UFO of sorts Oswego IL

reply to post by sparda4355


You misunderstand...I was not speaking necessarily about the same object that you are...Instead this was the continuation of a discussion I was having about how a meteor MIGHT change course. This was a continuation of a discussion I was having about how such an object may be seen to change direction, and yet not have it be something anomalous. Is was not meant to either debunk, or explain any PARTICULAR object....It was just about meteors in general. I too brung up the point that the particular condition I am discussing would only explain a meteor which would be seen to suddenly move downward.

reply to post by bhornbuckle75


No that was my fault, didn't see who the reply was to... My bad

reply to post by sparda4355


No problem, friend!

Originally posted by VenomVile.6
reply to post by syrinx2112

 

Yeah.. I dont think anyone gave a good expl' on what could have caused that. I think the best someone said, the wind cause the meteor to change trajectory, or something like that...???

I say missle or UFO, n not so as in other worldly but something not normaly used by humans. Earthly-alien

edit on 8-3-2011 by VenomVile.6 because: change

If those are jets tracking it, then the object being a meteor seems like a long shot.

I want to say that IF it were a rock, maybe it changed course due to a small explosion within the object, from heat, expansion. However, how often do jets get sent up to escort meteors through the atmosphere?

Nice!! You are in the news! Thanks for the Green Meteor Reference ;D

beaconnews.suntimes.com...

Very cool. But how about this article comment from viz daq:

That may explain all the police and military cars and trucks on Suydam Rd east of Rollo, Illinois. The road was blocked and closed to traffic but from a distance I could see a lot of personal in the field and woods walking around as if they were looking for something. I just assumed that they we looking for a criminal. But now I guess otherwise. Could Rollo be the new Roswell?

reply to post by sparda4355


I put this in the paper, there are other witnesses coming forward.

reply to post by sparda4355


I would be excited too man, this is crazy and it is happening more and more often.
- Wonder what it could mean?

I seem to see 3 pieces of what I asume to be a meteor that was large enough to enter the atmosphere intact, only to heat up enough to fracture or explode... This would explain flight or decent path changes, as well as the sound of useen jets becase said explosion would have inreased the speed of fragments. Furthermore the extinguishing and re igniting of fragments is further proof of an explosion bowing out the flames of atmospheric entry, only to be re ignited by decent.

I wish I could agree this was an alien craft, fired upon by military fighters from miles away, which flew by to admire thier kill. And lock in retrieval zone...

Originally posted by TomServo

Nice catch of a meteor in the Earth's atmosphere. Not sure if it landed anywhere on the planet or just burnt up in the air. Just to note, it's not an asteroid! However, you get a *S* for your picture. Call it fireball in the sky or something like that. Just my two cents.

reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

[*SNIP*]... a meteor would be travelling entirely too fast to allow this average joe enough time to see it... think about it for a sec... think, 'hey, i better take a pic of that'... get out his camera or phone... turn it on or open the app... Have you ever seen a meteor pass into our atmosphere? Wake Up!

 

Mod Note: Removed name calling. Please remember that courtesy is mandatory.

edit on 3/7/2011 by AshleyD because: (no reason given)

As getreadyalready said, meteors can be quite slow too, and not just man made meteors.

The Great (Jakson) Lakes fireball of 1972 was a natural meteor. The footage speaks for itself...


Having said that, I doubt the OP's photograph has any meteors in it...

Firstly, big meteoroids/asteroids entering our atmosphere don't suddenly go out and then re-light, providing they are not just lightly skimming the atmosphere, in which case it *might* be possible, but I don't think that is the case here. For the meteor to turn off and on, it would have to enter, leave, and then re-enter the atmosphere. Meteoroids produce light only when they are in the atmosphere, due to their speed and impacts with the air molecules in the atmosphere.

Fireball class meteors have huge amounts of momentum due to their high velocity (from 11-72km/s), and switching on and off like a light bulb is simply not an option - much like if you slam on the breaks on a fasr moving train, the screeching won't have any gaps in it.

Secondly, it's for the same reason, that a meteoroid can't change direction, at least not in the way we see in the photograph. Even when you see bits breaking off a meteor, they will continue to follow a very similar path for a short while at least before they start to peel away appreciably.

Thirdly, although the photograph resembles a meteor and it's train, the train does not look like the type of train that is made by a meteor. Meteor trains distort very rapidly, and will look twisted and knotted ten's of seconds after the event since our atmosphere is made up of layers much like an onion, and the winds in adjacent layers will often be going in completely different directions. The high altitude winds are ferocious compared to those at the altitude at which conventional commercial aircraft operate, so trains left by meteors become very distorted, very quickly, unlike aircraft contrails for example, which tend to keep their shape for minutes.

