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Originally posted by stevcolx
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Nevertheless though, he was right about the Bible not being a lie. As for Christianity, that's all it is, a big lie! About 99% of it anyways. The true church of God is ISRAEL. The Jews. Not those ones in the middle east, I mean the REAL JEWS. The Bible says the real Jews will only be gathered at the 2nd coming of the Lord.. so that automatically knocks those Jewish imposters out of the picture.
If you people want me to post scriptures to back all this up.. just ask. Cause it's in there alright.
You can't back anything up with scriptures. It's just like saying you can back it up with verses from the bible or the qu'ran. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Buddism........They are all the same religion just different stories. As far as God, Allah, Satan and Lucifer are concerned they are all names of symbolism. They don't exist in reality. They are just symbols of the stories.
Scriptures and verses are just made up stories...........God doesn't exist. Get over it and lead your life the best you can!!
Originally posted by Falcifer
Regarding the OP's request it is my opinion that there is more than one so-called "truth" (what is the TRUTH anyhow).
But at the meeting of the minds here on ATS the following might be a one of the viable answers to the OP's question.
A disclaimer is in order - the opinions and ideas expressed below might very well not be shared by this author but have been discussed by many people on this forum.
Mankind must be enslaved by the demons/reptilians/aliens/angels because it is only through man and his spirit/soul (psychic abilities), blood (blood magick) and flesh (human sacrifice) that these deities can exist in the causal/3rd dimension and not be trapped in hell/acausal/4th dimension/astral dimension.
To this end (the enslavement of man) they (the demons/reptilians/aliens) have assumed human form and instilled themselves and their families/blood lines into the top echelons of power (whether it be religion, politics, military or financial).
Only through blood magick (consumption of human blood), human sacrifice (consumption of human flesh) and death (consumption of the human soul) are they able to hold human form and not become "sick", but current changes in the earth are making this much harder. Transubstantion anyone?
The ultimate goal is to "free" the rest of the "old ones" still trapped on the "other side". Only man with his spirit (psychic abilities) can pull the old ones to our dimension - other demons/reptilians/aliens are not able to do this.
The trinity of man (soul, blood and flesh) is much more precious to these beings than all the world's (and maybe even the universe's) gold, diamonds, money and any other resources.
Man was hunted and enslaved for aeons across the universe. Our history continued from the time we inhabited Mars, was chased to the moon and subsequently ended up colonising Earth.
If my take on what is discussed here is flawed or lacking please feel free to correct me.
Originally posted by KAOStheory
reply to post by vjr1113
I like the spelling "lucifarian". I know it was a mistake but the cross between "luciferian" and "rastafarian" is hilarious, and probably accurate for a lot of people...all you out there with a Bob Marley poster hanging next to your Led Zeppelin poster.
Originally posted by 5StarOracle
The fact that Satan is gaining strength is not because he is getting stronger, Man has grown weak willed and his lusts have increased, thus granting him this noticable increase.
Also Man has turned away from God, I dont care what your belief system is, or if your a non believer for that matter. Because its true for all.
I see alot of untruths spoken here about God by many, those with no faith at all are so easy minded I feel sory for them even, whlie feeling sick at the same time as I taste thier delusions and peer into thier minds eye. Most of them are so overjoyed with themselves, are quite like how Satan himself was and how he infact did outsmart himself. They should be horrified at the pride they feel as they deny the Allmighty.
Also while it is meritous and fruitful to ponder the mysteries of God, Becareful not to fall into the delusional trappings of self enlightment. Until you understand what you think and what you are told in your own mind and from whom it came, You could easily insnare your own mind in doing so. Most every mystery of God will always elude you because you are unworthy and arrogant in the start of your journey and thus have polluted your path. Humble yourself before God allow him to speak to you instead, no I should say shut up and listen, as he does speak to ALL.
sorry I could go on but would stray further from topic, guess im just saying its our fault.
Originally posted by vjr1113
Originally posted by KAOStheory
reply to post by vjr1113
I like the spelling "lucifarian". I know it was a mistake but the cross between "luciferian" and "rastafarian" is hilarious, and probably accurate for a lot of people...all you out there with a Bob Marley poster hanging next to your Led Zeppelin poster.
im not a luciferian, im an atheist.
that one guy who quoted my bible quote, can you please explain the other bible quote? thank you. im not a bible scholar and i admit that one particular post was out of context... but the one that follows?
if it's in the culture to kill ppl then that culture is wrong and it has to be changed, because it was the culture at the time, doesnt mean it was morally correct, therefore god was mistaken, and had to correct himself?
Originally posted by 5StarOracle
The fact that Satan is gaining strength is not because he is getting stronger, Man has grown weak willed and his lusts have increased, thus granting him this noticable increase.
Also Man has turned away from God, I dont care what your belief system is, or if your a non believer for that matter. Because its true for all.
