Ron Paul Asks Ben Bernanke: How Do You Define a Dollar?, page
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Topic started on 3-3-2011 @ 05:26 PM by ugie1028


Again, Ron Raul is the voice of reason. He brings up great points on how our economy really is with how weak the dollar is comped to gold.

What is the definition of a dollar?


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 05:38 PM by Hoping4Wisdom
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Nice find S + F from dis guy! It sickens me how often the one man who, right or wrong, has common sense answers to the problems we face is portrayed as a nutcase by ALL major media outlets. Complexity for the sake of complexity has been the economic norm in our country for too long.



reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 05:42 PM by rogerstigers
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So a dollar is defined by the goods and services that it can buy. Ok, I can see that. So when the cost of the goods and services climbs rapidly without a simultaneous increase in value, then that is inflation, based on my understanding.

So it seems to me that inflation is out of control, since cost of living has gone up a lot but value has not matched.


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 05:50 PM by Cobaltic1978
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Ron Paul is exposing the lies and deceit that has been pushed on the Freeworld for decades by TPTB that control the MSM.

The Dollar is likely to collapse within the next 12 Months and the U.S will experience inflation to a far greater extent than the U.K experienced in the 1970's. The Dollar will lose the status of reserve currency and the entire economy will collapse.

If I were Ron Paul I would be demanding that the reserve opens up Fort Knox for an immediate audit of the Gold reserves. Unfortunately though I think you will find that all the Gold was sold off by the Federal Reserve at least 40 years ago.


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 05:54 PM by Amaterasu
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I've been expecting hyperinflation any day now. With all the electronic "dollars" recently "created," there is nothing less TO expect.

Ron, you tell it like it is! Thanks OP!


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 05:58 PM by Cobaltic1978
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I was only very young, maybe three years old when hyperinflation hit the U.K. The Government of the day had no control over it and this lasted for at least ten years.

Living standards were not great, but we all got by. Unfortunately we do live in different times and I fear for my U.S cousins. Peace.


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 06:18 PM by tsawyer2
Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to
post by ugie1028



So a dollar is defined by the goods and services that it can buy. Ok, I can see that. So when the cost of the goods and services climbs rapidly without a simultaneous increase in value, then that is inflation, based on my understanding.

So it seems to me that inflation is out of control, since cost of living has gone up a lot but value has not matched.


You are right, so basically he is saying that a dollar is worth how much milk you can buy with it, or how much mortgage, but he avoids saying how much of something tangible and secure like gold it can be redeemed for. A dollar is defined by how much faith you have in the government and now today China announced that they will let the Yuan appreciate.

SHTF is coming to a Wal-Mart near you!

Off topic for RogersTigers:

I got three of the four lines in your signature. Line one is lyrics from Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Line three is a paraphrase or summary of 1 James in the Bible, and line four is from your own post in This ATS Thread. Where is line 2 from?
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reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 06:28 PM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
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post by Amaterasu



I was only very young, maybe three years old when hyperinflation hit the U.K. The Government of the day had no control over it and this lasted for at least ten years.

Living standards were not great, but we all got by. Unfortunately we do live in different times and I fear for my U.S cousins. Peace.


I'm thinking "money in a wheelbarrow to buy a loaf of bread" hyperinflation. Like pre-Nazi Germany hyperinflation...

Glad you survived the hyperinflation of your day. And thanks for you well-wishes.


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 06:29 PM by rogerstigers
Originally posted by tsawyer2
Off topic for RogersTigers:

I got three of the four lines in your signature. Line one is lyrics from Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Line three is a paraphrase or summary of 1 James in the Bible, and line four is from your own post in
This ATS Thread. Where is line 2 from?


You are correct on #1.
#2 comes from a bumber sticker sitting here on my desk
#3 is something I made up spur of the moment in ATS Chat the other day.. although, it is probably derived from a recorded passage in my head from the bible.. One can never have an original thought
#4 is indeed from that thread.



Now back to our regularly scheduled thread,


reply posted on 3-3-2011 @ 07:44 PM by Ahabstar
The simple answer is that as a member of Congress, Ron Paul should be able to give that answer fairly readily as per the US Constitution:


Article 1, Section 8
The Congress shall have power...

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;


The fact that it was turned over to the Federal Banking Reserve was wrong, and that Bernanke can not give a direct uniform value is frightening.

But then again, my definition of a dollar is a dollar's worth of labor. For minimum wage of $7.25/hr that is roughly 8 minutes and 17 seconds. The rank and file of Congress receive $174,000/yr. Since that is a flat rate and they often have longer sessions with several breaks, let's just assume a 40 hour week 52 weeks a year for $83.65 an hour. That is 43 seconds work for a dollar.

In other words, by the time a minimum wage worker at Mc Donalds has made $1 working the drive thru by filling 3 orders and welcoming the next car (company average time is 2 minutes 36 seconds). A Congressman (that isn't fulfilling the Constitutionally mandated requirements of the job) has made $11.56

That is the problem of describing relative purchasing power as the value of a dollar. Because assuming no other expenses, a 2011 Hyundai Accent GL for $10,705 (not including tax, title and destination charges--the cheapest car on the market). The worker at Mc Donald's will have to work roughly 1469 hours (or 37 weeks without income tax withholdings) the Congressman roughly 128 hours (or 3.2 weeks--same no income tax deductions) to pay for that car. Figure in average cost of living and it extends that timeframe naturally.

Fiat currency's greatest flaw is the relative purchasing power versus the amount of labour required to obtain it. And to put it all in perspective, as Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Congress paid Bernanke $199,700 in 2010. Which is less than Ron Paul was paid.
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reply posted on 23-3-2011 @ 06:53 PM by korathin
Originally posted by rogerstigers
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post by ugie1028



So a dollar is defined by the goods and services that it can buy. Ok, I can see that. So when the cost of the goods and services climbs rapidly without a simultaneous increase in value, then that is inflation, based on my understanding.

So it seems to me that inflation is out of control, since cost of living has gone up a lot but value has not matched.


This should be a bumper sticker.


reply posted on 23-3-2011 @ 08:31 PM by rogerstigers
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Lol.. I would have to condense it down to a five word catch phrase..
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