniel that this king will blaspheme God and exalt himself until the wrath has been accomplished and what has been determined shall be done.

b. Here we shift from what was fulfilled in the Ptolemies and the Selucids to what will be fulfilled in the Antichrist, the final world dictator. Daniel was told that this revelation pertained to the latter days (Daniel 10:14), and Daniel 11:36 begins to look more towards this final world dictator, who is sort of a "last days Antiochus Epiphanes."

i. We know that everything about this prophecy was not fulfilled during the career of
Antiochus Epiphanes. Jesus specifically said the real abomination of desolation was still in the
future (Matthew 24:15). The Apostle Paul paraphrased Daniel 11:36 in reference to the coming
Antichrist: Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling
away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts
himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of
God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

ii. Antiochus Epiphanes is important, but mostly as a historical preview of the Antichrist. This is
why so much space is given to describing the career of one evil man - because he prefigures the
ultimate evil man. Antiochus Epiphanes is the "trailer" released well before the Antichrist, who is
like the "feature."





Daniel 11 ends with the future world leader the antichrist.


Here



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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective



Westboro Baptist Church attorney Margie Phelps said Sunday that President Barack Obama was probably a sign of the Apocalypse.

“The president is going to be king of the world before this is all said and done and he is most likely The Beast spoken of in the Revelation,” she told Fox News’ Chris Wallace.





did anyone notice that she is only an attorney for the church...ergo not a official spokesperson
or publicist for the congregation.

is she even clergy for a protestant faith ?
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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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If the man continues to lie, I cannot take anything that comes out of his mouth as truth. He has built an entire career on lies.

Just like many politicians, I cannot listen to people who build careers on lies.

Here's a quote from Proverbs in context:

There are six things the L-RD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Proverbs 6: 16-19

Read all of Isaiah 10. The entire chapter is a judgement against Assyria, it isn't any individual.

In history, Assyria invaded and conquered Israel. It sold the people into slavery. Assyria was destroyed and eventually only a remnant of Israel returned. That is exactly what the chapter says;

A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty G-d. Though your people be like the sand by the sea, Israel,
only a remnant will return.


Assyria fell to Babylon, who had conquered Judah, and was ruled by them until Persia conquered both of them. The Persians allowed a remant of Israel to return.

The Assyrian people never recovered from conquest. They were conquered by various groups up until the time they converted to Christianity. After this the Arab Islamic conquests began and the Assyrians were oppressed and persecuted, since they were Christian. Under the Ottoman Turks, the Assyrians were slaughted in genocide by the hundreds of thousands, which resulted in an Assyrian disapora. Hundreds of thousands of Assyrians live in the US and Europe. They are still Christian, it remains a part of their identity as a people like it does for the Copts, the descendants of the Egyptians.

Assyria is actually a very blessed nation later in Isaiah.

Checkout Isaiah 19: 24-25

In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The L-RD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.


Now for Daniel,

There are some that consider this a prophecy that applies to multiple people. Historically, it has some application against Hadrian.

The Roman Emperor Hadrian did many of the same things Antiochus IV did, but on a greater scale and set up an even greater abomination on the temple mount, a temple to a foreign god.

The idea that the King of the North is a world ruler though is false. He wars with the King of the South and never rules the entire world. Even Hadrian was unable to conquer Persia and abandoned the campaign against them.

The 8th sovereign and his ten new sovereigns from Revelations rule the entire earth after they destroy Babylon. They don't even appear to be human based on their relationship with the Abyss.

This is an indicator of a major problem with Bible prophecy as interpreted by many American Protestant churches. American churches twist and contort scripture to fit whatever books or junk they are selling at the time. The ministries function as either "Endtimes Industries" or "Good times Industries".
They do very poor research, especially in regards to the Greek and Hebrew. People feed on the messages and material like drugs. The Endtimers get their overdose of doom and the Goodtimers get their overdose of happy pills. At the same time, the so called churches swindle people out of millions of dollars and their pastors live like kings.

All I can really say is people need to do the research on their own. Read in context. Take history courses. Always go back to the Greek and Hebrew. Do not let other people think for you.

With that, I am done with this debate.

Shalom.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Let's try another approach. There are numerous passages in the scripture that pertain to the Day of the Lord, or His return to Earth. Can you provide a passage here for all of us to read where Christ is judging a nation that is not Muslim today?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Man, these folks are quite clearly nuttier than a fruitcake.

I will be the first to admit that Obushma has been like a walking nightmare, and seems to have hypnotized a vast amount of his followers into blind allegiance and adoration, but this type of stuff, coming from this ever-controversial and hate-mongering group just ups the ante in terms of their looniness.

We hear constantly of the "muslim extremists", but I'd venture to say these folks could give ANY religious zealot group a run for their money. Quite a disturbed bunch of individuals...

She says the "beast of revelation" comment at about the 2:45 mark...



Actually that was the first thing I've ever heard those nut sacks say that made any sense

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