Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu
You seem to forget what an exciting time in robotics we're living in. We can cast off Human labor to our machines. So the fact that we see a
confluence of energy/machines/global contact/ethics means that now is our window of opportunity.
Which is limited to the steel ore and oil used in manufacturing and maintaining the robotics.
Steel (processed iron) is not all that scarce, hemp can provide a higher quality oil and grows virtually everywhere, and there are plenty of people
whose bliss it is to work with robots and other machinery.
So limitless energy is clearly capable of making a HUGE difference.
I don't see why the corporate model would have to change if companies were able to produce low cost energy.
"HAVE" to change...? Not exactly. WILL change as the money they are predicated on dissipates.
Oh, it will spark vast innovation, open opportunities to apply one's bliss, but money WILL vanish.
The usefulness of money and energy supply do not correlate. Explain why the money system would be dropped. Does limited amounts of rare earth metals
have no value in this brave new world you propose? Not everything in this world is infinite, water supply for one, metals, oil (plastics, etc.) food,
Given that we have the ability to transmute elements (with LOTS of energy - which would not be an issue), "rare" elements can be made less so. Water
is quite plentiful on this planet - and Dean Kamen created a water purification unit that, if run on plenum energy, can purify water on demand
anywhere water is available at all. Pipelines could bring water most anywhere. Hemp oil can create better plastics than petro-oil. Food can be
produced and distributed by robots - in quantities vastly more than we need.
You are describing a world that has infinite everything. We don't have that.
Effectively, in fact, we do.
Well given that any money value is arbitrarily set to begin with (else inflation/deflation would not take place), and given that all it accounts for
I agree that it is arbitrary. But I do not agree that it is solely tied to energy. Money existed before energy consumerism, sorry. And as I said,
currency forms just about anywhere people are forced to live amongst another.
Money existed before petrofuels, but it has ALWAYS represented energy expended. Purely and directly, though this relationship has been obfuscated by
all the trappings we surround it with.
And as I stated, not everything in the world is infinite, even if energy were to be. So you cannot have some place where everything is
limitless, even if energy is.
E=MC2 We can create matter with enough energy.
Lets hypothesize that we developed space travel that let us mine infinite resources from other planets. You would still have trade, jobs,
markets and a currency system to represent the work involved with those systems.
(Note the term, "currency..." This should be a clue as to the relationship of money to energy.) We don't need to enter space for those reasons -
exploration is all we need. And no one would be doing any "job" that was not their bliss. And if it is their bliss, money is irrelevant as long as
they have what they need and want.
What you're describing is something long off into the future that we are nowhere near achieving even with unlimited energy.
I know I have directed you to my thread wherein I explain my knowledge of the existence, capabilities and 50 years of development of electrogravitics.
And, in fact, if the abundance paradigm spreads (enough people are aware and supportive), and we get the plenum extraction methods out of black ops, I
give it two years for money to vanish.
edit on 3/3/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo