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You Call This An Economic Recovery? 44 Million Americans On Food Stamps and 10 Other Reasons Why The

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

How do you know anything about my work experience? You don't know what field I was in, what position I was in or my performance at my company. It seems hard to make a judgement without those facts.

Are you somehow better than me because you have worked longer?
Does this experience tell you that it is easier or harder for me or you to find a job?
What insights do you have in the job market?
What insights do you have at maintaining gainful employment?
What is it during your additional years in the jobplace that have taught you so much?

Since I know nothing about nothing, can you enlighten me?


Im not saying im better than you, Im saying that you are acting out of line with what experience you have. You have been in the work force for 8 years. The lady you insulted was in the work force for over 25. Why do you think you have a better grasp than her? What, in your 8 years, enlightened you so much?




posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by boncho
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Okay so lets do something about the person that is out of work then. Lets think up a creative way for her to find a job. A man traded a paperclip for a house, so there has to be something all of us can think of.

Do you have any suggestions on where to start?


I dont know. I dont have any solutions, BECAUSE THERE ARENT ANY JOBS OUT THERE. What part of this cant you understand?

If the job market is so great and easy to find a job, why are you back in school?


So how about making some jobs, thinking creatively, new ideas and new programs at the community level. I mean, you have some long successful history in business so that shouldn't be that hard for you right?

I am back in school because I was previously limited by it. There is nothing wrong with going back to school. Or do you condemn education?



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Good luck to her!

It really is worth a try, one of my friends got to the final round on american idol, but he didn't make the final cut, but few months after he got a phone call from a record company and they wanted to meet with him so during the summer he's going to fly to LA to see what they say.

And good luck to all of you guys as-well, I hope everything turns out okay for all of you!



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by boncho

How do you know anything about my work experience? You don't know what field I was in, what position I was in or my performance at my company. It seems hard to make a judgement without those facts.

Are you somehow better than me because you have worked longer?
Does this experience tell you that it is easier or harder for me or you to find a job?
What insights do you have in the job market?
What insights do you have at maintaining gainful employment?
What is it during your additional years in the jobplace that have taught you so much?

Since I know nothing about nothing, can you enlighten me?


Im not saying im better than you, Im saying that you are acting out of line with what experience you have. You have been in the work force for 8 years. The lady you insulted was in the work force for over 25. Why do you think you have a better grasp than her? What, in your 8 years, enlightened you so much?


All I can say is I wish I had 25 years experience the last time I landed a job. That would have been great, it probably would have shut up all those people that told me I didn't have enough.

So are you going to answer any of those questions or do you just talk out of your ass? If you want to pass on wisdom to people than go for it. Or do you just talk like this because you thought you knew everything and then you lost your job too?

No matter what the scenario is, there is always an option to do something. Jesus, everyone thinks the world is ending and it will because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Instead of a boo-hoo thread why don't you go make a solutions thread.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by boncho
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Okay so lets do something about the person that is out of work then. Lets think up a creative way for her to find a job. A man traded a paperclip for a house, so there has to be something all of us can think of.

Do you have any suggestions on where to start?


I dont know. I dont have any solutions, BECAUSE THERE ARENT ANY JOBS OUT THERE. What part of this cant you understand?

If the job market is so great and easy to find a job, why are you back in school?


So how about making some jobs, thinking creatively, new ideas and new programs at the community level. I mean, you have some long successful history in business so that shouldn't be that hard for you right?

I am back in school because I was previously limited by it. There is nothing wrong with going back to school. Or do you condemn education?


You should work for FOX news....you sidestep questions and put up strawman arguments that people have to waste time defending.....

of course there is nothing wrong with school. my point is if you worked for 8 years in your field, you should have been promoted and moved up in that field, so you wouldnt need more education. If not, then you should understand how fd up the business world is, and not be insulting to unemployed people.

maybe you never were promoted because you lack reading comprehension and critical thinking, as evidenced multiple times in this thread.

whatever, go back to sleep. you are SO right, and EVERYONE else is SO wrong. Have fun when you get out of college and enter the work force....you will need it. we all do.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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of course there is nothing wrong with school. my point is if you worked for 8 years in your field, you should have been promoted and moved up in that field, so you wouldnt need more education. If not, then you should understand how fd up the business world is, and not be insulting to unemployed people.