Some might say, well what if the photo was taken while the meteoroid was lower down in the atmosphere? Well, if that was the case, we should still have a trail high up in the atmosphere too, and it would be very obvious from my past experience. Also, anything traveling above the speed of sound (which is a lot less than the 2-3 km/s needed for a meteoroid to produce light), would produce significant booms, that would be heard for 10's of km in all directions from the event.

It was proposed earlier on in this thread that a meteor could change direction, but that is not true, at least for one that changes direction significantly from its original path. It is however true that a meteoroid which is big enough to survive atmospheric entry will change direction, but this is because the atmosphere has slowed it down to speeds at which it can no longer produce light (it's known as the "dark flight" phase of the meteor's flight), and just like a cannon ball, it will start to follow a more and more curved trajectory. Of course, since there is no longer any light being produced, and no ablation, you would not be able to see it any more, so this can not be the case here.

8. Can a meteorite dropping fireball be observed all the way to impact with the ground?

No. At some point, usually between 15 to 20 km (9-12 miles or 48,000-63,000 feet) altitude, the meteoroid remnants will decelerate to the point that the ablation process stops, and visible light is no longer generated. This occurs at a speed of about 2-4 km/sec (4500-9000 mph).

From that point onward, the stones will rapidly decelerate further until they are falling at their terminal velocity, which will generally be somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2 km/sec (200 mph to 400 mph). Moving at these rapid speeds, the meteorite(s) will be essentially invisible during this final “dark flight” portion of their fall.

Source: American Meteor Society Fireball FAQs

Due to atmospheric drag, most meteorites, ranging from a few kilograms up to about 8 tons (7,000 kg), will lose all of their cosmic velocity while still several miles up. At that point, called the retardation point, the meteorite begins to accelerate again, under the influence of the Earth’s gravity, at the familiar 9.8 meters per second squared. The meteorite then quickly reaches its terminal velocity of 200 to 400 miles per hour (90 to 180 meters per second). The terminal velocity occurs at the point where the acceleration due to gravity is exactly offset by the deceleration due to atmospheric drag.

Source: American Meteor Society Fireball FAQs

So, based on the above, it's safe to say that we can rule out meteors.

From past experience, what we are looking at here looks, and fits much better with aircraft contrails, that are lit by the setting sun. People often mistake them for meteors/fireballs, and even comets in some cases.

Probably the best known case is the case of the Welsh teenager who snapped a quite amazing photo of what looked very much like the train left by a meteor back in 2003:


NASA APOD

After lot's of wrangling a meteor was rulled out by meteor experts.

Tellingly, incidents like this, where "falling objects that are burning", always occur at sunset (or sunrise), and never at any other time. Sunset is the only time where objects in the sky (clouds/contrails/clouds), look like they are orange/red, which can make them look like they are on fire. The illusion is made all the more dramatic because lower level clouds, and contrails towards the observer will be in the shadow of earth, where as the higher altitude clouds/contrails will be lit by bright red/orange colored light.

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This also explains why the object went off and lit up again, since the sun's angle is very low in the sky, an aircraft can easily fly through the shadow cast by a cloud (or con trail).

Perspective, or the observer's location in relation to the object is one of the reasons most people dont notice/pay much attention when this "phenomena" happens: From most other angles, the same aircraft/contrails would look more aircraft like, and it would be obvious to most observers that this was an aircraft.

This tallies well with why no one else (or very few) has/have reported a fireball. One this big, and this long lasting, in broad daylight would have been seen by thousands of people... so it's highly unlikely that this was a meteor/fireball.

In 2009 a there was a big fireball over Texas. It was seen by many people. It shook houses and rattled windows. Later on, meteorites were recovered from the fall.

The event in 2009 was a very big fireball, and was seen by many, yet it seems a lot less spectacular than the photo we are discussing here if you check the footage posted in the link above. I would have expected to see this event on the news if it lasted as long as the OP says, and it was really a meteor.

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by XtraTL

 

Actually I can sort of see a scenario if I take it to the extreme. If I imagine that I take a handful of powder and compress it into a ball in my hand....then throw it as hard as I can, it might travel a foot or less before it breaks up and basically comes to a stop in the the air, where it would then start to slowly float downward in a dusty cloud. Now how well this applies to a rock, or chunk of ice I don't know. I can see the more solid object cutting through the air like butter...till it breaks up, and looses inertia, then starts to slow...this would undoubtedly cause it to start falling at a faster rate. I'm just not sure whether or not it would really be all that noticeable, or just a slight deceleration, and a slight change to the arc it is traveling.

I liked you analogy. It explains very well what happens to many meteoroids/asteroids that enter our atmosphere :up

Unfortunately it does not explain what is happening here. When meteors break apart as you describe, there is usually a bright flare/release of energy (which would be obvious to any observer): Also, the larger remaining fragments are quickly slowed down by our atmosphere, and they stop being luminous. That is not what the OP described here, and the photograph supports this.

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


Thanks...and yeah, I agree with you. I was just speculating on the nature of how a meteor could change direction in general...I wasn't meaning to apply it to this scenario necessarily.

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Thank u and chud for putting so much effort into your replies and I truly love the feedback! I'm now being contacted almost regularly by everybody and their brother from sites all over the net...

I'm also in contact with a security guard at fermi lab that swears their particle accelerator is directly inclined with what I witnessed... He is encouraging other staff to cone forward and talk to me.

He says this is at great risk to their job, so I must be discrete!

Just joined ATS after years of browsing because of this post.
I grew up in Yorkville Illinois (3 miles from Oswego) and my family still lives there. While I was home having dinner with my family on Sunday March 13, my sister told me this:

On March 11, 2011 (the day of the earthquake in Japan) while driving to her boyfriend's house at exactly 9:30PM, she saw an alien. Her boyfriend lives in the middle of cornfields in Yorkville with hardly any homes around. She was on the phone with him at the time of seeing the alien in a cornfield. He is a total disbeliever and skeptical about most things like aliens and ghosts.

Anyway, she was driving, making a turn around the bend and saw an alien, 10 feet from the car, a profile view of it, running very very fast. She said so fast that it was speeding ahead of the car, faster than she had ever seen anything move. It was for a second or two of viewing it since she was making a turn and could only see it in her headlights. On the phone, she said to her boyfriend, "I just saw an alien." She wasn't afraid and she said it very calmly.

She describes it as taller than she would expect - 5ft tall with a huge upside down teardrop shaped head and very very skinny limbs and especially arms.

I was very interested in everything she was telling me but we had never discussed anything like that before. It would never be anything she would make up. She lives a pretty simple life and is a touch conservative. Her boyfriend is a total farmer, home town kind of dude who hates change. sorry to stereotype. She kind of has a little of that in her. She wasn't scared driving the rest of the way to her boyfriend's house but was very scared when it came time to get out of the car. She was a little hysterical and needed him to come out to get her.
So I ask her how fast it was moving as I was suspecting she saw a deer. She said it was moving way faster than a deer, it was standing upright and running like a human. It was not wearing any clothes and had very light colored skin, almost a little greenish gray. She didn't see it's eyes as it was a profile view, but she said it's head was huge, like too big for it's body.

I wish more than anything that I had a picture or proof of any kind to show, but all I can say is that she saw what she saw and I believe her. I know my sister more than anyone and she would never make up something like this...ever. And I'm super jealous of her.

A few days later, she informed me about friends of hers that also saw this Oswego UFO and she was kinda freaked out that she saw the alien and suspected it was from that.
I know I don't have proof but I thought I'd add this important piece to the Oswego UFO mystery. Totally wild.

Congrats on winning the Daily Herald photo contest for the week (just showed up on my driveway). I'm a little disappointed with the photo caption:

While trying to photograph the sunset in Aurora, I got an unexpected bonus! This dark line shot rapidly through a cloud and burst into flames! I’m calling the shot, Sunset Meteor.

www.dailyherald.com... photos/EP11/#ixzz1H99740lf (Picture 12)

Why did the story change for the photo contest? I thought you were intentionally trying to photograph this, not accidentally capturing something while photographing the sunset.

I am disappointed.

reply to post by OhioPariah


Lol bro I never entered that contest!

They never even told me I was in the contest, they grabbed my pic from somewhere...

This would be a real life example of the telephone game, thanks fir letting me know I'm in/won a contest though...

And my names not mike Bryant, he stole my picture!!! What a douche!!!!!!!!

I just read it again...you are, I guess, a featured entry. The winner is only for the month, so I guess you are in the running for a $500 prize. But still, why would they whitewash your story like that? I suppose I know the answer to that. That's kind of why I'm here

reply to post by OhioPariah


No dude, they didn't white wash my story...Some douche bag wanna be photographer stole my pic off the net and entered it as though it was his own! Thanks to you, I reported him, and have 9 pages worth of google search (Brandon tudor UFO), a newspaper writer, and the original full picture for proof!!!

Oh yeah, I didn't catch that...Mr. Bryant, you got some 'splaining to do.

Originally posted by bluemooone2
reply to post by sparda4355

 

I thought so at first also . Looks like one trail tho:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e035fc6eede4.jpg[/atsimg]

I almost guarantee this is one trail that is acting like some kind of sidewinder or something . Its the strangest photo I have ever seen on ATS.