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What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Timothy is correct..


What about Peter?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." ~ 2 Peter 3:15-16




posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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I already told you why. Sex outside marriage is a sin, only a man and woman could get married. Christ said God created them male and female and to be brought together as one flesh. That's heterosexuality. If Christ advocated homosexuality he would have said a man and man or a woman and woman can come together as one flesh. HE DIDN'T. It's not that hard to understand.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Ignorant?? Why is that?? The Matthew quote which you posted is about Marriage and Divorce, between Man and Woman. It has nothing to do with Homosexuality, which is exactly what i said on my post.

Peace


And when in the Bible is sex permitted outside of the marriage covenant?



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Dwigt
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Please, the whole of the Bible does not teach stoning for any sin. Maybe try reading the book, you might be surprised at what you find.


You're missing the point, and smart ass comments help nothing....

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)

Btw i have read the bible....and im not supprized at what i've found......the same message as i've previously stated....hatred of your fellow man....
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
What about Peter?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." ~ 2 Peter 3:15-16


Isn't this the most beautiful passage? I love this one. Here the disciples are loving and treating Paul as a Brother even though they know he is suffering and going to write horrible things which will destroy the church, but even he must be loved. To see how all of Paul's writings transforming Christ's message are one big parable,it must be looked at as a whole. How does his church stand today? He built it on a weak foundation, not Christ's love, and it is crumbling as a result.

I love Paul, he was a good Brother who simply did not know the Master, but tried to. He did his work the best that his gentile mind would allow.

It was not perfect though.

With Love,

Your Brother
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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I will not argue against the notion that the bible, in its current iteration, explicitly says homosexuality is a "sin". What I will refute, however, is whether or not the bible is a true depiction of God's word.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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To: ArchIlluminatus

Before you even started this thread if I had know, I would have said to you, don't even bother. We are in the generation that don't believe, that want to twist God's word for their own pleasure, that they claim to know the Christ, that they want to make excuses for their own lust of all sorts, that judge and claim not to judge, deceivers, revelers, grievers of the Holy Spirit which is an unforgivable sin. Jesus said, go and sin no more, period.
It is a stubborn generation my friend, and not many will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Quoted from two versions what will be in those days nearing the end before Christ's return. There is more that speak of these days that we are in, the old and new testament Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zachariah, there is lots of prophesy in the bible that speaks of these days we are in. And only the fool will say, that it is not God's Word that was inspired by the Holy Spirit through the prophets and has not been preserved for this generation. Let the fool be, after all it is his freedom to choose.



