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posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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I've given up on my local government. My wife and I were waiting to start a family because of my previous career field was slowing down. We became comfortable with the idea, got pregnant and I got laid off 2 months later. When I was laid off, I am grateful that I had unemployment I could fall back on until I got back up on my feet, yet we were denied 5 times for medical coverage for my pregnant wife because we made too much. We were over the cutoff point of monthly income by $600 the first, then her hours were cut back because of slow season so it was dropped to $200, then $100, $45, and if that wasn't disappointing enough recently denied because we were over by $15.

I've found a job, don't plan on applying again, we're trying to get with a company to cover us for the pregnancy and depending on how they treat us we might just keep them instead of going with my new job's insurance which kicks in the first of the month we're due for our boy.

Just ridiculous that we've been paying our taxes and had Medicare and all that garbage come out so that crack heads can collect and fix their teeth, pump out their crackwh*re babies with my money and not contribute to society. But when the hand that feeds the system is in need of help, which is why it is there, we're denied by $15. I can understand hundreds but when its practically pennies on the dollar its just too disappointing.

I'm not socialist, I am a citizen who gives to the government to help some other joe schmoe when their in a rut. But I expect to be helped in return. Like I said, I'm grateful they did help me with finances, but a pregnant woman who had a hard time being able to make appointments because we didn't have coverage or money? Come on.

F.Y.I. My recession lasted 64 days, I'm now a happily returned tax payer for my local dope addicts.




posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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I am not my brothers keeper.
I am not responsible for you and your actions, you are.
Stop whining about the world and make changes in YOUR life to better YOUR life.
Stop expecting everyone else to carry the bucket for YOUR gain.
Just because someone is wealthy does not mean they owe more to society. They own no more then everyone else.
Stop trying to force the plight of some onto all.
Stop trying to tear down some to better others.

This is the biggest load of crap thread that I have ever seen.

Great trolling though. You got me to reply.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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they do not.

you government borrows everything on its budget every year from the Fed at interest..

your IRS taxes pay this interest...

the rest is that National Debt you hear about..

get your story straight..

this is the third or fourth time Ive seen you ranting on with out any knowledge of said subject..

Deny Ignorance..



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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I am not my brothers keeper.


So, you are one of those "Me the Person" types? It's all about YOU, and Eff anyone else? Do you think that this might just be the real problem in America? The "me first" attitude?


I am not responsible for you and your actions, you are.


Of course I am responsible for my actions, I don't think I have said otherwise.


Stop whining about the world and make changes in YOUR life to better YOUR life.


Wait, Conservatives can whine and moan, but I can't? What's the fun in that? If Conservatives can dish it out, why can't they take it right back?


Stop expecting everyone else to carry the bucket for YOUR gain.


When did I say this? I don't think I have ever said such a thing.


Just because someone is wealthy does not mean they owe more to society. They own no more then everyone else.


Shouldn't a person that has gained more from a society be expected to contribute back to that society equitably?


Stop trying to force the plight of some onto all.


Isn't it "We the People"? If your the religious type, as evidenced by your reference above to the story of Cain and Able, doesn't the good book say,

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

bible.cc...


Stop trying to tear down some to better others.


But isn't that what Conservatives are trying to do? Tear down some to better others? Except that Conservatives want to tear down the weakest in society in order to give to those that already have the means to help themselves.


This is the biggest load of crap thread that I have ever seen.


Why? It's the exact argument that Conservatives give for getting rid of "entitlement" programs I just juxtaposed the military for "entitlement" in order to make a point. Does that mean that all threads dealing with the Conservative idea of ridding the US of any and all "entitlement" programs are just as much a load of crap?


Great trolling though. You got me to reply.


Thank you for your reply, now if you got my point perhaps you can think about it.



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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So, you are one of those "Me the Person" types? It's all about YOU, and Eff anyone else? Do you think that this might just be the real problem in America? The "me first" attitude?
No. I think the problem is the "You have more than me so give me yours" attitude.



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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No. I think the problem is the "You have more than me so give me yours" attitude.


But I don't have that attitude, as I have said before, I don't take food stamps, I don't receive welfare, I don't get disability, I don't get any "entitlement". I don't want any of his, I take care of myself.

But what I don't want too is if the day comes and I DO need something like Disability, or my Social Security, to have it gone thanks to "ME First, Eff You-ers" I don't WANT my Social Security given to Wall Street. I don't want that social safety net to be taken from people who need it by those that feel that people should starve and die.

I brought this thread up to a friend of mine, I said to him, why is it that we are supposed to pay for training for military personnel? We don't pay for the police officers to get trained, a person nowadays needs a degree in Criminal Justice and have to go through the police academy in order to become a police officer. We the Taxpayer don't pay for that, why should we pay for a soldier to get trained?

Why should I have to pay for his Montgomery GI Bill so that he can go to college?

When Conservatives talk about ending "entitlements" they forget the biggest socialist group out there, the military.

I completely understand that the Constitution says that we need an Army and Navy, why should we have to pay for the Air Force? Or the Marines? They aren't required by the Constitution.

When talking about cutting the budget, why aren't we talking about these things?



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno


But I don't have that attitude, as I have said before, I don't take food stamps, I don't receive welfare, I don't get disability, I don't get any "entitlement". I don't want any of his, I take care of myself.
You do get the hypocrisy engendered by your next statement, don't you?


But what I don't want too is if the day comes and I DO need something like Disability, or my Social Security, to have it gone thanks to "ME First, Eff You-ers"
So you don't want "your" entitlements now, you want them later? This makes you better than the welfare queen how?



