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Originally posted by Essan
It's worth noting that Mathias declined to engage in a discussion on why the things people see and call chemtrails can't all just be contrails (mind, so have all the other chemtrails believers). Normally, when proposing a new hypothesis, the very first thing one does is demonstrate why the existing theory is wrong and cannot explain all observed facts. It's all well and good saying this or that could be happening, but when the purpose of the hypothesis is to explain an observation (chemtrails) then surely the first stage is to show they cannot be contrails? But no-one has ever done that - certainly not in any semi-scientific manner. Maybe there's a reason?
Its also worth noting that you are still here Essan. You made it clear that you were completely bored of this topic some 20 days ago yet here you are still going strong and posting more than anyone. Why is that?edit on 26-3-2011 by Seagle because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
...How can one deny something, that one sees with his own eyes? One cant. I grew up with contrails. When I was a boy in Germany, military jets where all over the sky, breaking the sound barrier with a great BOOOM that made the window panes rattle in their frames and the cuttlery clatter in the kitchen. I was liyng in the grss for countless hours, watching them jets zoom around and whizz past like arrows, and, yea, sometimes the did leave a longer contrail behind then at other times, but you NEVER saw them last as long as they do today.
And they also like to deem anyone of an opposing view point to be unintelligent, naive fools. Who are gullible, uninformed and/or misrepresenting the facts. Along with a long list of other derogatory terms that end with things like con artists and even dis-info agents.
You're being very closed minded and stubborn about something you know very little about obviously.
So far you have shown no proof that I am wrong. Like I said before...PROVE IT. Otherwise it's just your faith based opinion. Your persistent contrail "religion" is based on faulty predictions, limited study and inaccurate data.
Originally posted by Seagle
Its also worth noting that you are still here Essan. You made it clear that you were completely bored of this topic some 20 days ago yet here you are still going strong and posting more than anyone. Why is that?
Future Research • Improvement of modeling - Need better weather models - Include radiation/ temperature change estimates - Funding very limited in US - work continues with vigor in Europe
None of the old pictures I have seen posted show they same type of persistent contrail we see today. Totally bogus examples and clutching at straws to use those pictures as a comparison.
That study of man made contrail cirrus doesn't disprove geoengineering or that what they call contrails aren't actually chemtrails. I doubt NASA would ever use the word chemtrail even if it admitted to a spray program.
Since chemtrails are so widely known now why doesn't chemtrail investigators come forward and show the proof that all chemtrailers claim is out there yet not one extensive study where there have been samples that were taken from the so called chemtrails itself and not from the soil or water because those are not directly from the chemtrail.All I ask is show your best evidence and see what happens since your so certain chemtrail are not contrails.
My words make no implicit claim that it is happening in this case. But since there is proof that it has happened in the past. I have a right to be highly suspicious that it is happening again in this case.
protect our selves from people that disregard the rights of others and do not acquire proper informed consent when conducting experiments at our expense.
I still stand by the opinion that chemtrails are real. For what purpose I don't really know.
How about the fact every single one of you have been saying that there is not planes that spray.
The list shows then spraying for different purposes. Not just for insects. They sprayed oil dispersant into the gulf also. All they need to do is change the spray for whatever it is they want to do.