Mark 13 (Amplified Bible) 1AND AS [Jesus] was coming out of the temple [[a]area], one of His disciples said to Him, Look, Teacher! Notice the sort and quality of these stones and buildings! 2And Jesus replied to him, You see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be loosened and torn down. 3And as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple [enclosure], Peter and James and John and Andrew asked Him privately, 4Tell us when is this to take place and what will be the sign when these things, all [of them], are about to be accomplished? 5And Jesus began to tell them, Be careful and watchful that no one misleads you [about it]. 6Many will come in [[c]appropriating to themselves] the name [of Messiah] which belongs to Me [[d]basing their claims on the use of My name], saying, I am [He]! And they will mislead many. 7And when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not get alarmed (troubled and frightened); it is necessary [that these things] take place, but the end is not yet. 8For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines and calamities. This is but the beginning of the [e]intolerable anguish and suffering [only the first of the [f]birth pangs]. 9But look to yourselves; for they will turn you over to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake as a testimony to them. 10And the good news (the Gospel) must first be preached to all nations. 11Now when they take you [to court] and put you under arrest, do not be anxious beforehand about what you are to say [g]nor [even ] meditate about it; but say whatever is given you in that hour and at [h]the moment, for it is not you who will be speaking, but the Holy Spirit. 12And brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; and children will take a stand against their parents and [have] them put to death. 13And you will be hated and detested by everybody for My name's sake, but he who patiently perseveres and endures to the end will be saved (made a partaker of the salvation by Christ, and delivered [j]from spiritual death). 14But when you see the abomination of desolation mentioned by Daniel the prophet standing where it ought not to be--[and] let the one who reads take notice and consider and understand and heed [this]--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.(A) 15Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house nor go inside to take anything out of his house; 16And let him who is in the field not turn back again to get his mantle (cloak). 17And alas for those who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days! 18Pray that it may not occur in winter, 19For at that time there will be such affliction (oppression and tribulation) as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until this particular time--and [k]positively never will be [again]. 20And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no human being would be saved (rescued); but for the sake of the elect, His chosen ones (those whom He [l]picked out for Himself), He has shortened the days.(B) 21And then if anyone says to you, See, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, Look, there He is! do not believe it. 22False Christs (Messiahs) and false prophets will arise and show signs and [work] miracles to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (those God has chosen out for Himself). 23But look to yourselves and be on your guard; I have told you everything beforehand. 24But in those days, after [the affliction and oppression and distress of] that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;(C) 25And the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.(D) 26And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great (kingly) power and glory (majesty and splendor).(E) 27And then He will send out the angels and will gather together His elect (those He has [m]picked out for Himself) from the four winds, from the farthest bounds of the earth to the farthest bounds of heaven. 28Now learn a lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and it puts forth its leaves, you recognize and know that summer is near. 29So also, when you see these things happening, you may recognize and know that He is near, at [the very] door. 30Surely I say to you, this generation ([n]the whole multitude of people living at that one time) positively will not perish or pass away before all these things take place. 31Heaven and earth will perish and pass away, but My words will not perish or pass away. 32But of that day or that hour not a [single] person knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on your guard [constantly alert], and watch


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and pray; for you do not know when the time will come. 34It is like a man [[p]already] going on a journey; when he leaves home, he puts his servants in charge, each with his particular task, and he gives orders to the doorkeeper to be constantly alert and on the watch. 35Therefore watch (give strict attention, be cautious and alert), for you do not know when the Master of the house is coming--in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or in the morning-- 36[Watch, I say] lest He come suddenly and unexpectedly and find you asleep. 37And what I say to you I say to everybody: Watch (give strict attention, be cautious, active, and alert)!








Matthew 24 (Amplified Bible) 1JESUS DEPARTED from the temple [a]area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to Him to call His attention to the buildings of the temple and point them out to Him. 2But He answered them, Do you see all these? Truly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down. 3While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age? 4Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you [deceiving you and leading you into error]. 5For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place; 8All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the [c]birth pangs [of the [d]intolerable anguish]. 9Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10And then many will be offended and repelled and will [e]begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] and will stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred. 11And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error. 12And the love of [f]the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity, 13But he who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end. 15So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader take notice and [g]ponder and consider and heed [this]--(A) 16Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17Let him who is on the housetop not come down and go into the house to take anything; 18And let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat. 19And alas for the women who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now--no, and never will be [again].(B) 22And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened. 23If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!--do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones). 25See, I have warned you beforehand. 26So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)--do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms--do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and [h]is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.(C) 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.(D) 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].(E) 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the [j]universe to the other.(F) 32From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its [k]young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know [l]of a surety that summer is near. 33So also when you see these signs, [m]all taken together, coming to pass, you may know [n]of a surety that He is near, at the very doors. 34Truly I tell you, this generation (


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the whole multitude of people living at the same time, [p]in a definite, [q]given period) will not pass away till all these things [r]taken together take place. 35[s]Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For just as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, [men] marrying and [women] being given in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah went into the ark, 39And they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away--so will be the coming of the Son of Man.(G) 40At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken and one will be left. 42Watch therefore [[t]give strict attention, be cautious and active], for you do not know in what kind of a day [whether a near or remote one] your Lord is coming. 43But understand this: had the householder known in what [part of the night, whether in a [v]night or a morning] watch the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be [w]undermined and broken into. 44You also must be ready therefore, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him. 45Who then is the faithful, thoughtful, and wise servant, whom his master has put in charge of his household to give to the others the food and supplies at the proper time? 46Blessed (happy, fortunate, and [x]to be envied) is that servant whom, when his master comes, he will find so doing. 47I solemnly declare to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 48But if that servant is wicked and says to himself, My master is delayed and is going to be gone a long time, 49And begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken, 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51And will punish him [[y]cut him up by scourging] and put him with the pretenders (hypocrites); there will be weeping and grinding of teeth.




