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Somebody remind why we are in Afghanistan ?

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posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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methinks it is all about the big O (not Roy) and gas pipelines


second line


take care all
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posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Were doing what the U.S. and English do best - kicking the sh.it out of brown people.
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posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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To protect our freedoms!!!!!!


ok i can't stop laughing.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 12:37 AM
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Because cowards who are hiding behind a hijacked reigion flew 4 planes into various targets and killed innocent people. Afghanistan was warned prior to 9/11 by the UN to expel Bin Laden, and theyh failed to do so. They then ignored the US demand to turn Bin Laden over.

Explain to me why we should just sit back and do nothing when we are attacked?

If we use history as a guide, you will find that inaction can be just as deadly as imperial ambitions, which is exacty what Bin Laden has - The world united under sharia law and Islam.

If they want to stay at home and slaughter their own people, thats their issue. Just as people complain about the US using a nuke on Japan to end WWII, my response is the same.

Dont pick a fight you arent prepared to finish.
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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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Ok Xcathdra, your answer differs from others and refers back to the original reason for going to Afghanistan.

In your view are we still looking for Bin Laden ?

Do you remember Colon Powell showing us artist impressions of the Al Ciada caves network in the mountains. Did we ever find those ?

If there are no underground networks, and Bin laden is nowhere to be found then what are we trying to achieve ?

And who is Bin Laden anyway, I heard he was Saudi Arabian, trained by the CIA, and his family are best buddies with the Bush Family. Or did I get that wrong ?



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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Its all about the sand!

Its not generally known but America is going to run out of sand shortly. Drastic measures are called for. You see with the Climate Change, Alaska is going to become very hot. So it will become a Holiday destination like Las Vegas. So they will need miles and miles of beaches for people to lie on. And for that they will need sand - lots of lovely golden sand. The Afghans have it and we want it.

Simples 8-))



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by bigyin
 

Afghanistan was warned prior to 9/11 by the UN to expel Bin Laden, and theyh failed to do so. They then ignored the US demand to turn Bin Laden over.


If I remember correctly, the Taliban said they would turn over Bin Laden to the courts if evidence of a crime was presented. Why didn't the US just bring some evidence to the court and have big bad Bin Laden arrested?

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To answer OPs question. We are there because freedom isn't free.
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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:43 AM
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I agree, it's sad and so unnecessary!

Apparently the world market for poppies is HUGE!



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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Greed and power is why.

That is why a lot of people have died.

And in the end, it means nothing.

A shocking statement about humans, isn't it?



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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The Taliban did not "fail to turn over Bin Laden". There is much more to that story and to just say that they refused to cooperate is absolutely false.

On September 13, 2001 the Taliban refused to turn over Bin Laden without conclusive evidence of his terrorist involvement.
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The US failed to provide any evidence that Bin Laden planned or participated in the 9/11 attacks. As we now know, the FBI has stated publicly they do not have any evidence linking OBL to 9/11. This was also admitted by Dick Cheney on Tony Snow's radio show. Cheney's exact words were, "We never made the case or argued the case that some how Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11, that evidence has never been forthcoming."



In October 5 2001 the Taliban announced that they were prepared to put Osama Bin Laden on trial in an Afghan court for his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. However they again asked for the US to provide the evidence they had of Bin Laden's guilt. In addition to that they also claimed that "If America is not satisfied with our trial of Osama, we are also ready to find another Islamic way of trying him."
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By October 17, 2001 the Taliban offered to turn over OBL, without being shown any evidence at all to a country other than the U.S. provided the U.S. put a halt to their bombing campaign. That offer was ignored by the U.S.
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They also were not "warned prior to 9/11" to turn over Bin Laden. The facts are that prior to 9/11 in February of 2001, Bush was offered Bin Laden if he would lift sanctions or work out some type of deal. Bush refused.


As to the OP and why are we in Afghanistan, I can only echo the many other posters with my opinions. Money, oil, and to establish a permanent presence in the region. That however is only my opinion which is based solely on what we have seen from this debacle. For the "official story" as to why we are there, you can hear it from the man himself.....




