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EXCLUSIVE "What in The World Are They Spraying" Chemist talks to ATS about Geoengineering.

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Here's the full quote.


• Chaff disintegrates on land. It decomposes slowly in arid areas and has no
adverse effects on soil chemistry and plant growth. Chaff interference with
wildlife is expected to be negligible based on chaff use, characteristics,
and observed accumulations.



Chaff could have made it to Shasta though I would hardly call the radar images conclusive evidence of it. The tape stops with the chaff at least 50 miles from Shasta.

Would chaff account for the aluminum found around Shasta? It doesn't have to and it's unlikely that it does. What a more recent report says. And before you complain about the source, please note the panel who did the research.

Geochemical significance of chaff deposition. Chaff is approximately 60% glass fibers and
40% aluminum by weight (Rock, 1999). To put this in a geochemical perspective, the
deposition of chaff can be compared with airborne dusts found in the high desert environment.
The comparison to desert dust is relevant because the composition of dust is dominated by
silicon dioxide (SiO2) and aluminum oxide (Al2O3), which are the most common minerals in the
Earth’s crust (Pye, l987)
www.iemr.org...

The area immediately north and northeast of Mt. Shasta is high desert.
www.thetownmenu.com...


But I thought the premise was that the aluminum found around Shasta was the result of geoengineering. Is ECM chaff considered part of the geoengineering scheme or are we back calling everything (geoengineering, cloud seeding, chaff) "chemtrails".




posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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VTRPE is a computer model. It is not a real thing.

Please provide a credible source regarding the use of barium or other materials to enhance RF ducting.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 

VTRPE is a computer model. It is not a real thing.



"It is not a real thing".


User's guide for the VTRPE (Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation) computer model
Ryan, Frank J.
Final Report, May 1990 - Sep. 1991 Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA.



adsabs.harvard.edu...

Matthew K. Doggett; AIR FORCE INST OF TECH WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB OH


The Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation (VTRPE) computer model is a powerful and flexible program that provides calculations of the radar propagation conditions of the atmosphere. It is limited however, by the accuracy and resolution of the input data. This study quantifies the sensitivity of the VTRPE model to the accuracy and resolution of the atmospheric parameters that go into it. Also, two case studies are examined to test the utility of VTRPE in operational use. The sensitivity to measurements of pressure, temperature, and humidity was found to be dependent on the meteorological environment. In standard and subrefractive environments, average values of Root Mean Squared Error in calculating propagation pathloss were greatest for measurement errors in humidity. While the overall RMSE averaged only 0.5% to 5%, in certain regions the errors in calculating pathloss were as high as 20%. VTRPE was used to calculate possible height errors when birds were detected at long ranges from a WSR-88D radar in a ducting environment. While the radar assumes a standard atmosphere when calculating height, results from VTRPE suggest that this resulted in possible height errors of over 3 km. Another case study of detected anomalous propagation was examined to determine the effects of multiple soundings in the VTRPE calculation of propagation pathloss. In this example, the effect of assuming a homogeneous atmosphere resulted in propagation pathloss errors of up to 30%.


www.stormingmedia.us...



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze
 

Here's the full quote.

Chaff could have made it to Shasta though I would hardly call the radar images conclusive evidence of it. The tape stops with the chaff at least 50 miles from Shasta.

Would chaff account for the aluminum found around Shasta? It doesn't have to and it's unlikely that it does. What a more recent report says. And before you complain about the source, please note the panel who did the research.

But I thought the premise was that the aluminum found around Shasta was the result of geoengineering. Is ECM chaff considered part of the geoengineering scheme or are we back calling everything (geoengineering, cloud seeding, chaff) "chemtrails".




ROFLOL... it is still moving south... the Radar stops at 5pm... the time of the weather report... but the chaff is still spreading south, I'm sure it makes it another 50 miles. This is one day, they do it more than one day a year... if not that day, others... also chaff, per ibid source from my post can stay for a long time.

I'm not looking to prove the movies premise, I'm looking for explanations of observed phenomenon from the movie. There is increased Aluminum per the movie... well.... I've found reason for this increased aluminum! I wonder what the solar house guy on the movie is seeing is the chaff. I've not seen these wide area chaff dispersals. Per the news article on chaff, it can look like contrails.

I'm not the one with the close mind. I'm more neutral on this subject as I said all along. I'm not out to "prove geoengineering". I think there is serious reason to examine if they have started geoengineering. I also think that if it has not started we need to stop before it begins. The military chaff is causing germs from the high level to come down just like the geoengineers in the beginning of the movie theorize geoengineering would do so they are hesitant to begin.

There are a variety of chaff so don't hold to close to that one description. That's also in the ibid source from my last post.

So I have found a source for Aluminum on Mt. Shasta. Now what could cause the Barium and Strontium? Dust is a possibility, we need to understand what the forester is saying as to why the mountain top is protected by some layer of air, and if this is a valid reason that no dust could get up there. Also I want analysis of the gobi sand particulates as these might be a source as well even if there is a shield from lower air particulates.

So I have found one thing in the world they are spraying... and it matches observed phenomenon.
Aluminum chaff from the military.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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You really need to read what you post

User's guide for the VTRPE (Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation) computer model


You do know what a computer model is don't you. It's a simulator. VTRPE is a simulator it is not radar system.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 

VTRPE is a computer model. It is not a real thing.






