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EXCLUSIVE "What in The World Are They Spraying" Chemist talks to ATS about Geoengineering.

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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reply to post by Doomzilla
 

You could always check the sources provided or do some research to refute.

My guess is that when members become the topic of discussion (instead of the thread topic) the mods are compelled to do something about it.

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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This thread has become a total mess. As usual, any REAL scientists have long given up.

The usual few professional debunkers have done their job well in making sure any valuable or pertinent information is buried in a sea of BS.

Fortunately, most members are smart enough to realize how improbable it would be if frozen water vapor from commercial aircraft could turn clear blue skies completely overcast in a couple hours.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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The topic is Not a given member's self, character, person or Perceived credentials ...

If you take issue with their post(s) or sources ... Please Do So ... relevant to the Content

BUT ... do Not address or focus replies on the Individual member.

It's quite simple ... and those found to be doing so, going forward, Are and Will be subject to administrative action.

Address the ball and Not the player.


Thank you.






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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2cBUT ... do Not address or focus replies on the Individual member.

Address the ball and Not the player.


Thank you.


I thank all the moderators for their hard work.

But there is a very real issue here. Most are "playing the game" focused on the ball. Others are playing a different game... which has nothing to do with the "ball" (the subject of the thread).

Extreem frustration is being raised by those that want to "play the game". Indeed one of the points of this game, within the game, is to provoke the other players to commit a foul. So those expressing frustration are being shot down while the ones playing a different game are allowed to continue.

I feel like I have to spend half of each reply pointing out where someone is playing a different game.

It is obvious to those familiar with the techniques and who have been watching this action taking place.

But to those not familiar that want to come in and learn it is NOT obvious and it totally confuses or misdirects the honest searcher. ...... which is the whole purpose of those playing this different game.

I have no problem with any person in this thread, and respect all involved, but detest this second game being played. This second game is almost impossible to moderate as it is played within the context of the first one so seemingly "plays by the rules" of the first.

I hope that makes sense to everyone.


Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze
 

I did not deny that chaff gets to Shasta.


The military chaff is causing germs from the high level to come down just like the geoengineers in the beginning of the movie theorize geoengineering would do so they are hesitant to begin.



So I have found a source for Aluminum on Mt. Shasta.


Quite definitive statements for someone who is neutral on the subject.

BTW, what germs? If those bad germs are at the levels planes are "spraying", wouldn't the planes be bringing them down too? Should they be disinfected upon landing?

I've found a source too. Dust.

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You were denying, or more importantly making it seem like you denied, that the chaff got to Mt. Shasta and even if it did it was not a source of the aluminum. It does get there and it is a source.

It is a definitive statement because it is proven. You can insinuate what you will, but I ask that you stick to playing the game, not playing the player. Thank you. That statement does nothing but attempt to provoke a reaction to make other players seem foolish.

Maybe the Gobi dust, but the local might or might not be a source. There is an inversion layer or something on Mt. Shasta that the Forester says keeps it from getting up where they took the sample. Ask the Forester Saturday.

The germs that the geoengineering experts say are there and they fear geoengineering will bring down. Ones with a lot more expertise than you or me. The ones observed in samples collected from the contrail like chaff brought down.


Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant increase in chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase in chemtrail "spraying" activity in their areas; some are reporting the development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that they have never before experienced.

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I have enjoyed our fact based discourses, but I rapidly tire of the other techniques. Please stick to strait forward discussion or I will not respond. Thank you.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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Please. Please read what I wrote. I said that chaff may have gotten to Shasta. I said that the video was not conclusive evidence of it. If the wind had been blowing at 50 mph it still would have taken an hour to get there as it descended. Wind changes direction both with altitude and location. The video may be evidence but it is not proof.

I'm sorry. I cannot take an article from the Idaho Observer seriously.
www.proliberty.com...
www.proliberty.com...
www.proliberty.com...

Pneumonia is a condition can be caused by a virus, fungus, or bacteria. There is no such thing as pneumonia bacteria.

Acetylcholine chloride is pretty harmless stuff. Doctors put it directly into eyes to dilate the iris.

Chaff contains arsenic, gold, lead, mercury, silver, uranium and zinc?

Mold is everywhere.

Viruses are everywhere.

Cancers? What? Skin cancers? Lung cancers? Prostate cancers?

Sounds like Sorcha Fall article. Starts with a fact or two then watch out! I seriously doubt that any testing was done on anything.


