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Originally posted by LeonoraTenen
No skeptic has *proven* that a covert operation is NOT taking place.
Originally posted by LeonoraTenen
Nobody is talking about John Holdren and the fact that he is the science advisor to Obama.. he has been pushing for Geo-Engineering (*fact*) and the fact that his writings (like the book Eco-Science) discuss methods of forced depopulation, which include poisoning the food and water supplies.
I said that the approaches that have been surfaced so far seem problematic in terms of both efficacy and side effects, but we have to look at the possibilities and understand them because if we get desperate enough it will be considered. I also made clear that this was my personal view, not Administration policy. Asked whether I had mentioned geo-engineering in any White House discussions, though, I said that I had. This is NOT the same thing as saying the White House is giving serious consideration to geo-engineering – which it isn’t — and I am disappointed that the headline and the text of the article suggest otherwise.
Here are scientific facts, which I'd like to discuss with other scientists:
Originally posted by Phage
Then perhaps you should start or join a thread regarding climate change.
Originally posted by Phage
This thread is about the dishonesty or ignorance of the makers of the movie "What in the World are the Spraying". Would you like to discuss that?
edit on 2/7/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by LeonoraTenen
Here are scientific facts, which I'd like to discuss with other scientists:
Then perhaps you should start or join a thread regarding climate change.
This thread is about the dishonesty or ignorance of the makers of the movie "What in the World are the Spraying". Would you like to discuss that?
edit on 2/7/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by waynos
If I may, I would like to commend your approach here, across all your posts that I have seen. We should see more of it and, I hope that on the occasions I am shown to be mistaken, I act the same way.edit on 7-2-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by waynos
No, no, your approach was fine. You had a query over something you saw as odd, never lose that, and you recognised the information provided for what it was and you amended your position on that particular point, while still querying the wider question of spraying.
However much I might disagree with you in future over fact or philosophy, cannot fault your genuine inquisitiveness and open mindedness. we should all be like that.
Incidentally, there ARE some images around that show trails from other parts of the aircraft, aerodynamic contrails, fuel venting etc, maybe we will debate over those sometime.edit on 7-2-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
This morning the Georgia sky was deep blue as the sun was rising, the the planes started, x's and y's all over the place dumping something for sure, within 2 hours the sky was milky white and as the continued it was so obvious. The sun was blocked out and as they continued you could see them last all day. thats not contrail's thats something new!
Originally posted by LeonoraTenen
I don't see much give on the side of the debunkers.. although, I understand that would be contrary to the inherent objective.. which is imperical evidence..
Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
And now to the video in question hasn't one of the main people in that video admit to persistent contrails being real? I an sure that video is in one of the threads in this forum and if someone knows where it is could you please post it so I don.t have to spend forever looking for it.
"Persistent contrails are just natural contrails, they do not contain the high amounts of aluminum, barium, strontium, and other fall-out that matches geoengineering and numerous patents exactly. So with that being said, a persistent contrail is a contrail that last a little bit longer, and they have been seen as far back as World War Two."
I could post links to independent air quality studies before and after they spray.
Because there is no such data.
how you can find data on debunking but none on proving.
Oh, so you want money for data produced by someone else. That's called stealing. Never mind.
if u would like my data get out your wallet