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Can it be proven Scientifically, that we can in fact change our future ?

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:27 AM
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I don't like the term "pre-WRITTEN" at all, it implies someone to write.and i don't want to engage in a religious debate.

The questions here is rather whether causality is "real"...or whether we experience causality just because of how our brain works.

We could, in theory, imagine an universe where no time exists, where everything happens "at one point" and all infinite possibilities are available RIGHT THERE.

(Is Schroedinger's cat dead...is it alive..etc..etc..)

If only our brain can PERCEIVE things in a sequential way (thus creating or needing the illusion of time in the first place)..this would mean we perceive causality as opposed to causality being a real aspect of "the universe".

Can a window break before i actually throw the stone etc...?

If i take a hammer and DECIDE to smash your finger and decide you should have a painful future...is there another reality where i did not smash your finger? Who decides what reality is becoming the real reality?

etc..




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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If science is right about the singularity. Our future is predetermined.

We can only exist within the expanding singularity which has become our universe over time.

We have no control over the expansion of time.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Can it be proven Scientifically that we can in fact change our future or have any control over our destiny ?

Or are we only able to experience what has been prewritten as though reading a book, watching a movie we are part of or experiencing a program ?

If we can change the future how can this be proven if we can’t see the future, and therefore have nothing to compare with, which can prove we can control the future ?

If it can't be proven Scientifically that we can change anything in the future, then are we Slaves to an experience which no one can Edit or change ?

If there is Scientific Proof that we are able to change future events I would be very interested in nowing where I can find this.


It occured to me, that, terms...such as 'fact', 'change' and 'future' or 'destiny' are have open-ended meanings, and require a concrete determination of meaning, in relation to any experiment conducted with them.

A fact would assume the knowledge of future, change and destiny upon which to base it on...and then would it be possible to determine, in any way, whether this change was factual, in a scientific way.

When referencing 'change', an original state (or baseline reference) would need to be established. What, indeed, could this be?

The future, by definition, must include all events, with varying degrees of probability. All future events, with all varying probabilities would need to be tabulated, scored and described.

Similarly, destiny.
Destiny assumes a known destination that can be compared to a destination (which does not occur as an event) to prove or disprove its inevitability, either way.

The 'now' represents a locale from which we work from the specifics to the generalities of outcome. With 20/20 hindsight, some decisions would be better left at the juncture of the 'now'...but, of course, this isn't the way it always happens.

Akushla



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Thank you for your excellent Post.

What you have written I would have to agree with...


I don't like the term "pre-WRITTEN" at all, it implies someone to write.and i don't want to engage in a religious debate.

We pre-write programs and we write music before others hear it too.

iI is also the case with Movies and Animation Programming.

But this does NOT involve Religion, theology or Philosophy !

A bit like a video or computer game on a network. All the options are pre-written and come from a Static Source i.e. Computer Software, which is Pre- Written before we engage in the game..

For a Technical view check out my new thread.

"Another Understanding/Interpretation of this Universe".

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Strictly NO religious, Philosophy or theology is permitted in this thread, and is Purely "Technical"

By what you have written here, I know it will more than Interest you....


The questions here is rather whether causality is "real"...or whether we experience causality just because of how our brain works.


Now I agree with this.... but it goes much deeper.


We could, in theory, imagine an universe where no time exists, where everything happens "at one point" and all infinite possibilities are available RIGHT

THERE.


Now you are on the right line of thinking...

What we experience from a DVD or "Memory Stick" is Static and becomes Sequential when Enabled through an "Operating system" involving a "processor"...


(Is Schroedinger's cat dead...is it alive..etc..etc..)
If only our brain can PERCEIVE things in a sequential way (thus creating or needing the illusion of time in the first place)..this would mean we perceive causality as opposed to causality being a real aspect of "the universe".

Exactly.... See my answer to your last statement. (above)


Can a window break before i actually throw the stone etc...?

Whats your thoughts on this?


If i take a hammer and DECIDE to smash your finger and decide you should have a painful future...is there another reality where i did not smash your finger?

Exactly my point... You are on the right track again.


Who decides what reality is becoming the real reality?

This sounds like you are getting into religion but I know you are Not..

So my answer is....

It is "The True Mind" (Please Don't confuse the term with religion) or "Awareness" i.e. your LIFE.... experiencing your body and environment (the Universe it interacts with).

But the True Mind or LIFE is "Non Dimensional...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Thank you for your Post...

I haven't heard from you for some time...

Are you sure about "Time" ?

Time is only a human measurement, involving "The rate of change in things".

This is achieved by comparing 2 things...

Check out My new Technical Thread (NO religion, theology or Philosophy)

"Another Understanding/Interpretation of this Universe"

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Can it be proven Scientifically that we can in fact change our future or have any control over our destiny ?

