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Are They Spraying Anything?

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posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Great post Phage
S&F

I posted something in another "stufftrail" thread that seems to have died, but I will re post it here. Mostly because we have a really great OP to start with.

Okie dokie, here goes.



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Sorry about that, my brain shut down and due to loss of motor function my head hit the keyboard. let me try again:

"I typed this with my forehead."

Okay, now that that's out of the way...

I am not a professional, but since a kid I have always loved planes and all the cool stuff they can do. Oh yeah, and I worked for Lockheed in the /80's/90's, but what could I know about planes.

Anyways, it strikes me as odd that people are just now noticing "stufftrails" (patent pending) being expelled from the plane's "planus" (patent pending). This has been something I've noticed for years and years and years. But I will humor the notion for a minute.

1. If these chemicals (I'm assuming Barium, etc.) can be added to fuel, at such a level that they are effecting our health, how can these planes operate efficiently with the high levels of these chemicals? If this is possible, where the hell is my Barium car? No, seriously, I want one.

2. If Barium is going to... well, not sure what the "stufftrails" (patent pending) are doing to us, but Barium if is dangerous, why are we using it to determine whether people are aspirating? This surely requires congressional inquiry. sandhoffdisease.webs.com...

3. Exactly what are these "stufftrails" doing to us? TPTB seem to have succeeded in "stuffing" us for years, who is controlling my mind/giving me cancer/sterilizing me?

4. Wait, our air and our water? Hold up, were getting tag-teamed now. Why wouldn't TPTB just "stuff" our water? I know we test it, but we also test the air. are the air/water testers hiding "stuff" from us?


Thank you for your time. But not your's.... yeah, you.

Gringo
edit on 13-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: fnord




posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 

What do I got?
How does one lead a blind man? No offense, but if you cannot see....then you are blind.

I prefer to speak about WHAT they are spraying, not IF they are spraying. I don't ask a blind man to describe the color of a tree, or a sky.. or anything that requires an EYE.

So, what do we have to talk about blind man? You want to talk about bull#, I don't know why.

If you know something about what they are spraying, tell me. If you don't believe they are spraying anything, why are you here? To save people? Are you a Democrat?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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reply to post by GringoViejo
 

What a "new" angle, and STARRED so quickly....

And SO clever.

Well, there are plenty of subscribers that will buy it.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by GringoViejo
 

What a "new" angle, and STARRED so quickly....

And SO clever.

Well, there are plenty of subscribers that will buy it.




Is that what you consider an educated rebuttal of a fairly intelligent, topical post? In your mind, does an opinion supported with evidence make something suspect? Are you only drawn to theories that CANT be proven? Did you do poorly in high school science?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 

What do I got?
How does one lead a blind man? No offense, but if you cannot see....then you are blind.


Indeed. The truest thing you have stated. If one cant see, they are blind. Good for you!


I prefer to speak about WHAT they are spraying, not IF they are spraying. I don't ask a blind man to describe the color of a tree, or a sky.. or anything that requires an EYE.


Okay, then WHAT are they spraying? Where is the evidence of what they are spraying?



If you know something about what they are spraying, tell me. If you don't believe they are spraying anything, why are you here? To save people? Are you a Democrat?


I am a pomegranate, but that is beside the point. Are you a dining room table??





posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by GringoViejo
 

What a "new" angle, and STARRED so quickly....

And SO clever.

Well, there are plenty of subscribers that will buy it.




Thanks for the feedback


U2U me about these subscribers, I can point them in the way of eternal salvation for only a single dollar. Comes with a triple back guarantee. can't beat that.

But back to the "stufftrails"...

I'll gladly look at any evidence you provide, either side of the fence you reside.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 

Jerking again?

I am trying to be patient, grasshopper....

Let me ask you, before I shoot myself in the head...or go to bed.

Do you READ much? Do you get out much? Do you look at the skies? Do you understand what you are looking at?

Pretending that you understand all that is going on is a DEAD give away that you don't know #.

Get it?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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reply to post by GringoViejo
 

U2U U?
Why?
They are all around you. U2U them!

I spent enough effort with this response, If you are so lazy that you are looking at me for truth, YOU will never find it. I have no inclination to engage.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by GringoViejo
 

U2U U?
Why?
They are all around you. U2U them!

I spent enough effort with this response, If you are so lazy that you are looking at me for truth, YOU will never find it. I have no inclination to engage.




I am not looking to anyone for truth, especially someone i don't know.

But as you and I both know that evidence and truth are two different things.

Which leads me to believe you meant to respond to someone else, perhaps?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie


I spent enough effort with this response, If you are so lazy that you are looking at me for truth, YOU will never find it. I have no inclination to engage.




Well, there you have it. No inclination to enaag in an informative debate. Too much time spent calling people names. Quoted now for posterity.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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reply to post by GringoViejo
 

I DO read, and I DID read your love letter to Phage.

Read what you wrote. Try to understand the person that wrote it. Stop playing games.

I don't care if you are anonymous. We are not.

I am going to bed.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 

Yes, Big mind, crucify Stewie for posterity!
Whatever fits your fantasy. But, hey, keep looking for the truth about what they are spraying, not IF they are spraying.
Okay?

Goodnight, grasshopper.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Have a good night


Maybe tomorrow we can leave opinion at the door, and discuss some evidence.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Stewie
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I prefer to speak about WHAT they are spraying, not IF they are spraying.


Sure - easily done.

They are spraying H2O, CO2, CO, NOx, SOx, carbon, unburned fuel, minute traces of some metals, organics and various other bits & pieces from the engines.

There is ample documentary evidence of that.