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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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People....Stop quoteing the bible as if its the ultimate word! You can spit out bible quotes til your blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact that this book was not written by God.

I could quote mother goose, but does it mean people live in giant shoes, or humpty dumpty had a great fall...

Fairy tales are fairy tales, stories are just that. This book is not Gods word, its mans inturpretation of something he didn't understand.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Yeah, I was kinda kidding about the sponging, but kinda not. I thought maybe there was something I missed along the way.

I understand what you are saying about the archaic laws, but Christ did not come to enforce the law, he came to fulfill the law. Basically, he did away with alot of the laws you speak about that the Jews followed. They were needed back then to separate his people from the rest, but when he sent Christ(who was alluded to hundreds of times throughout the Torah and rest of Old Testament), they were no longer needed. God knew that mankind could not follow all of the laws, if they were able to, they would not have needed a savior. There are many common sense moral laws that are still applicable, but they are all laws that were taught by Jesus. He specifically spoke out against stoning and laws that went against loving ones neighbor. The greatest law of them all, according to him, was to love your God AND love your neighbor. We as a people are so broken and sinful that we sometimes lose sight of that. Which is precisely why Christ was needed, to bridge the gap between the perfect holy God and a broken down human condition. He does not require you to follow all those archaic laws, it is a free gift, you only need to accept him, believe in him, and follow his teachings to your best ability. Does that make sense? You saying that the Bible is full of archaic old laws that nobody should follow is not all that accurate. It gives someone who knows nothing of Christianity a bad idea of what the Bible really says and what Christians are called to believe.

So, keep in mind what Christ said, "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone" It is not my job as a Christian to convince everyone here that God does not love the act of homosexuality. It is his job to decide what happens to those at the end of the line. I do personally believe that He will look at it no different than the prideful, the hateful, or the boastful.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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I really was not trying to be a smart ass, just joking around. I will say again though, read the entire Bible, you are mistaken on what you are saying. In fact, it says the exact opposite of the hate you speak of. Christ said many times to not judge others sin.

What is your point with quoting the laws from the Torah? Are you saying because that was the law of the land at the time that it is still telling us as Christians to live that way today?

I think you have more hate in your heart than I do.
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Homosexuality is wrong when it comes to Christianity and theres no getting around that and thats why gays cannot get married.Marriage is a RELIGIOUS act between a man and woman so two guys or two women getting married is completely going against the point of marriage.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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True, Biblical illiteracy is a growing problem apostolicmessenger.wordpress.com... Christ did say it will be like in the days of Noah when the end is to come. I believe we are approaching that day.

Everyone will be accountable to God on Judgment Day. I just hope they repent and come to Christ before it is too late.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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For the sake of this arguement....i will say this, the stories you read in the bible are exactly that, stories. Aside from the few moral values the bible has to offer the only thing in the whole book that SHOULD be taken litterally is this....

Love God with all your heart and all your being, and love your fellow man as you would love God, for we are all a part of the whole.


The rest is just stories and fairy tales...



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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You've got to be playing by the rules to be in the game so going against the basics like men being with women to reproduce(the whole point of attraction and a relationship)you aren't apart of the whole ''don't judge'' thing.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle
Same for homosexuality – God would ask you to suppress the desires for those of the same sex as you and do what’s right and what he commanded.


You must see, that now everyone is quoting text, that is supposedly what God has said.. -> supposedly what God has (..supposedly..) commanded someone to do.

The verification of such a command is truly up to ones belief, (ie. personal experience) and there is _no_ way of confirming whether God has said any of these things to the many, that are quoted in the Bible.