Or are we only able to experience what has been prewritten as though reading a book, watching a movie we are part of or experiencing a program ?

If we can change the future how can this be proven if we can’t see the future, and therefore have nothing to compare with, which can prove we can control the future ?

If it can't be proven Scientifically that we can change anything in the future, then are we Slaves to an experience which no one can Edit or change ?

If there is Scientific Proof that we are able to change future events I would be very interested in nowing where I can find this.


It occured to me, that, terms...such as 'fact', 'change' and 'future' or 'destiny' are have open-ended meanings, and require a concrete determination of meaning, in relation to any experiment conducted with them.

A fact would assume the knowledge of future, change and destiny upon which to base it on...and then would it be possible to determine, in any way, whether this change was factual, in a scientific way.

When referencing 'change', an original state (or baseline reference) would need to be established. What, indeed, could this be?

The future, by definition, must include all events, with varying degrees of probability. All future events, with all varying probabilities would need to be tabulated, scored and described.

Similarly, destiny.
Destiny assumes a known destination that can be compared to a destination (which does not occur as an event) to prove or disprove its inevitability, either way.

The 'now' represents a locale from which we work from the specifics to the generalities of outcome. With 20/20 hindsight, some decisions would be better left at the juncture of the 'now'...but, of course, this isn't the way it always happens.

Akushla


An excellent Post akushla99...

Definitely a "Star" 4 U...

Along the lines I am thinking and for a "Technical" Thread.... I know will interest you...

Check out my new thread...

"Another Understanding/Interpretation of this Universe"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

NO religion, theology or Philosophy permitted in this thread.

It is Purely "Technical"



edit on 25-1-2012 by The Matrix Traveller because: Syntax



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Technically, as far as I am concerned, the question cannot be answered scientifically.
I have followed your threads...and find the themes agreeing with most of my own (garnered also from experience).

The only way I can think of answering the question, is to offer the adage that, 'the proof is in the pudding'.

To realise the 'perfect' pudding, a recipe must be followed, using certain ingredients added at certain moments...cooked, precooked, spiced etc...at the right moments, and to the optimum degree.

Not following one or more of these 'steps', will result in varying degrees of 'failure' to produce the baseline 'perfect' pudding. The same steps could be followed by any poser of this question, to...'deliver' an apparent pre-set result, with varying degrees of 'success or failure'. A pudding, though, relies primarily on values such as presentation, firmnesss, give, aroma, bite, taste etc...the same would be difficult to 'value' with regards to all probable and possible future events...yet, as in the illustration above, an 'analogue' can be achieved by following the 'recipe', which then all but proves this is what is true. A different result doesn't disprove...but still proves that a 'recipe' with different steps has been followed to produce a different future result.

Akushla



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Not following one or more of these 'steps', will result in varying degrees of 'failure' to produce the baseline 'perfect' pudding. The same steps could be followed by any poser of this question, to...'deliver' an apparent pre-set result, with varying degrees of 'success or failure'. A pudding, though, relies primarily on values such as presentation, firmnesss, give, aroma, bite, taste etc...the same would be difficult to 'value' with regards to all probable and possible future events...yet, as in the illustration above, an 'analogue' can be achieved by following the 'recipe', which then all but proves this is what is true. A different result doesn't disprove...but still proves that a 'recipe' with different steps has been followed to produce a different future result.


This is why I suggested you look at.... and more importantly follow my new thread.

There are thousands of drawings yet to be uploaded onto ATS and hundreds of more pages explaining everything as well as releasing Alien Technologies NOT used on Earth at this stage.

But you can't possibly guess what I am going to release or reveal in this Thread so you might be surprised in what I am about to reveal...

NOT "Guess Work" but an account of what I have seen and held in my own hands...

"Another Understanding/Interpretation of this Universe"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To understand requires very careful reading of All I have written in the above mentioned thread.



posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Hi to you to Matrix
Yes it has been a long time. But i am always working on my and our theories. And i am always commenting on topics that interests me a lot




Are you sure about "Time" ?

Time is only a human measurement, involving "The rate of change in things".

This is achieved by comparing 2 things...


Yes correct.

I compare time to two different states "yes".

1. Neutral "infinite"

2. Compressed "finite"

Lets say neutral is cold or no temperature, and compressed is heat/hot.

The compressed state "heat/hot will always expand/change in the direction of cold/neutral.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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Important Message...

Those who desire to know more about this Subject please go to....

"Another Understanding/Interpretation of this Universe"

A purely Technical thread Only.
Link.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which should have been in Science & Technology




edit on 30-1-2012 by The Matrix Traveller because: Syntax



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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If all of the particles of matter were blown apart in certain directions at the time of the Big Bang, then all of those particles of matter are still moving in those directions that were preset by the Big Bang.

