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Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by boncho
Truth is your a curmudgeon
The links I gave you are from accredited inventions by universities and dept of energy.
Every university, hospital, and start up business (through venture capital). It in itself is in no way a sign of anything unless MIT is a scam. They ask my dad as an alumni every year for money.
Your a curmudgeon and choose to not debate science. Your comment on the aviso motor having 131 percent efficiency is just wrong. It means its running past what is listed on the system at 100 percent.
Rossi has a deal with the Greek government.
We are not talking about magnet motors here but inventions the science community is taking interest in.
The hydroxy links I gave have been proven and approved by government agencies.
People like you don't help the debate by arguing just to argue or because of preconceived ideas.
The two seemed nervous? They are scientists not actors. It would be more telling if they hammed it up.
Oh and ZPE or zero point energy was developed by Einstein so I guess he is a quack too?
. From member nh_ee on aviso tech
TextInteresting .....to say the least. I think that in all 7 or so pages of cyber rambling. No one mentions the key component of this invention and that is the mentioning of the use of Super Capacitors in conjunction with the use of a coil ? "Another battery powered free energy device " ? It's been a while for me but Anyone who's studied basic physics recalls the right hand rule AND that inductors and capacitors work opposite of one another and are often used in parallel, hence charging and or energizing one another. Almost like like that of an ignition coil firing a spark plug in an engine. ( Another Tesla invention by the way) For starters, The 12 V battery is necessary to keep the coil generating it's magnetic field across the super capacitor as well as providing 12 volts for the controlling circuitry. He mentions the use of pulse width modulation. This synchs the pulses of DC energy to that of the timing or discharge rate of the super capacitors. Sorry I can't get into details at the moment. but is an intrinsic part of what the inventor is doing here. What the hell is a super capacitor you might ask ? The key difference between super capacitors vs traditional ones is the use of electric fields as a dielectric vs the traditional capacitors using dielectric material in which to store charge. Using electric fields which allows the super caps to store more energy longer. Almost like that of a quick charging battery. Though they cannot store as much energy as a battery for example. They can be stacked and wired in series to create the necessary desired voltage. Which is where those blue electrolytic capacitors come into play. In essence, Super capacitors are the akin to a really quick charging battery and were actually first used some time ago to replacing batteries necessary to start very large motors as in Tanks and Submarine Diesel engines. THis is where the magic occurs. The longer storage time allows more potential to build which is then shared with the standard blue electrolytic capacitors where he had his volt meter measuring. IN this case, The current from the Super Capacitors is wired in parallel with the traditional electrolytic capacitors wired in series allowing them to accumulate this voltage potential essentially creating a charger or power supply from the standpoint of the motor. So in a block diagram, the fore mentioned coil, super capacitors and standard capacitors would equate to a big battery. A very quick charging one. This is also why he was discharging the last capacitor in the row of series beer can like capacitors. Each capacitor in series was discharging it's charge in current, to charge the next capacitor in series.. But as far as the motor was concerned , due to being wired in parallel to this entire bank of capacitors, these capacitors look just like any DC battery source providing around 300volts of energy. (thats what the chart was comparing by the way this source vs a traditional power supply and hence the over unity numbers) Ultra capacitors are the future of battery technology. Due to the Ultra capacitors ability to store and generate charge used to charge the batteries it is already in use in Automotive regenerative braking systems used to store and charge the onboard batteries. Read up on super capacitors aka Ultra Capacitors and expand your mind. For those interested, here's an article from Popular Mechanics. www.popularmechanics.com... As well as an MIT based startup who has revolutionized the super capacitor and created the "Ultra Capacitor" using nano technology. www.fastcapsystems.com...
TextAlthough zero-point energy is usually regarded as a quantum phenomenon and a consequence of the Heisenberg uncertainty relationship, the existence of zero-point energy was inferred by Einstein, Planck, Nernst and others in the context of blackbody radiation prior to the discovery of quantum mechanics. Einstein and Otto Stern came close to deriving the blackbody function without assuming quantization but with the presence of zero-point energy. Nernst in particular claimed in 1916 that the universe was filled with zero-point energy. This line of investigation was abandoned with the advent of quantum mechanics, but the concept of zero-point energy soon reemerged with a quantum interpretation.
TextAs to whether zero-point energy may become a source of usable energy, this is considered extremely unlikely by most physicists, and none of the claimed devices are taken seriously by the mainstream science community. Nevertheless, SED interpretation of the Bohr orbit (above) does suggest a way whereby energy might be extracted. Based upon this a patent has been issued and experiments have been underway at the University of Colorado (U.S. Patent 7,379,286).
My entire point is A you don't understand what these men are talking about and rely on google to make your decisions rather than run through the theory.
If these concepts are being developed in the private sector you can bet the military has applied them. Or are you going to contradict yourself again?
Red flag? What a joke. In one statement you talk about business another marketing. You have set it up that there is no way to win. My father is an inventor. He makes bobin load detectors. A practical invention no controversy. But he didn't go around showing the world until he had a patent and worked out all the details for commercial use. Engineers generally test and test and test. Not until they get investment does it push them to sell.
My entire point is A you don't understand what these men are talking about and rely on google to make your decisions rather than run through the theory.
Hydroxy masters thesis
Right gibberish because you don't understand the content and can't refute the technology. I am done. I am sure you can google some info you dont understand. I am sure you will point out some nontechnical facts that don't agree with your world view.
I don't know if here is any reason to be on this site. It seems full of skeptics and believers. The people in the middle are left at a loss.
Originally posted by killjak
After reading the pdf on how much energy was created I had a few questions.
The first was how are they burning the Hydrogen to create water when outgoing steam is around 100 C and ignition temperature of hydrogen is ~600 C and burns much hotter (exothermic reaction which is correct).
The second thing to think about this "free" source of energy is how would we get the amount of hydrogen needed to sustain this energy output. This is a big reason why we not have seen mass market hydrogen cars. Yes they burn cleaner and are efficient but the big drawback is the cost of capturing high quantities of hydrogen.
"What I had not expected was the venomous criticism, the contempt, the enormous pressure to conform. Has the knowledge that physics is an experimental science been totally lost?" he wondered.
"Temporarily misplaced" perhaps, Duncan said, urging that scientists leave peer pressure behind and return to their methodological roots. "Cold fusion, or low-energy nuclear science, has benefited from exciting innovations and outstanding minds, yet massive, destructive 'group think,' has given it a checkered past," Duncan explained. "Now, however, it is of paramount importance that science proceeds boldly, with a determined yet dispassionate focus, on the objective study of these fascinating phenomena."