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Originally posted by zorgon
Once upon a time...
There were three inventors... all three worked independently of each other... (no internet back then)
All three came up with a design for a liquid fuel rocket..
One German, One American and One Russian...
The design was basically the same... but because the Russian didn't publish right away... the American and German got dual credit...
Until today when History now gives the Russian credit for being FIRST
The Russian also came up with a really COOL space station in 1886
Some believe that many of these insights were self-fulfilling. This may very well be the case; Verne exerted considerable influence on those scientists and engineers who pioneered space flight, including Hermann Oberth and Konstantin Tsiolkovski.
In his books about space travel, Verne launched his spacecraft from the central coast of Florida, not far from Cape Canaveral, and landed it just three miles from where Apollo 11 splashed down on its return from the moon in 1969. He correctly calculated the velocity required for his spaceship to escape earth's gravitation and accurately described the effects of weightlessness on his astronauts. He also realized that the reentry of the craft would be fiery as it streaked through the earth's atmosphere.
The real-life Apollo program bears similarities to the story in several ways:
* Verne's cannon was called Columbiad; the Apollo 11 command module (Apollo CSM) was named Columbia.
* The spacecraft crew consisted of three persons in the book and each Apollo mission.
* The physical dimensions of the projectile are very close to the dimensions of the Apollo CSM.
* Verne's voyage blasted off from Florida, as did all Apollo missions. (Verne correctly states in the book that objects launch into space most easily if they are launched towards the zenith of a particular location, and that the zenith would better line up with the moon's orbit from near the Earth's equator. In the book Florida and Texas compete for the launch, with Florida winning.)
* The cost of the program in the book ($12.1 billion US in 1969 dollars) is almost similar to the total cost of the Apollo program until Apollo 8 $14.4 billion US dollars)
* Both the spacecraft in the book and all Apollo craft were recovered by U.S. Navy ships.
* Verne peculiarly describes the projectile of the Columbiad as made of aluminium, instead of steel that would have been usual for the time. Columbia was built mainly of aluminum alloys.
As a youth he became enamored with the possibilities of space exploration by reading the science fiction of Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, and from the science fact writings of Hermann Oberth
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Wolfenz
i would like to see what the Soviet Shuttle has the exact capability's The soviet shuttle has at least a 100 ton payload! vs American Payload that is only 23 tons am i reading that right ?
That seems to be a mistake, the mass of Buran shuttle is 105 tons. Mass of its payload is up to 30 tons.
www.buran-energia.com...edit on 3/3/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Echtelion
A nice contribution, Slayer69!
Although the Buran shuttle program went to post-Soviet Hell, it's parallel aircraft project, the Antonov An-225, is doing quite good, and that's a really a badass gigantic plane that makes by dork side go "wee!"...
What a BEAST! Undoubtedly the largest air cargo in the world, could carry almost 280 tons at 2 km altitude without a fuss.. no other aircraft in history could ever do that.
Although the project did not move beyond the initial prototype, the H-4 Hercules was a forerunner of the massive transport aircraft of the late 20th century, such as the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy, the Antonov An-124, and the An-225.
Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by Wolfenz
We launch from Florida for a couple of reasons, first, not much was there, second you get the most boost from as close to the equator as possible because the linear velocity of the earth's surface is greater near the equator, thus saving fuel to reach orbital velocity. No brainer to launch over the sea because nobody is there should the fight have problems, and you get that 1,000 mph bonus going opposite the earth's rotation, so you don't have to overcome that plus another 1,000 mph should you launch westward.
People can brag up all of the supposed Buran specs but they are largely speculative and never demonstrated. Without main rocket engines in orbit after it's lifting rockets jettison, it's corrective directional adjustments are extremely limited!!
I couldnt care less about the looks but practicality. I felt that the advertised numbers of payload was a big difference between the Buran and the US Space shuttle. If it was truely 100 tonnes then it is a lot for something that is almost identical in size as the US shuttle.
Originally posted by 12voltz
What is needed now is a drag race ,to see who shall rule the world.
Nice comparison ,personally i like the Russian shuttle and booster ,looks like it has a bit more grunt
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Great pics, I never knew Russia had their own space shuttle, let alone 4(?).
Still, I wish people could have just gotten along and build together so I'd be typing this from another planet or at least some space vessel. But instead I find myself in this reality where we're racing against eachother mostly out of prestige or to justify feelings of superiority. Let's hope people will realize one day there's more resources in space than on this planet, dropping all weapons and built a f*** spaceship so we can all get off this rock.edit on 3/3/2011 by Dragonfly79 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tsawyer2
Excellent post and interesting reading. Best comparison of the programs I have seen in a long time.
You forgot to mention how much technology the Soviets stole from us to make the Buran work. They didn't choose that nearly identical design by accident.
Originally posted by tooo many pills
The Buran orbiter which flew the test flight was crushed in the Buran hangar collapse on May 12, 2002 in Kazakhstan.
That’s the sneakiest bunch of BS I've ever smelt. The roof caved in on the Russian government's greatest, most expensive, prized aircraft in their history....? Yeaaaahhhh f’n right! What did they drop an anvil on it?
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by SLAYER69
I left the who stole what from whom out of it. I applaud both NASA and the Soviet/Russian programs. I wish there were less "Secret/Military" and more civilian aspects.
There are no secrets between Russia and the USA... it's all a ruse to keep the public bamboozled. The whole cold war was a ruse... even Wernher von Braun told us thta, just before he retired at 66 and died shortly thereafter of 'cancer', just like Ben Rich did shortly after he retired...
Hmmmm good thing I am not into conspiracies eh?