Granted, those particles may be interacting with each other along the way, but those interactions could also be preset/predetermined by the paths those particles were taking at the moment of the Big Bang. This includes the particles today that make up the atoms that are in are brains as neurons and brain chemicals.

If you had a powerful enough computer at the moment of the Big Bang, you would theoretically be able to take an inventory of all of those particles and the paths they are taking, then run simulations of where each of those particles will be in the future -- whether it be 1 second into the future or 14 billion years into the future. Theoretically, you would be able to know everything that will ever happen in the universe by observing the original paths of all the particles of matter at the time of the Big Bang.

So -- our future is predetermined by the Big Bang. Our free will that comes from chemical reactions in our brains is simply an illusion, because those chemicals in our brains (and the sub-atomic particles that make up those chemicals) are reacting the way they do because of their original paths that were set at the time of the Big Bang.




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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by leaualorin
If any of you have read the Bible , would know that reality is pre-determined and that it cannot be changed !
Maybe slightly , but will "bounce back" on its track wit repercusions for the one that "dissrupted" the course!
And I'm sure of this!


Another reason why I don't understand people's adamancy to believe the Bible. It says everything is pre-determined, yet we have free will .... classic.

To the OP, very interesting thought, I always think these things, but at the end of the day I think it's one of those things that our brains just can't comprehend, just like how a Creation, or a Big Bang, can come from "nothing."



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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BINGO a Star 4 U.

Thank you for your Post

But remember what we are studying in Science is just a Story and Not WHAT'S producing this, or HOW.

The WHAT and HOW is much, much different than the Result that is Experienced, in the form of this Little Universe.

What we experience is in something else which is Non-dimensional whose expression is based on "Communication", just as everything is. Taste, smell, hearing sight, touch and others, as these are just different forms of "Communication" but never the less determined or predictable in the form of Restricted "Options".

In other words all possibilities are produce from the one action. But All Options are also determined or predictable.

That "Non-dimension Source" is Collective "Awareness" or what should be called LIFE.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Write down two random actions on a piece of paper.

Examples, 1.) goto kitchen and drink a glass of water. 2.) go outside and smile at the weather.

Then flip a coin. If it's heads do 1, if tails, do 2.
Now, I do understand the bigger picture , however, I think that your future is not pre-determined, but you can make choices that impact your future.

You can go to college a or b. It's your choice. You choose your destiny.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Religion is there, to attempt in vain, to destroy Truth..

It's NOT what is written that is the Problem, but Rather the Primates, teaching a corrupted version of understanding.

These writings are a "Parable" (an ancient art) about something else, and NOT the human species.

But in their corrupt ways today, have tried to "humanize" these writings, to deceive those less educated about themselves.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Thank you for your Post...


Now, I do understand the bigger picture , however, I think that your future is not pre-determined, but you can make choices that impact your future.


Its NOT so much your future that is pre-determined, but rather your "Range of Options", i.e the Options themselves have been pre written within predefined or Controlled Boundaries.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
Write down two random actions on a piece of paper.

Examples, 1.) goto kitchen and drink a glass of water. 2.) go outside and smile at the weather.

Then flip a coin. If it's heads do 1, if tails, do 2.
Now, I do understand the bigger picture , however, I think that your future is not pre-determined, but you can make choices that impact your future.

You can go to college a or b. It's your choice. You choose your destiny.


But it could be said that you choose your destiny based on chemical reactions in your brain. Unless you believe in a supernatural consciousness (i.e., a "soul") that is independent of our brains, then you may believe that everything is predetermined.

What you call "free will" is simply your brain making a choice -- but that choice is determined by chemical reactions, and those chemical reactions are all predetermined by their original paths that were set at the time of the big bang. Therefore, all of the particles in the universe are reacting they way they are because of the paths they took at the time of the Big Bang -- including those that make up your brain and the chemicals in your brain.

So, you may think that the choices you make are all free will, but I'm saying that those choices were actually pre-determined by the paths of all the particles in the universe at the time of the Big bang.

However, like I said, if you believe that your free-will is determined by your "soul and/or independent consciousness" rather than by chemical reactions in your brain, then you may not believe that things are predetermined.


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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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I don't believe in Free Will.

pre determined Choices like in the 3rd dimension of the path of action taken within the boundaries is another matter... Anti Mater is just One example and why Black Holes CAN exist.

It's a "Paradox", in the Form of a Tree.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
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Is it?

Think again....



I am missing something ?
Do you mean change something 30 minutes from now ?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Thank you for your Post...

You can't change anything in 30 minutes time, if you can't see what was going to happen first.

You have therefore Nothing to :Compare" with if you understand my postulation.

Otherwise how can you claim one has changed something in the future if you can't see the future.

And does the Future in fact exist, or is it the Present (or is that a gift? LOL who knows?) as in NOW.

Perhaps the future is a human Illusion?



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