NWO & LUCIFER

reply to post by vjr1113


I like the spelling "lucifarian". I know it was a mistake but the cross between "luciferian" and "rastafarian" is hilarious, and probably accurate for a lot of people...all you out there with a Bob Marley poster hanging next to your Led Zeppelin poster.

reply to post by trailertrash

What is your source, The Urantia book?

Originally posted by nakiannunaki

So who is really behind all this madness... i mean really?
Could it just be power hungry men or is there a real entity behind the scenes that many bow down to?

It is good that you asked, now I feel better about answering your question, since you seem to be sincere, and truly after the truth.

When you consider the term Lucifer, it might benefit you to understand, that the one story telling about such a being in the bible, seems to have lot in common with the older Babylonian / Sumerian myths about Ishtar, the morning star.. (Planet Venus) this is what the "son of the morning" phrase (used accompanying the term Lucifer) seems to point to, a planet that rises with the sun (therefor calling it the "son of the morning", or "morning star", or "the light bearer", due to "literally" bringing light [..= sun..] alongside it, this is why these terms work both for Ishtar and Lucifer - that means the bringer of light)

Now, this is what might interest you the most, if you are after the real truth.. The story, telling about the Goddess Ishtar, has at least 3 variations, in all of them Ishtar falls into the netherworlds, just like it is told in the Bible that happens to Lucifer, but in these, seemingly original versions of the story rewritten into the Bible, Ishtar, the one descending to the netherworld, returns back.

Atleast this is what from my understanding is the case, but you might feel better after studying the similarities between those 2 stories yourself.

What seems the most rational conclusion, is that the part where the one that is referred as the bringer of the light, (due to its associationing with the planet Venus) comes back from the netherworld, was (a part that was) left out from the version of the Bible, people read today.. and that this happened due to an unknown reason.

So it might be, that there is actually no real basis to the existence of such a being called lucifer, except those peoples beliefs, who shortsightedly believe in the existence of such a being.

From a rational, and logical point of view, also:

..when we consider a being being omnisentric, all prevading, all seeing, and all that.. It would logically have to be, that god could see what happened in Hell, and that Hell existed within god, if that being was up to comparison with the definition of an omnisentric being - this would have to be the case.

Logically then, what some call Satan, would have to live and breathe inside god, out of god, and god would also have to have the possibility to experience Satans point of view, so that he could know all that was going on in the Universe / Reality that "the" God was being omnisentrically part of.

This is why associating a specific group (NWO) as having something to do with Lucifer, or NWO having such habits as worshipping a deity that would be called as Lucifer - needs alot of adjusting, before it can be in line with what is (possibly) really going on.

There needs to be the real Historical basis, the understanding of the realness of the concept "Lucifer", and understanding its origins (ie. where it came into the Bible, who put it there, and why) before our assumption that any specific group might be worshipping such a being, could have real value and truth within.

Also what you might wish to consider, is that since all of us do have an unconscious mind, it is what we feed in there, that will create our experience of what is happening outside - and if in the search for the real truth and spiritual nourishment, we happen to stumble upon Alex Jones videos, and other material that handle these things we need to know the truth about - our subconscious mind gets then fed whatever perspective we openly accept as the truth - which might not even be the case, even though these documentaries have a greater potency of truth, (when compared to mainstream media, for example) regarding the thing that we need to know right at that moment.

edit: sorry cannot give you a direct link, due to ATS not supporting links with commas / special characters. Try "Ishtar Lucifer Similarities" in the Google, and check for the link: biomystic.org

reply to post by nakiannunaki


"Who is really behind all this madness"?

You already answered your own question without realizing it.Lucifer aka Satan has obvious control over the powers that be.Like you said,Satanism is being promoted everywhere now more than ever.

Ask yourself why?And why do the powers that be worship him?What do they know that we don't?

The question is..does Satan really exist?Did Bob Dylan really sell his soul to the devil like he says he did?Like a lot of celebrities say.

And why do people who believe in Satan not believe in God?

The fact of the matter is,is that if something like Satan exists then why wouldn't God?

And if Satan exists then guess what all you bible haters...........the Bible is right!

Do you really want the truth?

Then look inside you, you already know it. It just takes for you to look arround you and all the answers will hit you like a canon ball. All the things you think as conpiracy theories are a small part of the truth and if you put them together you will see the big picture. (Talking about the normal conspiracy theories not the ones that someone conjures up because he thought at it too much.)

reply to post by nakiannunaki


If you truly believe in a satan or lucifer type, you must also believe, I am guessing, in the one true God. If this is the case and you want the truth than just ask him, knock and he will answer, seek and you will find.But be forewarned
those with the truth will be held accountable more than the deceived. In other words, be careful what you ask for........

We were never connected this way before...getting rid of all this evil, it's just a natural human reaction. It's Evolution.

reply to post by nakiannunaki

So easy to blame Satan for all the calamities of the world instead of taking responsibility and realizing we did this ourselves.

See Satan is just a personification of all the bad that happens so again you avoid responsibility.

Lucifer is God's right hand. If you look at the big picture, nothing is "good" or "bad". Things are just perceived that way. How can anything be bad when everything is part of the whole?

In the bible story of the Garden of Eden there was no choice. God ran a "benign dictatiorship" How can you evolve when everything's great? "Those who know not, care not"

Lucifer came to introduce choice. The "bad" thing that happen is just a lesson so you can "Choose" what you are not. get it?

Great thread.

reply to post by Jussi


It's not just because of some videos on youtube or ramblings from Alex Jones that people think these things.alex has been around for years and no one thought anything of him except they thought maybe he was crazy.It's because of 9/11 that people are starting to believe what Alex is saying.It's because a lot of people think 9/11 was an inside job.And the reason people think these things is because they see it.And if you can't see the Luciferian agenda being pushed on people then you are blind.

Why would Obama throw up the sign of the devil?He's not from Texas.

Take a look at how satanism has taken over the music industry.


You are being programmed.They don't call tv shows programs for no reason..they program you.

reply to post by coyotepoet


The bible isn't completely true... how do you know it hasn't been tampered with? Anyone with a good sense would know that it has. Our answers are coming... don't be fooled

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A desire to "know" everything can be dangerous...

2 Timothy 4:3

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

reply to post by GodIsPissed


I agree that Alex Jones is only bullhorning, what is true - but that is excactly what I meant - he is spreading the truth, but from his own Christianically coloured perspective - which I do not condemn, but which (..is a beliefsystem, or set of beliefs may organize a [..willingly accepting..] person into such a mindset that..) requires him to believe into the existence of such a being as Lucifer, and that is then reflected in everything he says or does.

Also this is encouraging alot of those who hold a similar set of beliefs in their minds, to "connect the dots" in a similar way, due to the similarities in these persons points of view towards the world.

(..which does not mean that his videos would not hold what is truth, as I said above earlier..)

Edit: but I am not here to argue or discuss this..

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