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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by pianopraze
 

To begin with ‘Chaff’ is not the white fluffy clouds that chemtrail believers point to while jumping up and down screaming, “they are spraying us”. Chaff is only used in training and combat, and training is done in areas that are restricted for military exercises (MOA’s), they don’t just fly around dumping chaff all over the place. Even if mount Shasta were located under Miramar there is not enough chaff dumped to cover a mountain. There is much more aluminum dust spread each year by camping equipment and RV’s.

BTW, some of these links that you are sending us to are highly suspect, and I hardly consider sources such as proliberty.com to be credible. Additionally the supposed family that is claiming a grievance about exposure to chaff, is only making a claim, there is nothing to indicate that it’s a valid claim. People make claims of the US government all the time, knowing that the US has deep pockets, and if they think they can blame their medical expenses on the government, they certainly will.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Phage
Sounds like Sorcha Fall article. Starts with a fact or two then watch out! I seriously doubt that any testing was done on anything.

However, Sorcha Faal normally blames untraceable sources for her delusional information, Russian Scientists being her favorite.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Using Sorcha Faal as a straw man, eh Mr. Moderator?

I see you've learned from the best...



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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I don't expect the good doctor back..
Why would he want to answer questions in such a hostile environment.?

The lads have done their job well...
Thread derailed..



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Actually I was pointing out that it was NOT Sarcha Faal if you read it.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Indeed backinblack, and I'm too weary of the second game. Hopefully we have exposed the second game well enough so that it is obvious to all.

Phage, I really enjoyed the beginning of our conversation in the first thread. I'm done buddy. Have fun
All the info is there, you are doing what you do. I see what's what and there's no use using any more words, at least for me.

Weed, I enjoyed the contrail paper, keep posting and I'll keep reading.

Good doctor, I do hope you will compile those talking points/fact sheet you mentioned after saturday.

BTS your info is incredible keep up the great research. Almost all my info came from her posts in her threads buy the way for anyone looking for info. All credit to her.

Fly, Doom... don't let yourselves get upset mates
Just figure out how to work the rules. You have great points

GoldenFleece, you are absolutely correct. A total mess.

I'm busy doing some creative projects (or trying to help as best I can) that might or might not be revealed on ATS so I'll monitor the thread and post to new posters or interesting comments, but I'm pretty much backing out and waiting for Saturday night. I am very happy we are getting this discussion together.

Nef, thank you for putting the discussion together, and all you and the rest of ATS live cast do. It is my second favorite show behind Coast to Coast AM. I look forward to it every saturday night! I especially look forward to this weeks! Keep up the great work. All your guys' hard work and effort are greatly appreciated.

To all, I'm very sad what has happened to this thread.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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Ok so let me get this straight, and I have been following since page 1.

We have a wonderful thread created with an opportunity to converse with a verified chemist, who also happens to be in an important documentary (for some of us).

Yet we can't, because certain members had to flex their ego's and derail the thread with hostility, condescension, and blatant obfuscation techniques.

I am appalled and ashamed at this website with whom I hold with such regard.

However, as the OP and Golden Fleece have already stated the techniques are obvious as are the players....and please don't try to insinuate that to mean all non believers of chemtrails, as that is simply not the case. There is a distinct difference between giving an opinion instead of incessantly repeating the same response over and over to the point of literally jamming it down someone's throat.

No worries because I know that they are many like myself who are smart enough to understand the saying, "Thou doth protest too much." We are very much on the right track that I can assure you.

I can only hope that more good members of this site come to the forefront of this thread and express their right to be able to discuss any topic they like, no matter how controversial, in a fair and balanced manner. Particularly when discussing such an important topic as this.

I truly hope that ATS ownership addresses this issue immediately as this epidemic as become quite rampant in certain key topics **cough**.

Good Doctor, please rejoin the discussion at your convenience. They are many of us who value your expertise concerning this issue.

Thank you.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Many of us are looking forward to the ATS Live! show with Dr Thyme.

Pianopraze, thanks for all of your work in gettting the Dr. on the show.!

With the U.S. at a 2 billion dollar a year budget for Geoengineering in 2011,
truth stands to reason. Looking forward to your video project.


All the government agencies ...er um complicit um er... I mean con agencies.


downloads.globalchange.gov...

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posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by pianopraze
 
With the U.S. at a 2 billion dollar a year budget for Geoengineering in 2011,
truth stands to reason. Looking forward to your video project.


...... 2... Billion???.....


Now I see why they want to cut social security



OnTheFelt, good to hear from you, I do hope you and others post. Thank you.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by pianopraze

Extreem frustration is being raised by those that want to "play the game". Indeed one of the points of this game, within the game, is to provoke the other players to commit a foul. So those expressing frustration are being shot down while the ones playing a different game are allowed to continue.

I feel like I have to spend half of each reply pointing out where someone is playing a different game.

