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Celente: this is the beginning of WWIII

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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Here is an interview with Gerald Celente, in my opinion, a very astute observer of economics, politics and world events.

I tend to agree with his statement that the uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East are the beginning of global class warfare, between the lower and middle classes who have less and less and the banking/corporate/political "so-called elite" who are hoarding more and more of the wealth.

Two quotes from the video:


When people lose everything and have nothing to lose, they lose it!




When money stops flowing to main street, blood starts flowing in the streets.


For those of us who believe that "one world order" is part of a "master plan", Celente supports our view with the solutions brought up by world leaders to this economic situation which all tend to "one world currency".

Enjoy, and discuss:


A situation to keep an eye on whether you believe the "one world order" conspiracy or not.

the Billmeister




posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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My only contention with the issue is that when people revolt due to class based reasons the target result is egalitarianism, which in the end only brings us right back to our present state, something people cannot understand. The only policy that ever united the classes and brought them together was implemented under Benjamin Disraeli's policies in the UK and the social structures which represented modern life in pre-revolution Western Europe.

If we cannot understand what hurts us, how can we ever make ourselves better?



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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I would like to hope that we could be reasonable enough to find solutions before the situation leads to violent revolt.

Just thinking out loud here (well typing, and really not that loud actually)...
What if, for example an income limit is set, let's say $100 million. When you achieve the accumulation of $100 million dollars you are out of the game and must leave your place to another player, like a marathon... once you have crossed the finish line, the race is over.

This is just an idea, and I'm sure many will find many faults with it, but let's admit that $100 million (for example) is a lot of money, and one really doesn't need to be more rich than filthy rich. Since there is a finite amount of liquidity in the markets (well, except for central banks who can print it at will) this would give a chance for more people to share a piece of the pie.

This may seem like a form of egalitarianism, but really, the incentive to perform remains.

Again, just a thought.

However, those that hold massive wealth now, will not likely be willing to give any of it away, even if it was not earned honestly. Perhaps, in their positions I would feel the same way... hey, I earned my 5 private jets and 50 Rolls Royces!

the Billmeister
edit on 3-3-2011 by Billmeister because: gammar and punctuation



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Just finished watching the video, quite interesting.

Currency wars, trade wars, all inevitably end in world wars. It is the fact of life. Brazil and Argentina are now having their markets flooded with cheap Chinese crap, they do not want it any more and rightfully so, Argentina should make all the goods for their country first then whatever they cannot make for themselves they purchase from overseas, this is done by import tariffs. If Brazil and/or Argentina put up tariffs tears will come to my eyes as I will finally see the world waking up from this failed nightmare called Liberalism. And if it takes a world war to wipe out globalism and internationalism, I am willing to risk potential death to guarantee that future generations will have a better life then we have.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
If Brazil and/or Argentina put up tariffs tears will come to my eyes as I will finally see the world waking up from this failed nightmare called Liberalism. And if it takes a world war to wipe out globalism and internationalism, I am willing to risk potential death to guarantee that future generations will have a better life then we have.


I agree that globalism and free trade seem to be much more beneficial to private corporate interests than the actual citizens of the countries involved. (Though the argument could be made that from a developing world point of view, the standard of living has increase significantly because of it.)

However, I do not see the link with liberalism.

In fact, free trade policies boomed under Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney governments, all of which are considered very conservative.

Though I must admit that I am quite the cynic when it comes to politics. I truly believe that most politicians claim to have certain ideologies, when in fact the only thing that matters to them is their personal financial interests, and this means bowing down to private corporate interests very frequently.

the Billmeister
edit on 3-3-2011 by Billmeister because: phrasing



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Will not and cannot happen for one reason, Democracy.

Fact is that campaigns have to be funded and politicians are technically up towards the top of the ladder in regards to power, so inevitably the wealthy bankers and businessmen will be trying to 'win' over their support for their businesses. Any such legislation to cap income would either be met with staunch opposition or it will be implemented and completely disregarded. That is the unfortunate fact of the matter.

People no longer have control over themselves, their family, or their community. All of which have been systematically stripped away from them for the bottom line. How many people know their local farmer? How many people know someone who owns a small store passed down from generation to generation? Much of that has been wiped out by the pursuit of the bottom line. Material wealth has now far surpassed the importance of any other issue, by arguing that policies should be implemented to allow the populace a greater opportunity at becoming wealthy all they have done is guaranteed that more people are impoverished and left to soak in their own sorrows.