Who do you think you are fooling? VTRPE is REAL.


VTRPE - component in use in Weapons System - The Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) and Cryptologic Management (CM). They are supported by the Naval Information Warfare Activity (NIWA, aka SPAWAR PMW.
www.globalsecurity.org...

Its common knowledge of a Top Secret Military Warfare System.

Its use is referenced no less than 4 times here in use in a declassified document.

Investigation of Plasma Phenomena in the
Ionosphere Under Natural Conditions and Under
Conditions Artificially Perturbed by HAARP


A Matlab translation script was generated to convert
the CREDO output model to the data format required by VTRPE


www.dtic.mil...
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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I did not deny that chaff gets to Shasta.


The military chaff is causing germs from the high level to come down just like the geoengineers in the beginning of the movie theorize geoengineering would do so they are hesitant to begin.



So I have found a source for Aluminum on Mt. Shasta.


Quite definitive statements for someone who is neutral on the subject.

BTW, what germs? If those bad germs are at the levels planes are "spraying", wouldn't the planes be bringing them down too? Should they be disinfected upon landing?

I've found a source too. Dust.

edit on 3/8/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Putting "Common knowledge" and "top secret" together is sort of oxymoronic don't you think?

You really need to stop just posting stuff without taking the time to understand it. So what if VTRPE is "mentioned" four times? Don't you think the context of the usage means anything? Don't you think understanding what is actually being studied is important? If you actually read that source instead of just searching for an acronym it, you find it's talking about taking output from one simulator and using it in the VTRPE model. It also talks about using real radar.

BTW, the article was not "declassified". It was never classified.

This report is published in the interest of scientific and technical information exchange
and its publication does not constitute the Government’s approval or disapproval of its
ideas or findings.



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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 

VTRPE is a computer model. It is not a real thing.



First you said it was 'not real"

Now your complaining that I've proved it to be real.





Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 


You really need to stop just posting stuff without taking the time to understand it.


Phage, I think you are the only one that does not understand it.



This report is published in the interest of scientific and technical information exchange
and its publication does not constitute the Government’s approval or disapproval of its
ideas or findings.



Even the gubberment understands.
the concept of scientific information exchange.


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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Ok. It's a real computer model. Do you consider computer models to be "real".

Now, instead of just blitzing links with no comments, can you explain what it has to do with geoengineering or aluminum in the Shasta region?



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
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You are like the Galileo of ats .


Indeed. And whilst Galileo was wrong, he was more right than those who wanted to kill him


But what are your qualifications when it comes to geoengineering?

I assume you have been studying the subect and therefore know, for example, about the paper referred to here:

Geoengineering To Mitigate Global Warming May Cause Other Environmental Harm

and I'd be interested therefore to know what your thoughts were at the time and whether they have changed since.

edit on 8-3-2011 by Essan because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 

VTRPE is a computer model. It is not a real thing.


Then....


Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
 

Ok. It's a real computer model. Do you consider computer models to be "real".



*Face Palm*


Does the Navy consider the VTRPE to be "real"? For that matter, how about The Air Force?

Matthew K. Doggett; AIR FORCE INST OF TECH WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB OH


The Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation (VTRPE) computer model is a powerful and flexible program that provides calculations of the radar propagation conditions of the atmosphere.

www.stormingmedia.us...

The Navy use: incorporate use of VTRPE with multiple environemntal data sources, one of the being the Air Force Weather Agency AFWA.

heron.nrl.navy.mil...

You can chase your tail, I am not going to.

Enough.
edit on 8-3-2011 by burntheships because: To Give Phage the end of his tail.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Yes, I said it's a computer model. Several times. We know that.
What does a computer model have to do with geoengineering or aluminum around Mt. Shasta.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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The topic of this thread isn't Phage.

Its not any other member either.

The topic of this thread is

"EXCLUSIVE "What in The World Are They Spraying" Chemist talks to ATS about Geoengineering"



ATS is a discussion forum where we discuss topics, not the people who post in them.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Doomzilla
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You are like the Galileo of ats .


Indeed. And whilst Galileo was wrong, he was more right than those who wanted to kill him


But what are your qualifications when it comes to geoengineering?

I assume you have been studying the subect and therefore know, for example, about the paper referred to here:

Geoengineering To Mitigate Global Warming May Cause Other Environmental Harm

and I'd be interested therefore to know what your thoughts were at the time and whether they have changed since.

edit on 8-3-2011 by Essan because: (no reason given)





Hi there I am not an expert nor do I profess to be one .
I am merely wanting to know what makes Phage an expert .

If I was going to use his evidence it would be wise to know if he is a valued source in the field of GEOENGINEERING .

I have no problem telling you my work history However I am solely here to hear from Dr Thyme . I know who Mr Thyme is I can use his evidence as he is an expert I can NOT say the same of Phage at this moment in time !

Valid source or just opinion? I think its essential to know


Peace
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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Thanks for your support my friend .
Myself and back in black have had our posts deleted in this thread because we want to know if the poster is sharing opinion or fact .

How is it off topic to ask if someone has any evidence/samples/analysis regarding GEOENGINEERING ? Or if theyve worked/studied in the field of GEOENGINEERING ?

Peace



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