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]From: Guy Cramer
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:47 PM
To: John Lear
Subject: Re: Lt. Col. Timothy R. O'Neill (U.S. Army, Ret.)
Yes, Trinity Consulting is mine.
I've spoken with Dr. Larry Taylor, director of UT’s Planetary Geosciences Institute in Knoxville, Gerald Kulcinski, Director of the Fusion Technology Institute (FTI) at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and Harrison Schmitt, Chairman Of Interlune-Intermars Initiative, Inc. and Apollo 17 Astronaut regarding Helium 3 data, although we never got as far as discussing an extraction process.
BTW I recall that my Grandfather (I was his research assistant) had met with your Father, Bill Lear, on one or two occasions, here's an interesting story about my Grandfather and the Philadelphia Experiment:
Here is a page regarding the Lunar Mineral Rights secured by Dr. Joseph Resnick, Lt. Col. Timothy R. O'Neill, Ph.D. (U.S. Army, Ret.) and Guy Cramer www.specintel.com...
And this one for Mars www.specintel.com...
Guy Cramer, President/CEO
HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp.
Hi, Ron...Good Morning!
Thanks for the note and you certainly touch on points of similiarity and interest (proving that great minds think alike!).
Your comment on 'liquifying' minerals on the moon is 'right on time'. Our group, presently, is engaged in deep discussion as to modifying the minerals to be harvested, and liquifying (H3, for example) is/has been the subject of much heated discussion. Actually, I suggested (to our group) not so much 'liquifying' ...but 'changing the state' . If you look at some of my patents...you'll note that in these I teach 'change of state' (from liquid to a gas, for example) to accomplish some desired result: Entropy vs Enthalpy, for example. The discussions continue as of this writing, with all suggestions being considered by our group (and others) prior to making recommendations to those within and outside our group.
On the mining-thing. I can only state that in the broadest of senses mining operations have taken place on the lunar surface and are presently being conducted on Mars .
Although the use of terminology, 'mining' has been downplayed (by NASA) and there exists an 'internal memo'
Use of terminology, e.g., 'mining', could be considered (by some countries) to constitute a violation of the International Space Treaty. Thus, NASA is real-careful about use of terminology that could be considered a breach of 'Policy and Protocol'. I can give you this stuff as it's 'public information'. You have to look between the spaces/lines for more info and draw your own conclusions.
Our samples a r e c y l i n d r i c a l Pyrex absorpt
i o n c e l l s f i l l e d w i t h V.P.S. grade He3 supplied by
Monsanto Research Corporation.
Originally posted by zorgon
Lots more digging to do...
Originally posted by reeferman
so how much H3 mined until we lighten the Moon disrupting its orbit then destroy the oceans tides I wonder....
Originally posted by burntheships
"Extracting helium-3 from the Moon and returning it to Earth would, of course, be difficult, but the potential rewards would be staggering for those who embarked upon this venture. Helium-3 could help free the United States -- and the world -- from dependence on fossil fuels," Schmitt writes. Return To The Moon
A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.
NASA Nestled among the agency's 200-point mission goals is a proposal to mine the moon for fuel used in fusion reactors -- futuristic power plants that have been demonstrated in proof-of-concept but are likely decades away from commercial deployment.
Helium-3 is considered a safe, environmentally friendly fuel candidate for these generators, and while it is scarce on Earth it is plentiful on the moon.
As a result, scientists have begun to consider the practicality of mining lunar Helium-3 as a replacement for fossil fuels.www.wired.com...
Robotic equipment would scrape and refine lunar soil. Helium-3 would be sent to Earth aboard a future space shuttle or perhaps be shot from an electric rail gun.
I had worked it out some time ago that 6 ltrs = 1 gram
Due to the rarity of helium-3 on Earth, it is manufactured instead of recovered from natural deposits. Helium-3 is a byproduct of tritium decay, and tritium can be produced through neutron bombardment of lithium, boron, or nitrogen targets. Current supplies of helium-3 come, in part, from the dismantling of nuclear weapons where it accumulates; approximately 150 kilograms of it have resulted from decay of US tritium production since 1955, most of which was for warheads.
Because of the low concentrations of helium-3,
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by simon_alex0327
Can some elaborate on this?:
I had worked it out some time ago that 6 ltrs = 1 gram
The OP posted an internal Monsanto memo suggesting an increase to 6,000 litres. (Along with some numbers of already delivered amounts, in lesser quantities).
Ummm....so, what I'd like to ask....everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the HE3 "must" have come from the Moon?? In the 1960s and 1970s? Is that what I am reading, here?
Because, seems to me, if ONE tiny gram is = SIX litres......then 6,000 litres would weigh a whopping what?
One thousand grams? Correct me if I'm wrong, here....but one kilogram/year is the stated amount in that memo posted....doesn't appear to be much of a result, for such a long trip, to mine it....
"The U.S. supplies nearly 80% of the helium used in the world," said Richardson, winner of the Nobel Prize in 1996. "The problem is that these supplies will run out in a mere 25 years, and the U.S. government has a policy of selling helium at a ridiculously low price."
There is no chemical means to make helium, Richardson says.
"But if we do run out altogether, we will have to recover helium from the air and it will cost 10,000 times what it does today."
"Unfortunately, party balloons will be $100 each rather than $3 but we'll have to live with that. We will have to live with those prices eventually anyway," he added.
Richardson has spent his life researching helium and believes the gas is remarkably under-priced.
"The U.S. government established a national helium reserve in 1925, and today a billion cubic metres of the gas are stored in a facility near Amarillo, Texas," he told newscientist.com. That reserve represents half of the global supply, which the U.S. is keeping artificially low to get out of the helium game.
"The price is dictated by a calendar," he said.