Actually I was, a certain commodity trade collapsed in Canada. It was all over the news. It was one of the biggest industry happenings in the past five years.

So I decided to hedge my bets and give myself options.

Look, I know the market is absolute crap, but bitching about it does not help anyone. I could have jumped into this thread from a completely different angle. But to be honest, I don't believe in promoting hardship. Finding solutions is the only answer.

At the end of the day the people are at fault. George Bush and his presidency raped the Treasury, and after that they made deals with my country to export all our resources. We as people (CAD AND US) have let ourselves down by letting the GOV and lobbyists destroy our trade.

The only thing people can do about it is though, is get off their ass and figure something out.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by boncho
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35, 000 jobs, that seems like a bold statement. It also sounds statistically impossible, unless you have a terrible resume.

Did you try applying to the integrity research institute?


This is the problem right now....no one believes it could possibly be that bad.

"Statistically impossible"?? She said shes been laid off for 5 years, thats 5000 jobs a year, or less tan 100 a week. Its not hard to apply for a 100 jobs a week.

And then you took it a step further, and insulted her by saying "unless you have a terrible resume". How #ing ignorant of you, bro. Its terrible out there right now, but obviously you wouldnt know.....despite that (back on topic) more Americans are on food stamps than ever before.

Its people like you that make it worse, not bettter.


I reckon those that think that people are just lazy should hand their job over to someone unemployed - since it is so easy to get another one, you wouldnt mind doing this for your the sake of your country if not for your countrymen - right?
edit on 8-3-2011 by byteshertz because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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I have to agree. When I moved here I had 5 jobs within 3 yrs time, yes I kind of am picky, I will not take employer abuse and rather than go to jail, I would just give my two weeks notice. That being said those jobs hired me, the subsequent ones at least, even though I, even in a GOOD economy, was actually a hiring risk honestly. I am not too egocentric to not admit my faults, yet those places did hire me! One of those was wal-mart, that was the last one and by far the worse one. I quit that too, and in 2 years since I can find no jobs whatsoever!!!! Of course it could be because I have wracked up 5 jobs prior to that, but in the situation they're in it should be a plus that someone would be so confident? Would it not? And the fact that I didn't spend any of that time sitting on my laurels, no I was still looking for employment and attending school & getting a 3.0 GPA, as well as did contract work (cleaning) and helping with my friends' business (a carwash), and still cannot find work even as an intern in the field. Which is a brand new field for me, so I don't have any working experience in that field but not to be able to get an internship, now I never heard of such a thing!

It is a real absolute horror out there for job seekers. Many people are not aware, because they either have a job or aren't even looking cause they don't have to. Sometimes they just can't see it for themselves until it happens to them. I am one of those people I would put down others calling them names and saying they're lazy too, until I was in the same situation, so my point is you can lead the horse to water but you can't make them drink. Just like I said to those two, you can say it till you're blue in the face, but you can't change their mindset and yuo might as well yell it to the walls!



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Instead of a boo-hoo thread why don't you go make a solutions thread.


instead of coming here to insult out of work americans, why arent you making your own thread?

All of this because you refuse to believe that the economy is so bad that someone could spend 5 years looking for a job. Then when other people chimed in saying it was possible, you got mad and moved on to "solutions". The only solutions I saw were ELANCE, or justagyrl told her to "move where the jobs are".


You and justagyrl have spent 10 pages arguing, insulting and obfuscating, because you JUST CANT BELIEVE that someone could post over 30k applications and not land a job. It is just not feasible in your eyes....well guess what? ITS TRUE, AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE EXPERIENCING IT. Im sorry you believe its just not happening (head in the sand much?), but it is.

THE ECONOMY SUCKS
THERE ARE NO JOBS
PEOPLE ARE NOT HIRING OLDER WORKERS WITH EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE KIDS ARE CHEAPER

Please feel free to refute any one of those three facts with links, information, whatever....but please stop "talking out of your ass" like you have done so much on this thread, becaue you feel the need to be "right", even when everyone is telling you that you are wrong.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

Look, I know the market is absolute crap, but bitching about it does not help anyone. I could have jumped into this thread from a completely different angle. But to be honest, I don't believe in promoting hardship. Finding solutions is the only answer.


