Simply the fact that you thought it a worthy idea of your efforts to copypasta the whole thread concept due to your obvious artificially media
generated distaste for Muslims denotes that you are a confrontationalist christian and are quite radical in your beliefs.
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by Target Earth
You've obviously missed the past 2000 years of history.
If you look back in history at the countless acts of murder and genocide committed by or for the church you would see that Christianity is not exactly
an innocent party. The Crusades, The Inquisition
and the Rwandan genocides to name but a
And who could forget, the systematic child abuse and cover up of child molestation that has happened in the past how-many-knows centuries.
As for not being violent or blowing people up
Provisional Irish Republican Army
Right on, and I might also add:
and these lovely tidbits:
The majority of anti-abortion violence has been committed in the United States of America.
In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security
guard, and a clinic escort.
* March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters
distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in
* July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul
Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.
* December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John
Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his
head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
* January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was
killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the
crime and received two life sentences as a result.
* October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings
against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder
after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
* May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.
 Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and
Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion
providers. Attempted murders in the U.S. included:
* August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and
received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
* July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
* December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
* October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his
* January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
 Arson, bombing, and property crime
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173
arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric
acid ("stink bombs"). The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and
over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993. The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing
occurred in February 1978 in Ohio. Incidents have included:
* December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a
quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his
* May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.
* October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later
sentenced to 60 months in prison.
* May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains
unsolved. This was the second arson at the clinic.
* September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had
approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a
* June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.
* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.
* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the
building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a
“memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He
then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions,
however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury
or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was
found guilty of the crime.
* May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
* December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had
scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.
* January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness  rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a
Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.
 Anthrax threats
The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then,
there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.
* November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December
3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.
I think it's also important to mention that this ENTIRE branch of christianity (which I do not capitalize intentionally) is an artificial creation of
the 20th Century and amalgamates numerous offshoots and sects of Christianity which broke from the mainstream Church during the formative years of the
US (Mormonism, for example). These branches of Christianity were manipulated by liberal political figures of the 1950's, namely Leo Strauss and
Irving Kristol (father of neoconservative William Kristol and prominent liberal writer of the mid-1950's). Kristol abandoned liberalism in the
mid-1960's when he saw the results of liberal reform throughout the late 50's to the mid-60's and created what he termed "neoconservatism" as he
thought that liberals were incapable of solving the problems they had created and that no one would take another "liberal reform" seriously in the
general public anyway. He was right.
One of the primary tenets later taught by both Kristol and had always been taught by Strauss at the University of Chicago was that a great political
myth would have have to be promulgated within the general public of the US and that Christianity, specifically the Oral Roberts/Billy Graham style
pentecostal christianity (which had developed out of the aforementioned sects) would be the vehicle to deliver that myth and that it wasn't necessary
for the promoters of the new "Christian Patriot" myth to ACTUALLY believe that myth but only that it appear as if they did whilst in public. How
they lived their private lives was of no concern.
This is how we get personalities such as Ted Haggard leading our youth right from the pulpit to under their desks all in the name of
money....uhhhh...oh, and God. But really it's all in name of political power because these mass numbers of people are now used as voting cows and
are driven all over the political map to support people like Sarah Palin and George Bush who support massive stupid war industrial complexes based on
oil and outsourced slave labor.
I believe that it is time we cease looking at pentecostal fundamentalist christianity as a religious phenomenon and begin looking at it as the
POLITICAL phenomenon that it is. Just like radical Islam. Sa'id Qutb (the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood which gave rise to people like Ayman
al-Zawahiri "bin Laden's number 2") and Leo Strauss (mentioned above) taught virtually identical philosophies when it came to their descriptions of
the culture of the US.
Watch Adam Curtis' "The Power of Nightmares" for more info on fundamentalist chirstianity, neoconservatism, radical islam, and the development of
"The Doomsday Code" by Tony Robinson on Google Video.
"Jesus Camp" on Google Video.
"Louis Theroux Weird Weekends "Born Again Christians" BBC on Youtube.
There is one called "Missionaries of Hate" about American fundamentalist missionaries in Uganda that support groups like the Lord's Resistance Army
which DOES massacre entire villages, DOES have child soldiers, and DOES believe in human ownership and the officers often own multiple underage
"wives." This documentary has proved very difficult to locate thus far.
But everything else is freely available on the websites listed and I don't link them intentionally either as those truly interested will easily find
it themselves in less than 30 seconds. Have fun being a hypocrite, OP.