I don't WANT my Social Security given to Wall Street.
There are two misconceptions in this statement. Let's address them. 1) "Your Social Security": You do not have a SS trust fund set aside. Your money pays for today's recipients. You do understand that, don't you?
2) The money is given to "wall street": There is no money to give to wall street or anybody else. There is no trust fund, there used to be but as I showed in another thread a couple weeks ago, the demonkrats raided that fund years ago. It no longer exists. What we have now is a giant "Ponzi Scheme". However the base of the pyramid is too small and the ponzi will collapse as they always do when you run out of new "investors" to buy into the scheme.



I don't want that social safety net to be taken from people who need it by those that feel that people should starve and die.
I am sorry, but there is no longer a "safety net" for any of us. The best net we could have had was a strong economy with good jobs for all who wanted them, but that is gone now. I blame the liberals for this. I blame the government and I blame the unions. They all contributed to the decline of our nation. The truth is people die, and more people are going to die. It is too late to stop that now. The best we could hope for is a complete collapse where millions will die in a short time frame while we rebuild and return to Constitutional governance.


I brought this thread up to a friend of mine, I said to him, why is it that we are supposed to pay for training for military personnel? We don't pay for the police officers to get trained, a person nowadays needs a degree in Criminal Justice and have to go through the police academy in order to become a police officer. We the Taxpayer don't pay for that, why should we pay for a soldier to get trained?
Do you actually believe that to be true? Have you ever heard of "pell grants" and "student loans"? Those are not the only ways that the taxpayer pays for law enforcement training. My ex-wife became a deputy sheriff. She went to school with her FUTURE employer paying for her AS degree and paying for her to attend the police academy. Where did that money come from? Some from federal grants(our tax dollars) and some from the sheriff's department training budget(local and state tax dollars).


Why should I have to pay for his Montgomery GI Bill so that he can go to college?
Talk to your congress critters. Tell them to eliminate the GI bill along with pell grants and student loans. I would not oppose you.


When Conservatives talk about ending "entitlements" they forget the biggest socialist group out there, the military.
There is absolutely nothing socialist about the US military. It is a totalitarian dictatorship.


I completely understand that the Constitution says that we need an Army and Navy, why should we have to pay for the Air Force? Or the Marines? They aren't required by the Constitution.
LOL. Are you aware of the history of the Marine Corps? They actually pre-date the official USN. The Air Force was originall the Army Air Corps. It split from the Army for administrative purposes. I suppose, theoretically, we could just combine all branches into "The US Military". Would that make you feel better?


In December of 1775, to aid in drafting plans in expanding the Continental Navy and to supervise the construction of vessels and procurement of naval equipment, the Continental Congress established a permanent committee for the Marine Corps,



When talking about cutting the budget, why aren't we talking about these things?
Why aren't we? The military needs to return home imo. All foreign bases need to be closed and foreign aid needs to be ended imo.
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posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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I do not want nor do I need help from the Govt. That is what you are preaching for.
I am all for charity and donation, just not forced by the Govt.


I am tired of all the belly aching about "We need to help people". I have yet to see where any Govt program has run without major issues, missing money and corruption.
I really don't care what you deem me. Call me selfish, me mentality or so on. Sticks and stones.
I am here on this earth to provide for myself. and my family. That is it. You are not here to provide for me.

Society did not make people wealthy, the person made themselves wealthy. They owe nothing to no one.
That is where your fatal flaw resides. You think that people are en debt and beholden to society. They are not.



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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People have their own approach to life, be self absorbed and mean, generous and loving or somewhere else on the continuum.

I personally don't mind my taxes being used to help those less fortunate than myself. I have enjoyed and reaped the benefits of living in a country where a person with will, ambition and not afraid to get their hands dirty can make an obscene amount of money. I feel it's an honor to be able to pay something into a system that respects the old and infirm and wants to take care of them.

However I resent my taxes being used for wars to benefit the oil companies and contractors like Haliburton that profit from the lives and blood of our children.

as Val said........"I don't pay taxes to buy lies"



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Citing Glen Beck as a reliable source instantly disqualifies you from having an opinion as he's so wrong on so many levels it would takes page upon page to sift through.



posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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So you don't want "your" entitlements now, you want them later? This makes you better than the welfare queen how?


I don't understand why Conservatives think that wanting something that you have paid for is wrong. Each and every paycheck I have paid into this system, why is it wrong to expect to have that investment mature, and reap the benefits of that investment?


1) "Your Social Security": You do not have a SS trust fund set aside. Your money pays for today's recipients. You do understand that, don't you?


That's not entirely correct, see todays recipients receive the money THEY have invested, and a small amount of what I have invested, but thanks to a tax hike signed by Reagan back in 1982 Social Security will remain solvent for another 40+ years.


2) The money is given to "wall street": There is no money to give to wall street or anybody else. There is no trust fund, there used to be but as I showed in another thread a couple weeks ago, the demonkrats raided that fund years ago. It no longer exists. What we have now is a giant "Ponzi Scheme". However the base of the pyramid is too small and the ponzi will collapse as they always do when you run out of new "investors" to buy into the scheme.


Actually Conservatives want to do just that, instead of us paying the government, they want us to give our money to Wall Street, because they think that Wall Street handles money much better than they do.

The problem with the Conservative idea of switching from Social Security to Wall Street is, if the government defaults on Social Security, they can be sued. If Wall Street looses your money, well it's tough titties.



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