Oh so now we are all about "finding solutions", huh? Here let me repost your first post in this thread:


Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu
 


35, 000 jobs, that seems like a bold statement. It also sounds statistically impossible, unless you have a terrible resume.

Did you try applying to the integrity research institute?


So tell me, where was your solution there? You managed to fit in a couple seperate insults, but not one solution that I can see. So what is this bollocks now about how you are just trying to help find solutions?

You got your logical ass handed to you and now you are backpedaling.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Justagyrl
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Aching Knuckles, I hope you don't have a wife and children...if you do I feel deeply sorry for them. You obviously have know idea what a stay at home mom does, you wouldn't last five minutes doing what I do. I have two children 5 and under and I am 9 months pregnant, I am very fortunate to be able to stay home, if I were not you better believe I would be out there busting my @ss doing what I had to do. NOT lurking on ATS trying to get people to feel sorry for me.

I had a paying job through college and and after until my first was almost two years old, so I do know how to work outside the home.

The sad part about all this...there really are a lot of people out there who are finding themselves in situations that they never thought they would be in, times are really hard. As I said in a previous post, SOME people are using these situations as an excuse, don't be mad at me because I called one out. If you go back and read all the posts it doesn't take a genius to figure out that some people just want you to feel sorry for them, give them justification for not taking care of business.

Woe is me, I am broke, I am sick, I don't have a car or place to live, I have applied for thousands of jobs, I am a woman, I am old, my computer doesn't work, I don't have software, nobody likes me...BUT BY THE WAY PLEASE STOP BY AND READ MY BOOKS...that I have had time to write while I have been applying to all these jobs on the internet without a computer but I have been using my friends...BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! SHUT UP.

I mean do I need to spoon the crap in your month and let you taste it so you know it is BS??

*Before someone brings this up, I said in a previous post that I am a smoker, which I am. I am also 9 months pregnant and I have stopped smoking for these 9 months, so I do relate to that who has applied for 45000 jobs person about addiction.

P.s. Thanks Boncho!!



You seem like a pretty bitching person full of judgement for others.
The facts on the table are that your husband has a job, so he is not looking for one, and you have a "stay at home job" so therefore, are not looking for one either.

Therefore, you have not an iota or clue what others are going through.
Even if you were looking for a job, all areas of the country are different insofar as how hard as they have been hit.

Furthermore, the disdain and and disgust should not be held against fellow Americans, but the COCKROACHES in the government and WALL STREET, who are not even human beings, that have been running a crooked casino at everyone elses expense for years.

People need to be responsible alright, but that responsibility I speak of consists of getting some balls and throwing out those in government and wall street on their butts that were responsible for this as they rake in the profits and continue to do so at an all time high while the rest of the country suffers.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Actually, there is more to it than that but the position is pointless anyway. As far as elance goes, I don't suggest it for everyone and I add strong caution to its use. I was merely suggesting something that could offer a few extra bucks. I don't see why people would not try to earn extra money in any way they can. I spent time picking fruit before. It wasn't a career plan.

What you are saying is true and if you think that I believe people can't jobs only because they are lazy than either I misspoke or what I was saying was misunderstood. So let me opt out of this argument now because I know the job market is terrible and there are hardworking people that can't find work.

As for deflecting my question, I suggest you really look for alternatives than condemn anyone who has an idea. I'm not saying my ideas are valid but if you don't think about solutions than you are going to have trouble finding one.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Never Judge a Man Until You Have Walked a Mile In His Shoes.


After that, who gives a crap? Hes a mile away and you have his shoes.

Billy Connolly



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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So tell me, where was your solution there? You managed to fit in a couple seperate insults, but not one solution that I can see. So what is this bollocks now about how you are just trying to help find solutions?

You got your logical ass handed to you and now you are backpedaling.


Do you know what the integrety research institute is?

If not than why are you being so arrogant as though you do, you clearly do not understand the message?



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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So tell me, where was your solution there? You managed to fit in a couple seperate insults, but not one solution that I can see. So what is this bollocks now about how you are just trying to help find solutions?