By building up the individual you tear down the community, by tearing down the community you break down the power of the people, by breaking down the power of the people this allows for those wealthy businessmen to rake in the reward. By promising you opportunity at wealth all they are really promising you is the higher probability of poverty and desolation.

How do we fix it you might ask? Simple, disband all corporations at a certain point of wealth and turn the local franchises over to local individuals to take ownership of the business, not owned by any single person but rather a group of local residents. Disband all banks and ‘interest’, replace it with credit unions. Allow the state to help people own their own private means of production such as a farmer with his farm, a plumber with his tools, etc… Families would be given loans from the credit unions and perhaps the government to start small businesses owned solely by that family, and reintroduce guilds to end class division so that employees and employers are organized together for their invested interests in their specific trade.

The ideas of Solidarity and Subsidiarity are the only ways we will ever know true wealth and happiness again.

Please read here on an alternative societal model, which is opposed to both the materialistic ideas of Capitalism and Socialism: Distributism



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Politicians are all the same. This whole left wing right wing thing, is just there to divide us, so they can conquer us easier



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Billmeister
However, I do not see the link with liberalism.

In fact, free trade policies boomed under Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney governments, all of which are considered very conservative.


My friend I have so much to teach you.


First let me make it clear that Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney were not Conservatives by any definition of the word. They were Socially Conservative Classical liberals, the United States does not have real conservatism as conservatism is not aligned with Capitalism, they are mutually opposed. The ideas of true Conservatism have been mostly abandoned by mainstream politics and replaced with center-right liberalism, Classical liberalism, Conservative liberalism, Liberal conservatism, whatever the heck they want to call it now.

Free-trade is a key principle of Liberalism, always has been, and all proponents of Free-trade adhere to liberal economic principles. Which are not conservative by any stretch of the imagination.


Though I must admit that I am quite the cynic when it comes to politics. I truly believe that most politicians claim to have certain ideologies, when in fact the only thing that matters to them is their personal financial interests, and this means bowing down to private corporate interests very frequently.


Maybe I do not have much to teach you after all.


What they call as conservative today is not conservatism and resembles nothing of conservatism. Does Reagan or Bush remind you at all of Joseph de Maistre, Alexander Hamilton, Edmund Burke, or even Thomas Carlyle? Hell no! Our modern day politicians from Communists and Anarchists to so called 'conservatives' are all materialists and children of the enlightenment. Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, are all the ideas founded from the enlightenment, Conservatism is the opposition to many, if not all, of the enlightenment principles.

Those who believe in republicanism cannot be Conservatives either. Republicanism is also a Liberal idea formed from the enlightenment, democracy and constitutionalism however can be included in the realm of Conservatism but so long as it is revolving around a monarchy.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Man that guy has a crazy accent..


I agree with what he is saying.. especially at the end. The break down of the system. It usually takes a number of years, but when it reaches the tipping point, only a very small thing will set it off and the world is plunged into chaos.

Here is my concern... if the Mega-Corps win WW III, then they are locked in for a few centuries at least. They will have control of the governments and the new flow to the point that civil liberties will be destroyed.. of course, this will all be under the guise of "security" which is so much easier to sell during or immediately after a war. Peace is bad for business because "the people" begin to get impertinant and believe they can have some say in their lives. Can't have that.

So if this thing goes hot in our lifetimes (very likely) it will be very important to make sure who's fighting who and why.




Please read here on an alternative societal model, which is opposed to both the materialistic ideas of Capitalism and Socialism: Distributism


Hmm.. I guess I would be considered a Distributist... I prefer the idea of small and managable to large and cumbersome. Give the people control over their own fates again and keep things small. Let communities collaborate on production and profit from it. But never again allow the existance of Corporations.

Course, one has to make sure that "Company Towns" don't inadvertedly return.
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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I think we are very much in agreement.

My original thoughts were ideological, but, from a pragmatic standpoint, I am not naive enough to think it will ever come about. As you relevantly point out, those who have the wealth with the status quo being the way it is, also have the power to insure that it remains that way.

I very much agree, that, if we all spent money in a concentric circle, keeping the dollars as close to our communities as possible, the economy would be in much better shape.
For example, if it costs $20 dollars more to buy a shirt from the local seamstress, but the seamstress also spends that extra $20 dollars locally, the economy would be in much better shape than shipping off 100% of our money oversees to save a $20 that we have no chance of ever seeing again.

If that makes any sense?

the Billmeister



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Here are some statements regarding Distributism.

