a CONDENSATION trail is formed usually at the edge of a wingtip or other relative sharp area's of a plane and lasts for approximately FIFTEEN
What you describe there is a COMPRESSION and EXPANSION effect. Air, when flowing over and around an airframe, will undergo some compression. Air
that is sufficiently "moist" (humid, high relative humidity) will, when compressed only a little, no longer be able to hold all of that water vapor,
and some will CONDENSE out, and become visible. Once the air returns to its previous state, no longer disturbed by the passage of the airplane, it
expands and the water evaporates back into the vapor state. There is the other component, expansion....and rapid cooling, FROM expansion, which will
also make water vapor condense. BOTH processes are at work, and contribute to what is seen.
This is rather basic science.
Condensation, from COMPRESSION / EXPANSION / TEMPERATURE effects:
ATR turboprop flight. Interesting spirals of vapour from the blade tips on takeoff as the compression of the air forces the humidity condensing
from vapour into liquid phase.
Starting at 2:00....and note how foggy/humid it is, that day. Also, temperature plays a role....warm air can hold much more water vapor, by weight,
than cold air.
Look how all of that very damp air makes the water vapor condense out, as it flows over the tops of the wings:
Also, at 1:30, the BA Boeing 737...look at the tips of the trailing edge flaps. Again, the airflow makes the air compress, here and there, as it
flows over the airplane's surfaces.
An F-14...extreme maneuvers, very humid day, high airspeeds:
MACH speed compression effect. Sonic boom. This jet is NOT SPRAYING ANYTHING!!!:
NOW....this is completely wrong!!!:
CHEMICAL trails come from the engine turbines of a plane....
.....the only "chemicals" are what's in the normal engine exhaust gasses, left over from the combustion of the fuel. Just as your automobile
exhaust has "chemicals" too, for same reason. Of course, if you want to get technical, WATER is a "chemical". It's a molecule, and that's
"chemistry"...so....water in the exhaust?? Yes, that too.....and you know what? The last part of the sentence YOU wrote, IS correct!!:
.... and form clouds which can en mass entirely cover a portion of the sky.
Yup! That is what happens, up at altitude. BUT, only when it is "moist" enough, and cold enough....and, then it is EXACTLY proper for normal
other clouds to form, too. I hope you won't insist on arguing that clouds don't form, and stay around for hours and hours???
You are the one who brought it up, therefore you are the one who has to prove it is being used.
Okay, Governmental Disinformationalist Debunkers.......how many of you have read some of the reports from the links today at anytime? Really,
Mathias that's just silly. We sound the same because the science is the same. It's why we feel safe saying there are no "chemtrails" with
reasonable sureity. Science, and relevent scientists agree with our side.
And you are showing a fallstreak hole. It is a natural formation caused by the Bergeron process, a chain-reaction started in a layer of stratus
clouds. Sometimes there is a contrail that starts the process, but it is only because they are providing the nucleating particles necessary for the
process to begin. As the condensation makes heavier water droplet/ice crystals, they fall leaving streaks called virga, because they
evaporate/sublime before reaching the ground.
Sometimes the process just starts, with no known cause, because that is the beauty and wonder of chaos theory.
It's not "chemtrails", it's a known.
So you don't believe in clouds?
You must not, because a cloud, which is water droplets or ice crystals and dirty air can and do persist for much longer than 15 seconds.
I say a contrail, which is what all the trails are, is ice crystals and exhaust fumes or dirty air. Therefore they can last and persist for hours,
drift for miles, spread out to a thin layer or be pulled apart and blown away by wind, just like a cloud can.
How does your theory fit clouds into the equation?
I should add there are uncountable amounts of rainwater data that show abnormal amounts of barium
Ground water and ground level air samples which do not exclude all other possible sources of the minerals involved are absolutely meaningless. Barium
is a crustal element, meaning it's in dirt. Anything that raises a cloud of dirt is putting barium in the air. It has applications in industry,
construction, and agriculture.
Barium is very, very common. It would be odd to not find it in a ground water source.
And the one test that seems to have started the whole thing, a news story from Louisiana is completely debunkable. Even the reporter admits he was
Keep up the good work MathiasAndrew. Chemtrails exist, that is a fact, and there are a number of different reasons for them. I do not know of or
believe that any organisation involved has the specific aim of poisoning the population but there is no doubt that what they are doing is not healthy
for people and definitely not for the enviroment.