It is obvious to those familiar with the techniques and who have been watching this action taking place.



I agree. As with all threads in which chemtrails are discussed, this one has degenerated into a melee of conflicting ideas and opinions, often with little or no relevance to the original subect, and with no regard for hard fact or scientific research.

And when people consider a youtube video takes precedence over 100s of scientific papers you know there's really little point in continuing.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by OnTheFelt
No worries because I know that they are many like myself who are smart enough to understand the saying, "Thou doth protest too much." We are very much on the right track that I can assure you.

I can only hope that more good members of this site come to the forefront of this thread and express their right to be able to discuss any topic they like, no matter how controversial, in a fair and balanced manner. Particularly when discussing such an important topic as this.

I truly hope that ATS ownership addresses this issue immediately as this epidemic as become quite rampant in certain key topics **cough**.

Well, good luck with that last hope!

I've seen this happen in the 9/11 Forum, big time. I've seen it in the 2012 Forum, bigger time. I've seen it in discussions about HAARP, NASA, mysterious west coast missile launches and especially chemtrails (aka "Project Cloverleaf"), which I've read is one of the blackest and most top secret projects, which would explain the extraordinary amount of doth protesting.

But as you've correctly surmised, these guys are actually a bigger barometer of the truth than they realize. Whenever I see our officious know-it-all intracellular parasite and his non-flying "airline pilot" sidekick tell me that an obvious 90 degree straight up missile launch off the coast of LA was really a "airline contrail" or that frozen water vapor exhaust from commercial aircraft can turn a clear blue sky overcast, I know the exact opposite is true.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
.... that frozen water vapor exhaust from commercial aircraft can turn a clear blue sky overcast, I know the exact opposite is true.



So when a meteorologist says a rainbow is caused by refraction of sunlight through water droplets, you know it's not true. When he says that thunder and lightning are not caused by the gods fighting, you know it's not true. When he says cyclones in the northern hemisphere rotate anti-clockwise you know it is not true. And when he says that water vapour from a jet engine exhaust freezes into ice particles which can spread just like naturally occuring ice particles in the atmosphere (ie cirrus clouds) you know it is not true.

Why do you deny fundamental, basic, meteorology?



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Nothing wrong with fundamental basic meteorology, but as we all know, that's not the topic of discussion here; but nice try. You seem to be the friendly face of uber-skepticism on ATS (as in, you're not an out-and-out pseudoskeptic), and you have arrived at an opportune time. Even our complaints about how and why this thread was derailed are distorted by your twisting of words and underhanded sniping... This thread was derailed by pseudo-skeptics and their games, and some poor (but understandable) reactions from users (myself included). It was not derailed by anyone failing to understand or research correctly.

The subject of chemtrails is definitely being closely watched by the resident pseudoskeptics, who, as per GoldenFleece, protesteth too muchly... Within a few minutes of a thread on the subject going up, you can almost guarantee that one or more of the regulars will be in there with condescending remarks, a sprinkling of ridicule, and links to propaganda sites. I honestly believe that a couple of them have access to software that incorporates automated keyword searches/ alerts and persona management (something along the lines of THIS...) - it would pick up words/phrases like 'aerosols', 'chemtrails', 'barium', 'aluminium', 'fuel additives' and so forth, perhaps sending the agent in question an SMS / desktop alarm to jump into the discussion and begin standard protocol derailing and debunking.

I'm done with this thread, and damn-near done with this topic, having only just gotten started with the research.

I have been told that I am not allowed to comment on the behaviour of another user in-thread (oops - sorry Essan, my bad). However, as can be seen from many other forums on ATS, such behaviour is ordinarily acceptable, and sometimes even borders on cyber-bullying (the Gray area has many examples).


Fly.


NB - this bit is mildly off-topic, but seems relevant: I had a revelation last night, about how the game within a game operates. The overarching infrastructure provides a genial, neutral framework, and the players shift around within that framework according to certain parameters of tone, phrasing etc, knowing that they can debase and ridicule, muddy and detract with ease - the framework is set up to accommodate them (if not at the outset, then certainly now by design and infiltration). They rarely get 'modded' because they are used to pushing the limits of the t's and c's. That's what they do, and they are well-practiced...



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Well, are you a meteorologist?

Let's test my theory.

What's this?


a) That's some kind of missile if I've ever seen one.

b) That's U.S. Airways flight 808 on a shortcut from Honolulu to Phoenix.

c) That's Captain Weedwhacker pulling a hammerhead in his aerobatic 777.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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d) It has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

I'll pick d) thanks!

You berate others for derailing the topic but do it yourself.

Stop derailing from the subject of the thread and stop speaking in forked tongues.


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