Thomas Storck argues that "both socialism and capitalism are products of the European Enlightenment and are thus modernizing and anti-traditional forces. In contrast, distributism seeks to subordinate economic activity to human life as a whole, to our spiritual life, our intellectual life, our family life".

A summary of distributism is found in Chesterton's statement: "Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists."

In Rerum Novarum, Leo XIII states that people are likely to work harder and with greater commitment if they themselves possess the land on which they labour, which in turn will benefit them and their families as workers will be able to provide for themselves and their household. He puts forward the idea that when men have the opportunity to possess property and work on it, they will “learn to love the very soil which yields in response to the labor of their hands, not only food to eat, but an abundance of the good things for themselves and those that are dear to them.” He states also that owning property is not only beneficial for a person and their family, but is in fact a right, due to God having “...given the earth for the use and enjoyment of the whole human race”.

He [G.K. Chesterton] states “Property is merely the art of the democracy. It means that every man should have something that he can shape in his own image, as he is shaped in the image of heaven. But because he is not God, but only a graven image of God, his self-expression must deal with limits; properly with limits that are strict and even small.”

Pope Pius XI, in Quadragesimo Anno, provided the classical statement of the principle: "Just as it is gravely wrong to take from individuals what they can accomplish by their own initiative and industry and give it to the community, so also it is an injustice and at the same time a grave evil and disturbance of right order to assign to a greater and higher association what lesser and subordinate organizations can do."

Pope Pius XI further stated, again in Quadragesimo Anno, "every social activity ought of its very nature to furnish help to the members of the body social, and never destroy and absorb them."




I love Distributist principles and ideas, in my opinion unless we can return to these principles very soon we will have two choices to make. Do we want Plutarchic Capitalism or State Socialism?



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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bumping because this is an interesting conversation that apparently is not angry or partisan enough to attract attention.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Quite an interesting take on our conversation here. Now that one is completely civil and perhaps educational it is avoided.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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I've heard Gerald Celente before and I was led to believe him to be quite knowledgable and reasonablly accurate in his predictions....... Is this video and his views to be taken seriously ?

Are we really on the Cusp of a more broader situation to which most seem oblivious or unwilling to accept ?

Regards

PDUK
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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He is just stating what we all or most of us already knew, it's just scary to hear someone of his stature to come out and say it. The next question is how can a third world war be averted and who will be the first major player to fire the first salvo? I wish our leaders and I use that term loosely would just be honest with us about what is potentially coming so it could possibly be avoided.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Gerald is bang on the money and ironically enough all of these riots around the globe are about just that - M.O.N.E.Y and equality.

Nothing else - no matter what the media might say.

The global economy is finished and the riots we are witnessing in ME and North Africa are going to get much much worse and are already spreading at an alarming rate.

We now have violent riots going on in Croatian capital Zagreb and Serbian capital Belgrade as well as a large number of other countries that are receiving virtually no mainstream media coverage.

Hold on to your loved ones. The brown stuff is about to hit the spinny thing. BIGTIME!



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Im thiking..we should have a million man march...straight to the gates of the federal reserve, and demand our money back...get in somehow, destroy the money machine with baseball bats, iron clubs n bars, crowbars, tear the place apart ( but dont steal the gold or anything, make us all look bad then) hang around 3 ro 4 days then leave



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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as an old saying goes! if you cant fix it...break it!



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Most of it is a another way to harness weath, it's a concept of middle men who also position themselves in the middle of it, there system, there game, they fight over the rules and application. In the end it's only a concept, Do I need this concept in my life absolutly not, Is it shovelled down my throat by force yes!!! by the mofia that runs it.
As the population grow and rise they extort the crap out of it, we need this we need that. No you want this and you want that. They redefined a need to a want. A wantingneed see a new math of middle man slang all I have to do is sell with a percentage in structure, Just because I'm born into a system does not mean I agree with it or find vaildation in it. Than people come into it trying to fix it, when it's only a game that ignorant children play.
If WW3 causes it to collaspe was it real? No. It's a game of in lue of inlue of this concept which becomes real in our reality as we believe in the belief of it, Ignorance is truly not bliss!
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Amazing video OP.

I will be keeping my eye open to see if more protests erupt in Europe very soon. I know theres already some that happened a few months ago and some that are still going on right now (UK for example). Croatia and North Cyprus are the most recent countries that have started massive protests, atleast from what I know.

I think its only a matter of time until all of the EU is up in protest.



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