You got your logical ass handed to you and now you are backpedaling.


Do you know what the integrety research institute is?

If not than why are you being so arrogant as though you do, you clearly do not understand the message?


Please tell me how applying for a job at a place that accepts "members" for a "donation", but has no link for "employment" or "career opportunities" is helping her?

It sounded like (and i think it still is) a shot at her "integrity" that you are trying to weasel out of.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Oh so now we are all about "finding solutions", huh? Here let me repost your first post in this thread:


Yes, sometimes when people make crap up that have to face that for there to be a solution. Like I said, you don't understand the original comment so you really know half the story.

The poor sole you are defending goes around promoting fake 'free energy' claims. Writes books on how to live off said fake free energy and promotes her stuff on here. She could spend just as much time promoting a blog or writing articles online. So yes, I don't believe her.

And when questioned she just has an excuse for something. Do you believe everything you read? She doesn't have a computer but she is on here five hours a day, she can't work from a computer but she can post on one for ATS.

How do you know she isn't doing viral marketing for one of these free energy scams? And this isn't like ebay or elance where people get scammed through a marketplace. I mean outright fraud.

HERE - GO HERE AND BUY SOME OFF THE BS BOOKS SHE PROMOTES

There are hundreds of books, and DVD's and conventions you can go to. So while she was collecting food stamps she was buying this crap too, because she claims she has read most of it when I question it on her.

So there you go, defend your hero that thinks TPTB have suppressed the worlds free money supply. Do me a favour and go buy the book and build a free energy device so you never have to work again just like her.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by StigShen

Originally posted by BlackOps719
I have never understood the need for people to kick others when they are down, especially when the person doing the kicking is in only a slightly better situation themselves.

I suppose it help's one to cope with the poor reality of their own existence by making themselves feel superior to someone or anyone they can.


Just remember that in this unpredictible ever changing world it may only be a matter of a short time before you too will find yourself down and out and in need. Im sure it will be a humbling experience for some.


I had an uncle who was a banker. He was knocking me pretty hard the past few years for the position I am in. He just lost a few investments and his house. He shot himself in the head. Couldn't take the fall from the high horse.


Well said.
Those that do not have much can easily learn to do with even less.
Those that have much to loose, loose their identify when it all falls apart, because for many of those, money and wealth is what defines them as a "looser or winner" type person.
Reality is that material possessions do not make the person, but internal qualities such as compassion, honesty, empathy, and wisdom. Most of the Wall Street types that i have read about, or read their blogs, are the exact opposite, and look at those qualities as weaknesses.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by boncho
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So tell me, where was your solution there? You managed to fit in a couple seperate insults, but not one solution that I can see. So what is this bollocks now about how you are just trying to help find solutions?

You got your logical ass handed to you and now you are backpedaling.


Do you know what the integrety research institute is?

If not than why are you being so arrogant as though you do, you clearly do not understand the message?


Please tell me how applying for a job at a place that accepts "members" for a "donation", but has no link for "employment" or "career opportunities" is helping her?

It sounded like (and i think it still is) a shot at her "integrity" that you are trying to weasel out of.


Dude, thanks for pointing it out, this is what the chick has been passing off to me as legit. I said the exact same thing but she swears up and down that this place is 100% real when I have already debunked it.

Maybe you should read some more threads before you make judgements next time.

Start by reading this thread if you want the backstory to the current one.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

What? You don't think this energy can be extracted? You think it's sitting there detectable but untouchable? I don't. I know it can be extracted. "Perpetual bunkum" my tail end.


Okay, so why are you defending here. She clearly has no energy bills and holds the keys to technology that according to her 'can make money worthless' and none of us will have to work again. At the very least she can sell it for a few hundred million to the highest bidder.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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You guys are so ready to come to this womans defense and pity her, yet NOT ONE OF YOU have offered her any solution to her problems. At least boncho and I tried. I was taught that believing = receiving, so if you keep telling yourself you will never find a job, your not going to. Some really negative thinking out there. So what do you guys think she should do, I really want to know.

You guys can set there and bash me all day for being a sahm, but you make sure the next sentence is a suggest about how this woman can get out of the situation she is in.



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