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reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 11:32 PM by dontreally
reply to post by yourmaker



Humans work in packs?

While i agree humans are a social creature, and share that with animals, thats about as deep the connection goes between man and animals. Those who invoke nature, and who try to model man on nature, that is, the physical world, are in my mind a danger to individual liberty and freedom. Socialists like to think the 'collective' is more important than the indivudal, even to the degree that many can be sacrificed for the sake of the whole.

In Judaism, and this is something I absolutely respect, the individual is seen as a reflection of the collective. To kill one person is to damage the whole. To disregard just one person, and consider him expendable, is to diminish and degrade the moral quality of the whole.

Humans are ABOVE animals. Our nature is ABOVE that of wild animals. Any person who thinks conscience is unnatural is judging man by the standards of nature.

That is the core issue and delusion in pagan and modern socialistic (communism, liberal fascism, corporatism) philosophy. They pretend that man is just like any other creature. Look at the UN and Lucius trust and see that this philosophy is inspired by essentially pagan - gnostic and buddhist philosophies.


reply posted on 5-3-2011 @ 12:27 AM by ancientthunder
reply to post by GenerationXisMarching


Interesting reply, I would add to what you say with the idea that to give oneself or ones life for the benefit of another is very noble. But on the other hand, if that is not dovetailed with wisdom the act becomes one of ignorance. To not be wise when one acts is as bad as not being loving. Both acts need to be balanced together to have a beneficial effect.




reply posted on 5-3-2011 @ 12:44 AM by Ariess
hmm...interesting...
I would like to think I could sacrifice myself for anyone anytime in any situation. I think though, that such acts are impulsive and depend on certain situations. Different fears affect me differently. Like one time, my moms dog(black pug) got out at night and i had to chase it down. It thought I was playing with it so it kept running away. Then it ran into a semi-fast 4 lane road in the path of a truck. I instantly yelled HO! and jumped in front of it. It's tires squealed and barely missed me. Thinking back on this it was pretty stupid as i could have caused other people a lot of damage. I don't even like dogs. This other time, I was robbed at gun point. Even though that sound of the gun cocking shot me full of a heavy dose of adrenalin I didn't loose my head....in a couple ways...I know that wasn't a selfless act but in a similar situation i feel like i could sacrifice myself. Now if i spot a spider, any size or variety, I use anyone or thing as a shield.
I don't think i would be so forgiving with my vehicle as you would. Then again I don't lend it to anyone. If I did and they totaled it I would first make sure they were okay and all that. Once i was sure they were fine i would slap the # out of them and make them pay for it.
As for how common is it, I would have to say not at all. Even though 9 people out of 10 would say they would die for someone they loved or help someone in need i think only one of them would do something. Like all the videos coming out these days where people are being beaten, robbed, or whatever and everyone there doesn't move a finger.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 04:01 AM by polarwarrior
reply to post by AidanK



I wish there were more people like you in the world.

If I loaned my car to a friend and they totalled it, I wouldn't really care all that much and I wouldn't ask that they pay me back for it.


.....You don't have as much to stress over as most people huh?

Means instead of wasting your life trying to keep it, you probably enjoy it.

I just wouldn't go out of my way to survive. I can't imagine running or being terrified about impending death. It seems that most people talk of doing anything required to survive but I don't feel that way at all.


If I saw a train coming, I would step off the tracks. But I wouldn't act the way most people do when it comes to staying alive, you know like buying guns and all for self protection whats with that? They would rather murder someone than risk the chance that that person might harm them first.... total psychos. The destruction this attitude causes on a mass scale with war is just amazing.



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