This will also be the case with even the earliest versions of the Bible - no matter what language they are written in.

And this will remain (..For Me..) in the segment "would be cool to know" - "cannot know this for sure" & "therefor will not make the mistake of spreading this as the universal truth"

edit: I mean, unless there is a sureness that God has said something, I do not see any reason following such a command - or spreading that as Gods word.

But that is just me.. But I am happy if you see something I do not, and if you are saved for that ( - in some other manner that I will be saved by my own beliefs).
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
Why do people continuously use the bible as some sort of proof that God doesn't like homosexuality. The bible also teaches us that if your wife cheats on you, we should throw stones at them until they're dead.


Man, I can't take this anymore. There are so many non-Christians out there who think they understand the Bible, and yet so few actually do.

A Christian is not called to stone his wife if she cheats on him.

"Oh, but wait!!" you say.

"Are you not picking and choosing!?! Are you not a big fat hypocritical shrimp eater!?!"


If you really want to understand this issue, then you will read my entire post. If not, just go right ahead assuming that you understand all those "hypocritical pork eating Christians" out there. Your choice.

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1. The real deal about food laws and the New Testament

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The Bible says that Jesus declared all foods clean. "because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)" (Mark 7:19)

In fact, this is not surprising whatsoever. The New Testament is actually a "New Covenant", and every time a new covenant was made between God and man, the food laws changed also.

1. Adam's "Covenant" with God: This is an assumed covenant, the word is never specifically used. In this "covenant" Adam and Eve are only allowed to eat "green plants". Sorry carnivores. (Genesis 1:30)

2. Noah's Covenant: Man is allowed to eat all meat, but not blood. (Genesis 9:3)

3. Moses' Covenant (The Old Covenant): Man is allowed to eat certain meat, excluding seafood, pork, etc. Blood still forbidden. (Various passages in the Old Testament)

4. Jesus' Covenant (The New Testament): All food is permitted. (Mark 7:19)


Therefore, any argument which compares homosexuality with shrimp is immediately null and void. Jesus addressed the issue of food (according to the narration of Mark) but he never once addressed the issue of homosexuality.

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2. Why Christians do not follow the Old Testament's laws

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The fulfillment of the law is love. The New Testament makes this quite clear. Therefore, when a Christian loves God, or loves his or her neighbor, they are fulfilling the law. God is concerned with a person's heart, not their action's alone. (Though, actions usually signify the state of the heart.)

"Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." (Romans 13:10)

"For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, " YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."" (Galatians 5:14)

"If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, " YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well." (James 2:8)

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3. Why Christians do not stone people

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Firstly, we do not stone people because Jesus never stoned anyone - He forgave the adulterous woman, for instance. The Bible says, "the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked." (1 John 2:6)

Secondly, When the Jewish people stoned sinners they were acting as God's instrument of both judgment and justice in the land. It was as if God Himself were stoning these people. This is not the case in the New Testament. The reasons behind this are extremely complex, but let me try and address it briefly.

The Old Covenant was accepted by all the Jewish people. (Subsequently, children were born into the covenant.) This is similar to when you sign a legal agreement. If you sign a document that says, "if I default on this loan, then the bank has the right to reclaim my house, car, boat, etc." then you should not be surprised when you default and the bank takes away your stuff. You have made a legally binding agreement with the banks, and told them that they can do this.

The Jewish people did this with God, and whether they liked it or not, their children were born into this same covenant. The people of Israel said, "Yes, we will follow your laws, God, and if we do not, we submit to the consequences you have outlined".

This is very different from the New Testament. No one is born into the New Covenant with Jesus, and not all people have accepted the New Testament. Therefore, to judge all people as if they were a part of the covenant, when they are not, is in fact both absurd and impossible.

When a Christian sins, they are no longer subject to the penalties of the law. However, this does not mean that what they have done is not a sin. Jesus said to the adulterous woman, "go and sin no more".

This leads me to my next point.