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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by bigyin
I wonder what the troops out there think they are there for ?


Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.


From The Charge of the Light Brigade
Alfred, Lord Tennyson



Originally posted by bigyin
Please could somebody remind me why we are in Afghanistan ?


And why did the US of A attack Afghanistan? Because....

1. To neutralize the Al-Qaeda which was being funded by the Taliban, then ruling Afghanistan.
2. The Taliban were a threat to the CIA's illegal opium trade, and had to attack the Taliban because they were against poppy cultivation. (The CIA makes billions out of the poppies grown there).
3. Afghanistan is an energy gateway to Asia: Iran, Pakistan, India, China and the CIS republics.
4. Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Saddam were close allies, and Saddam had WMD's.
5. Going to war resulted in war profiteering companies, which made douches like Cheney even richer.
6. To put a brake on the establishment of a Muslim Caliphate across Asia and Europe which would have a direct impact on the security of the US of A at a later stage.


Hope this answers your question!

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posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by bigyin
 


Because cowards who are hiding behind a hijacked reigion flew 4 planes into various targets and killed innocent people. Afghanistan was warned prior to 9/11 by the UN to expel Bin Laden, and theyh failed to do so. They then ignored the US demand to turn Bin Laden over.

Explain to me why we should just sit back and do nothing when we are attacked?

If we use history as a guide, you will find that inaction can be just as deadly as imperial ambitions, which is exacty what Bin Laden has - The world united under sharia law and Islam.

If they want to stay at home and slaughter their own people, thats their issue. Just as people complain about the US using a nuke on Japan to end WWII, my response is the same.

Dont pick a fight you arent prepared to finish.
edit on 7-3-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


..lol..

Seriously man, talking point logic is as deep as you go?.. one nations "official" / main-stream dogma is reality?

"They then ignored the US demand to turn Bin Laden over."

Anyone with Google knows how silly that is, Taliban "representatives" asked for "proof", having none bush said "We know he's guilty." Washington Post saved page

Courts, evidence, due process and junk decide guilt, not politicians who lie for a living...the days where one dude could declare a person guilty were King George ago.. until bush and his minion brought it back.

"Afghanistan was warned prior to 9/11 by the UN to expel Bin Laden"

Afghanistan consists of some 29 million village people, exactly how many of them did the UN warn?.. lol.. and out of 29 million, how many "picked a fight"??.. lmao. The average village people of Afghanistan who are now being pummeled had nothing to do with any of that nonsense and probably couldn't have told you what UN stands for.

The US govt alleged a handful of people talked, shot guns, and played on monkey bars in Afghanistan.. but the skills and training most vital to mission success.. how to fly.. took place in Florida..

"During secret meetings with U.S. officials in 1998, top Taliban officials discussed assassinating or expelling Osama bin Laden in response to al Qaeda's deadly bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa,.."

CNN



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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We have been looking for Bin Laden prior to the events on 9/11. People seem to forget the 2 embassy bombings that occured on the African continent and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, not to mention the first world trade center attacks in 1993.

We are still looking for him, and yes I saw the cave systems for the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan. If people recall we had him surrounded, and opted to use Afghans in that area to assist, which is how Bin Laden was able to get out of the area into Pakistan.

Bin Laden is real, and was born in Saudi Arabia. His family is very wealthy, which comes from their construction business. Bin Laden left and head for Afghanistan to join the Muhajadeen to fight the Soviets. The US (CIA) not only funded / armed the group Bin Laden was part of, but also the other groups who were fighting against the Soviets. When the Soviets withdrew, Bin Laden expected the aid to continue. When the aid stopped, Bin Ladens view on the US changed.

As far as the constant reference that the Bin Ladens are friends of the Bush family, I fail to see how thats even relevant? Bin Laden is the one who went rogure, not the entire Bin Laden family. Not only have they disowned him because of his radical views, the Saudi Government stripped him of his citizenship.

Attempting to link Osama Bin Laden to the Bushes because of his parents is nothing more than an obfuscation / distortion of the facts to support a claim that Bush was cozy with Bin Laden himself.