I see alot of untruths spoken here about God by many, those with no faith at all are so easy minded I feel sory for them even, whlie feeling sick at the same time as I taste thier delusions and peer into thier minds eye. Most of them are so overjoyed with themselves, are quite like how Satan himself was and how he infact did outsmart himself. They should be horrified at the pride they feel as they deny the Allmighty.
Also while it is meritous and fruitful to ponder the mysteries of God, Becareful not to fall into the delusional trappings of self enlightment. Until you understand what you think and what you are told in your own mind and from whom it came, You could easily insnare your own mind in doing so. Most every mystery of God will always elude you because you are unworthy and arrogant in the start of your journey and thus have polluted your path. Humble yourself before God allow him to speak to you instead, no I should say shut up and listen, as he does speak to ALL.
sorry I could go on but would stray further from topic, guess im just saying its our fault.
faith is absolutely not good, its the excuse to believe in something for no good reason, talk about living an illusion...edit on 12-3-2011 by vjr1113 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KAOStheory
And I know that wasn't a great contribution to your thread, for that I appologize, just trying to throw in some humor. So I'll say this: I recently saw a quote on someones signature here that said something to the effect of "man never more joyously does harm to his fellow man than when its done in the name of God". Wish I could find it, sums it up nicely. Anyone who says "all life is precious, no abortion for you" while engaging in war and supporting the death penalty should be institutionalized.edit on 12-3-2011 by KAOStheory because: spelling-see? just did it.
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Originally posted by KAOStheory
And I know that wasn't a great contribution to your thread, for that I appologize, just trying to throw in some humor. So I'll say this: I recently saw a quote on someones signature here that said something to the effect of "man never more joyously does harm to his fellow man than when its done in the name of God". Wish I could find it, sums it up nicely. Anyone who says "all life is precious, no abortion for you" while engaging in war and supporting the death penalty should be institutionalized.edit on 12-3-2011 by KAOStheory because: spelling-see? just did it.
Since the Christians claim to follow the New Testament, the true followers of God are not supposed to war against other people. If anything, they are supposed to take persecution if it comes to them. If they are about to be delivered to be stoned. They have to go through with it. It's just part of walking the narrow path. Persecution is going to happen if you live godly. If you are not being persecuted, you are not doing something right. But, i'm not going to lie, the Old Testament does call God a "Man of war". Cause God helped the Israelites destroy many wicked nations. The Hittites, the Amorites, and the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, God allows whoever he wants to win wars. It's in his hands. God allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to besiege Jerusalem and take Israel into bondage because of their wickedness.
Originally posted by SunTzu22
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Originally posted by KAOStheory
And I know that wasn't a great contribution to your thread, for that I appologize, just trying to throw in some humor. So I'll say this: I recently saw a quote on someones signature here that said something to the effect of "man never more joyously does harm to his fellow man than when its done in the name of God". Wish I could find it, sums it up nicely. Anyone who says "all life is precious, no abortion for you" while engaging in war and supporting the death penalty should be institutionalized.edit on 12-3-2011 by KAOStheory because: spelling-see? just did it.
Since the Christians claim to follow the New Testament, the true followers of God are not supposed to war against other people. If anything, they are supposed to take persecution if it comes to them. If they are about to be delivered to be stoned. They have to go through with it. It's just part of walking the narrow path. Persecution is going to happen if you live godly. If you are not being persecuted, you are not doing something right. But, i'm not going to lie, the Old Testament does call God a "Man of war". Cause God helped the Israelites destroy many wicked nations. The Hittites, the Amorites, and the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, God allows whoever he wants to win wars. It's in his hands. God allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to besiege Jerusalem and take Israel into bondage because of their wickedness.
Why would your "god" need to allow anything?
Isn't the physical realm just a manifestation of his "will"?
Oh, and how did he allow these attrocities to occur, while he is inside his golden box?
I am pretty sure you don't get many bars in there....
Originally posted by SunTzu22
reply to post by vjr1113
True that vjr.
Faith is a system invented my the more clever criminals within our species, to justify the actions they take in the name of Greed.
Id rather thump a Sports Illustrated, than that disgusting little hate manifesto called the Bible.
Originally posted by SunTzu22
I do know what going on. check out the books that are on this site, they are easy to read and very interesting.
the rest of the site is filled with stuff that will blow your mind, in a good way.
Lots of metaphysic's that one can understand, pay attention to the book "armageddon conspiracy" as it pertains directly to your questions.
armageddonconspiracy.co.uk
Originally posted by knowledge212
I agree with what your saying and I for one have lived under the watchful eye of religion and i'm tired of it. I don't know whats true anymore and I would like to have some clarity. I for one cast my vote to have someone come out and just tell us what is going on. I would like to read some books if anyone has any recommendations.