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4. Adultery is still a sin in the New Testament

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Time for a personal confession: I am married, and yet I sometimes fantasize about women who are not my wife. This is a sin. (Matthew 5:27-28) This is adultery.

Now, just because I have the desire and urge to do this it does not make it right. It does not make it any less of a sin. I was looking at Playboys when I was 7. (I'm going somewhere here, I promise.) I could argue that this is simply my nature, that monogamy is unnatural and that my lustful / adulterous lifestyle is not a sin in the New Testament - but I'd be wrong.

There is a strong part of me that wants to have sex with multiple partners, but that doesn't make it right. I don't care how homosexuals "feel" in this sense. I'm sure that it DOES feel like you were born this way. I'm sure the child molester feels the same way. What about the serial killer?

DO NOT MISCONSTRUE MY ARGUMENT AS SO MANY HOMOSEXUALS ARE QUICK TO!

Am I saying that homosexuals and child molesters are equal "offenders"? In the physical realm, no. In the spiritual realm, yes. Both are sins. My point is this, just because it feels right, it doesn't mean that it is right.

I am sorry that your struggle is being homosexual, but I can assure you that God did not create you that way, and He will not indulge your sin as anything less than that - sin. We live in a fallen and messed up world. We are all broken people. Feelings don't change God's standard.

He has something better for you. Trust Him.

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5. Never a good word

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There is not a single Bible verse that sheds a positive light on homosexual relationships. I don't care if it is "temple prostitution" that the authors of the Bible were decrying. Don't you reckon that God would have put at least one example of a healthy and God-pleasing homosexual relationship in the entire Bible if He makes some people homosexual?

Jesus forgave the adulterous woman, but He made sure to let her know that what she was doing was sin, and that she needed to STOP IT! Repent! Struggle for your freedom! Trust the Lord to deliver you!

I struggle every single day to "keep my nose clean", by remaining faithful to my wife in my thought life. Will the desire to lust ever go away? I don't know, but what I do know is that lust is still a sin. I can make excuses for myself, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a sin.

$0.02

Cheers,
Cody



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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I already told you why. Sex outside marriage is a sin, only a man and woman could get married. Christ said God created them male and female and to be brought together as one flesh. That's heterosexuality. If Christ advocated homosexuality he would have said a man and man or a woman and woman can come together as one flesh. HE DIDN'T. It's not that hard to understand.


I think that you misunderstood me, or i have not been clear enough. I never said or implied that it was Marriage between Man and Man or between Woman and Woman. All i said is that the quote which you posted speaks about Marriage and Divorce between Man and Woman and not "Homosexuality". Nothing more.


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And when in the Bible is sex permitted outside of the marriage covenant?


Based on the Bible, all sex outside of the marriage covenant is forbidden, I think the English words if i am not mistaken are "fornication" (pre-marriage sex) and "adultery" (sex outside the marriage).






Peace

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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Post too long continued from first one.




Mark 13 (King James Version) 1And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? 5And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 7And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. 8For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. 9But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. 10And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. 24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.







Matthew 24 (King James Version) 1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.




posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Perhaps some have forgotten Christ's message. Do you remember what he died for and how he suffered? What laws was he rebelling against?



With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Dwigt
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I really was not trying to be a smart ass, just joking around. I will say again though, read the entire Bible, you are mistaken on what you are saying. In fact, it says the exact opposite of the hate you speak of. Christ said many times to not judge others sin.

What is your point with quoting the laws from the Torah? Are you saying because that was the law of the land at the time that it is still telling us as Christians to live that way today?

I think you have more hate in your heart than I do.
edit on 2-3-2011 by Dwigt because: (no reason given)


Clearly you have no idea what im saying if you think i hate anything. Take your own example....



"Are you saying because that was the law of the land at the time that it is still telling us as Christians to live that way today?"


Exactly....homosexuality was a reason for others to kill back then... Things have changed, people understand its part of nature.... You can't take a book that was written and rewritten 2k years ago litterally, nor should you take the lessons of intolerance from the past as something that should be practiced today.



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