If we look back at American History, you will find many people during the revolution who had ties back to the King. Those people fought against the British, but based on the logic I see some use, they are guilty by association.

Mr. Laughner went to a political event and started shooting at people, trying to kill as many as possible. His parents had nothing to do with that, but again based on the logic I see people use, they are just as guilty because they are associated with him.

I dont think the info you have is completely wrong. I do however think its based on innacurate information that leaves key information out.

People blame Bush and accuse his administration of orchestrating the entire mess. They leave out the attacks prior to Bush being in office and the actions taken at that time, while also ignoring the incidents during Obamas administration.

No one can make an argument that Bush is stupid by ignoring the before and after events of his adminiatration. The only way that argument will work is to include every single US President going back to the days of the Pirates of the Barbary Coast, where we had our first offical run in with Islam, all the way to Obama and the thwarted plots.

The facts are out there for people to read... The only way people will understand it though is to look at all of the information, and not just bits and pieces that support their stance on the issue.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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Zibrignew Brezinski (sp) had the plan in the Cards way before Øbama got to determine policy.

sidestepping Iraq, to still have boots in the Middle East/Central Asia makes sense for the
process of Balkinization of the nations with resources or proximity to strategic materaials.


Pakistan is the real goal... secure the Islamic 'Bomb'... surround China...along with the
Balkinization of Afghan/ Georgia, & all the other 'Stans' in the region..incl, Chechnya

Empire is the whisper word... but the Patriotic call (imperative) is for 'democracy'



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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The request you are referring to was actually a second request. Prior to Bush coming into office, President Clinton and the United Nations made direct requests to the The Taliban to kick him out of the country or to turn him over, which was refused.

The Taliban were in control of the country during this time, so they knew full well what was going on, and what was coming down the pipeline. Evidence was partialy relayed, but for obvious reasons not all of the info is going to be given, especially when their was no guarantee they would turn him over once the info was provided.

We can make an extended argument that there was no need to even contact the Taliban since they are not the officaly recognized government of Afghanistan. Only 3 countries recognied them as the Government, all Middle East countries. Even the UN listed the Taliban as a faction, and not a government.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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The incident you are talking about, in 2001, was not the first request. President Clinton and the UN made the same requests back in the late 90's, which the Taliban ignored.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Again, the demand made by the Bush administration was NOT the first request. President Clinton and the UN made the same demand prior to bush even being in office. The first WTC attac, 2 embassies in Africa bombed, attack on the USS Cole - all linked back to Bin Laden.

The Taliban were in control of Afghanistan at that time as well, and refused.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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We're still there because we got our asses kicked in Iraq, and TPTB need to perpetuate the myth of global terrorism, without it there is no fear, without fear no control.

Plus all the other reasons listed above.

But the party line is that a man called Osama Bin Laden allegedly planned a massive attack on the US, no the World from a cave in Afghanistan, and we've been looking for him ever since, We need to be there to stop the Taliban from returning to power who harboured that man.

Mos people couldn't tell you when 9/11 happened, let alone the reasons for the war, we really are a stupid bunch of primates.

All the best, kiwi



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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So first it was Iraq, then Afghanistan, then for a time it was Iran and how the US was looking for a reason to invade for their oil, and now its pakistan because of their nuclear weapons.

We just signed some detailed agreements with Canada over the border and immigration laws. Is that a plot also to take over Canada?



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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So the logic is because we cant find and capture Obama, because we have superior weapons, technology and military numbers, that its some type of made up deal?

Its not out of the realm of possibility for the US to get our asses kicked while at the same time not finding Bin Laden. However, that view point is nothing new, and has already occured in our nations history.

For the longest time the British Crown tried to find the leaders of the war of insurrection, but were unable to. The British Crown had superior military numbers, better weapons, more experience, higher technology

Even after all of that, we won the revolution (which they refer to as the war of insurection).

So because the leaders of the American revolution were not caught, does that mean they were fabricated by the British to justify their actions?




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