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Faith is most definitely good, but faith is good only to a certain point. If you have faith, and yet have no works, you have dead faith, like billions of Christians. They think they can just have faith and get into heaven. They think they can sin all they want and still get into the kingdom. Not going to happen. James 2:14-24 you must have works to go with your faith.. meaning you must keep the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. If you can do all that, you will make it into the kingdom. Now do you understand why Jesus said few were going to walk the narrow path? When I say few, I MEAN FEW.
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Faith is most definitely good, but faith is good only to a certain point. If you have faith, and yet have no works, you have dead faith, like billions of Christians. They think they can just have faith and get into heaven. They think they can sin all they want and still get into the kingdom. Not going to happen. James 2:14-24 you must have works to go with your faith.. meaning you must keep the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. If you can do all that, you will make it into the kingdom. Now do you understand why Jesus said few were going to walk the narrow path? When I say few, I MEAN FEW.
So faith + works= Heaven. Could you please list the works that the thief on the cross performed that got him into Heaven? "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." I don't know what great works he could have performed in the last minutes of his life while suspended from a cross! If that doesn't convince you, maybe this will: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I completely agree that after salvation we're called to make every effort to turn from sin, and we're called to do good works as a demonstration of the fruits of our salvation. But we're not saved by works or by the law. The Pharisees clearly demonstrated that one cannot be saved by adhering to the Mosaic laws.
Back on the original topic, I do love ATS but it always surprises me that so many otherwise open-minded people will totally lose it should someone relate the times we're living in to Bible prophecy. But take this passage for example:
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
And this:
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. "
Never have these prerequisites been fulfilled like they are in our times. I've been a follower of prophecy for decades and for much of that time I really thought the end times were hundreds of years (maybe thousands) in the future. I have been astonished to see the way events have unfolded so quickly in the last 8 or so years, it's straight out of Daniel and Revelation. I really do think Satan is at work in the world and knows his time is short, and that what we're witnessing are his last-ditch efforts to take control.
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Faith is most definitely good, but faith is good only to a certain point. If you have faith, and yet have no works, you have dead faith, like billions of Christians. They think they can just have faith and get into heaven. They think they can sin all they want and still get into the kingdom. Not going to happen. James 2:14-24 you must have works to go with your faith.. meaning you must keep the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. If you can do all that, you will make it into the kingdom. Now do you understand why Jesus said few were going to walk the narrow path? When I say few, I MEAN FEW.
So faith + works= Heaven. Could you please list the works that the thief on the cross performed that got him into Heaven? "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." I don't know what great works he could have performed in the last minutes of his life while suspended from a cross! If that doesn't convince you, maybe this will: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I completely agree that after salvation we're called to make every effort to turn from sin, and we're called to do good works as a demonstration of the fruits of our salvation. But we're not saved by works or by the law. The Pharisees clearly demonstrated that one cannot be saved by adhering to the Mosaic laws.
Back on the original topic, I do love ATS but it always surprises me that so many otherwise open-minded people will totally lose it should someone relate the times we're living in to Bible prophecy. But take this passage for example:
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
And this:
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. "
Never have these prerequisites been fulfilled like they are in our times. I've been a follower of prophecy for decades and for much of that time I really thought the end times were hundreds of years (maybe thousands) in the future. I have been astonished to see the way events have unfolded so quickly in the last 8 or so years, it's straight out of Daniel and Revelation. I really do think Satan is at work in the world and knows his time is short, and that what we're witnessing are his last-ditch efforts to take control.
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Faith is most definitely good, but faith is good only to a certain point. If you have faith, and yet have no works, you have dead faith, like billions of Christians. They think they can just have faith and get into heaven. They think they can sin all they want and still get into the kingdom. Not going to happen. James 2:14-24 you must have works to go with your faith.. meaning you must keep the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. If you can do all that, you will make it into the kingdom. Now do you understand why Jesus said few were going to walk the narrow path? When I say few, I MEAN FEW.
So faith + works= Heaven. Could you please list the works that the thief on the cross performed that got him into Heaven? "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." I don't know what great works he could have performed in the last minutes of his life while suspended from a cross! If that doesn't convince you, maybe this will: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I completely agree that after salvation we're called to make every effort to turn from sin, and we're called to do good works as a demonstration of the fruits of our salvation. But we're not saved by works or by the law. The Pharisees clearly demonstrated that one cannot be saved by adhering to the Mosaic laws.
Back on the original topic, I do love ATS but it always surprises me that so many otherwise open-minded people will totally lose it should someone relate the times we're living in to Bible prophecy. But take this passage for example:
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
And this:
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. "
Never have these prerequisites been fulfilled like they are in our times. I've been a follower of prophecy for decades and for much of that time I really thought the end times were hundreds of years (maybe thousands) in the future. I have been astonished to see the way events have unfolded so quickly in the last 8 or so years, it's straight out of Daniel and Revelation. I really do think Satan is at work in the world and knows his time is short, and that what we're witnessing are his last-ditch efforts to take control.