reply to post by g146541
its okay to dismiss it as a fairytale...Especially given the history and especially given the modern official story that being taught people. I think
its coming around now though people are starting to actually read the bible and find such gross errors in the official stories we have been fed
atleast the last 100 years.
I was the same way raised southern baptist, fire and brimstone, give all you can to Jews for there gods people and your trash compared to them, god is
wrathful, your only hope is Jesus pray to him praise him and he will save you. Thats just some I can think of off the top of my head.
As I am much older and started lloking for answers in life. I reread the bible and got a whole different message then the first time. Almost like my
brain was filling in between the lines or rather piecing together what a passages meaning was not just the worded scripture itself. I began to see
that everything Jesus teaches is stuff almost all religions even atheyst, hold to be true. ex Do what though wilst shall be the whole of the law, but
love under will. Then I started to put together some of the things Jesus said with like say my understanding of Einsteins theories, and at that point
oh man did the reality of his messages start becoming more than "fairytale" but became truth.
Always remeber the bible doesnt validate gods authority, god does...And he delivers that authority to you to each of us we are born with it (our life
experience determines whether we keep it or not), in the the form of the "Holy Spirit" or spirit of truth, or divine consciencenous(i think i
mispelled). We are divine in spirit so says Jesus. We are gods children, and as such we are do the rights of a son, so says Jesus. If we are do the
rights of a son than life is ours to take if we chose, so says Jesus. We can always go the dark path, but the spirit wont follow, so says Jesus.
The gospel of John is the best read it really slows take you time and dwell on each scripture. The wisdom is there. The only failure is who is
teaching you what it says.
Thats my take anyhow and its never let me down. my brother once said that I am the only person he has met who can fall into crap time and time again,
but come out smelling like roses." I attribute that to the wisdom of the bible not the official version. Remeber Jesus did what he did to guide the
"sheep" back home so they would know who they were to be. Not so we can worship him, he said. Rather that we find the fathers praise.
The one primary logic that doesnt fit in the offical story is the worship of Jesus as the father, when he clearly stated over in over he came to do
the fathers will. If the son and father are completely one then why say it that way as son and father, why not just say father. And also on to that if
as Jesus stated, once you eventually become accepted as a son, why do you continue to ask for the only begotten sons help. I mean what son ask his
brother to help him talk to his father. Unless of course there is a division between a son and father. But once accepted that division should
disappear and one should be able to speak to his father face to face so to speak not through a mediator.
Cross -- father, son and holy spirit, the holy trinity. I asked my pastor to explain this to me he did I wasnt satisfied didnt follow alot of what
Jesus had said. So I said why am I not included...he just look at me like I am crazy. I said well without me/you/us/humans. They have no reason to
exist..he was speechless. He said the light will exist without me..I said true it may but who cares we arent around to experience it. Anyone else
hearing me here. He said well your flesh is darkness spirit is light went into adam eve blah blah we all heard the stories. My take was so darkenss
and light oppose each other, he agreed I said so how do you use your dark eyes (reading the bible)and dark ears (hearing him speek) and dark brain (to
put info together) to validate the light in yourself, you cant only the light can validate the spirit of truth for the world, flesh hates it.. he was
speechless again started looking at his watch. I felt I had learned all I would ever need from him.
But after a long winded thought here I can understand the crazieness with the bible. I blame it all on the banker er I mean teachers. Remember Jesus
doesnt save Jesus has already saved by agreeing to stand with you in judgement. he will stand with you before the father as your defence to be
considered a son. He will not do the work for you.