Some Facts -
- Every US state already has laws in place to protect the practice.
Example: Colarado 36-20-123 (1) The mere dissemination of materials and substances into the atmosphere pursuant to an unauthorised project shall
not give rise to the contention or concept that the use of the atmosphere constitutes trespass or involves an actionable or enjoinable private or
- Debunkers do not deny that weather modification programmes exist, or that they involve chemicals being dispersed into the atmosphere from planes.
Their argument is usually that it is not a big industry which is wrong. Over 40 countries involved because if they don't seed and their neighbour
does, they will suffer dry conditions.
- US States are given the ultimatum of either undertaking regular cloud seeding or being risk being denied access to water reserves in dry times.
That is just cloud seeding. I won't even go into the increasing problem commercial airliners have been experiencing with solid particle deposits in
their fuel systems. Or that strict regulations relating to the use of fuel additives have been relaxed to allow the use of additives which have been
designed to fix the fuel system problems. And we definitely wont discuss that these additives were designed by a joint team from the petro-chemical
industry and the US department of defence.
S+F. Keep spreading, Ive stopped posting on ats cause the Admins allow Govt. Shills to destroy serious topics.
Childish behavior. But, just wait until the Govts. world wide announces 'the solution to the Cancer human cause of Global Warming' is the Shield of
Ra... Then you'll see a 180 turn around from these people,they must now troll every thread convinsing people it must be done in the name of Co2
destruction of the Planet...
i am sorry to inform you all that OP is under a posting ban at the moment
he sends this parting message:
Future NASA Aerosol Studies NASA's ongoing Atmospheric Effects of Aviation Project (AEAP) has measured emissions from the engines of several
commercial and research aircraft. Jet engine emissions have been shown to affect the concentrations of atmospheric water vapor and aerosols, and they
may affect how clouds form and the concentrations of atmospheric ozone. Few actual measurements of their effects have been made, however. In the
spring of 1996, the Subsonic Aircraft Contrail and Cloud Effects Special Study (SUCCESS) focused on subsonic aircraft contrails and the impact of the
aerosols in those contrails on cirrus clouds and atmospheric chemistry. Researchers have determined that aircraft contrails can prolong the presence
of high altitude cirrus clouds while also decreasing the size of the ice crystals that make up the clouds.Studies like SUCCESS and AEAP will be
ongoing as scientists continue to try to understand how aerosols affect our atmosphere and climate.
and let's all calm down TCOTBIP are having a laugh at us with the disinfo agents accusations.
remember: divide and conquer
also remember that not everybody with a materialist point of view is a DA, just a little close-minded, though i'll be fair and point out that
chadwickus seems more open minded than most, he's just waiting for proof. also pilots who post for the Contrail theory need to remember that just
because you are not in on the conspiracy, doesn't mean it doesn't exist,
what it means is you are being fooled/tricked too.
CTers need IMO to clean up their act a bit re providing evidence and need to better homework
chadwickus you say we need to get samples but do we really need a plane?
Chemtrails are what we call contrails or manmade cirrus - and they are formed by aircraft flying in the troposphere.
But by all means show me a photograph showing a chemtrail that can be proven not to be in the troposphere (excluding pictures of space shuttles etc)
I didn't have my video camera with me but when I came home this morning from London via DC in our Lear 55, we definitely made a contrail above the
tropopause when cruising at 51,000' over Labrador. (I looked when we turned leaving the North Atlantic Track) The troposphere ends at the tropopause
which is defined as the altitude where the lapse rate falls below (and stays below) 2 degrees C/km. The trop changes by day and night and by
latitude. It varies from around 36,000' in the polar regions to upwards of 58,000 at the equator. See
i'm a bit miffed that i didn't see you there; you changed avatars again.
why all the changes [sorry if OT but you did not visit my thread to explain why, and providing a link would be spamming ehh?] this one is definitely
better than Lucy
regarding my previous post and the question i directed towards chadwickus re necessary equipment required for a homemade drone to carry i'd
appreciate some input from you as well.
expecting prompt reply
P.S. no i am not taking over thread just participating.
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