And not only are they "spraying" it in contrails, they are spraying it when there's NO contrails too.
And not only spraying it at high latitude, they are spraying it when they taxi and take of and climb and descend.

And not only spraying it from aircraft - they are spraying it from cars, trucks, trains, power plants, ships, stationary generators, BBQ's and anywhere else hydrocarbons are combusted.


If you know something about what they are spraying, tell me.


Done.


If you don't believe they are spraying anything, why are you here? To save people?


Only from stupidity, and because those who think chemtrails are real are saying that I am part of the conspiracy - what with me having worked on aircraft that have left persistent contrails and having worked for a national regulator, so I am defending myself against their ill informed and baseless rumour, scaremongering and slander.


Are you a Democrat?


Worse - I'm not American

edit on 14-5-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Ignorance abounds!
Because we don't have perfect information and/or because we don't know EXACTLY what MAY be in contrails or how or for what purpose they got there, there's nothing to worry about move along?
Persistent contrails have always existed?
I don't buy that #. Sodium fluoride has no point in our water besides creating docile, unquestioning sheep. Nothing to do with teeth. So why would it be so hard to believe that in a UN Agenda 21-type depopulation plan that TPTB wouldn't engage in dousing the proles with additive/aerosol garbage, whatever it is, so we live shorter, stupider lives while we procreate and question less and less??

Oh and there's no chance that chemtrails(cloud seeding?) have anything to do with the global warming/climate change socialist fraud in which 'geoengineers' attempt to alter our climate due to the nonsensical anthropogenic global warming farce.... Maybe East Anglia's obviation of the fraud of this removed the justification that had been prepared for this effort done for 'our' benefit.

No, no. Stupid me. It's just jet-steam. Move along, stupid!
Why question and enlighten when others obviously think nothings going on? Wait, what's on TV? ...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by DjDoubleD
Persistent contrails have always existed?


Yes they have, and there's ample evidence for them. The first account of a persistent spreading contrail is from 1921


An altitude flight was made in the morning at McCook Field recently by Lieut. J. A. Macready in a La Pere with supercharged Liberty [engine]. When the airplane reached a height of 26,000-27,000 feet at 11:50 a.m., a long feathery white streamer was observed forming behind a rapidly moving dark speck. The cloud was of the cirrus variety, well defined at the edges and apparently 10 to 15 times the width of the plane. The sky behind the first portion was clear blue with no clouds in the near neighborhood. The first streamer seemed perhaps 2 miles long. Then a gap of one-quarter mile. The second streamer formed with a background of light cirrus cloud and after 2 or 3 miles the plane seemed to go into the cirrus background, for the streamer formation ceased while an apparent path of blue continued beyond for a way in the cirrus cloud. The whole streamer may have been 3 miles long. After 20 minutes the streamer had drifted and spread until it merged indistinguishably with the other cirrus clouds visible.


Source:
contrailscience.com...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by DjDoubleD
Ignorance abounds!

So why would it be so hard to believe that in a UN Agenda 21-type depopulation plan that TPTB wouldn't engage in dousing the proles with additive/aerosol garbage, whatever it is, so we live shorter, stupider lives while we procreate and question less and less??


it wouldn't be hard to beleive if there was some evidence.

But apparently we're living longerand getting smarter which makes a mockery of any unsupported assertion to the contrary!!



Oh and there's no chance that chemtrails(cloud seeding?) have anything to do with the global warming/climate change socialist fraud in which 'geoengineers' attempt to alter our climate due to the nonsensical anthropogenic global warming farce.... Maybe East Anglia's obviation of the fraud of this removed the justification that had been prepared for this effort done for 'our' benefit.


you mean East Anglia scietists getting pissed off at stupid repetitive requests for information and having entirely human reactions in frustration that actually had no effect on the validity of the sound science of global warming at all?

No - there's no chance that it has anything to do with that.


No, no. Stupid me. It's just jet-steam.


It's ice - but otherwise correct.


Why question and enlighten when others obviously think nothings going on?


Why beleive something for which there is not one single skerrick of actual evidence??

You don't have a case if you don't actually have any verifiable evidence. Worse than that even is that all the so-called evidence yo do have is wrong, manufactured, misleading, or outright lies - all you have is scaremongering, paranoia and disinfo!



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by DjDoubleD
Ignorance abounds!
Because we don't have perfect information and/or because we don't know EXACTLY what MAY be in contrails or how or for what purpose they got there, there's nothing to worry about move along?
Persistent contrails have always existed?
I don't buy that #. Sodium fluoride has no point in our water besides creating docile, unquestioning sheep. Nothing to do with teeth. So why would it be so hard to believe that in a UN Agenda 21-type depopulation plan that TPTB wouldn't engage in dousing the proles with additive/aerosol garbage, whatever it is, so we live shorter, stupider lives while we procreate and question less and less??

Oh and there's no chance that chemtrails(cloud seeding?) have anything to do with the global warming/climate change socialist fraud in which 'geoengineers' attempt to alter our climate due to the nonsensical anthropogenic global warming farce.... Maybe East Anglia's obviation of the fraud of this removed the justification that had been prepared for this effort done for 'our' benefit.

No, no. Stupid me. It's just jet-steam. Move along, stupid!
Why question and enlighten when others obviously think nothings going on? Wait, what's on TV? ...



I see you base your opinions on emotion and assumption. Have you ever taken the time to investigate whether there might be any substance and, you know, EVIDENCE to support your assumptions about 'chemtrails'?

OR are you content with 'believing' what you pr-suppose to be true, regardless of lack of evidence? That's called Dogma.
edit on 17-5-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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I guess you didn't see this at the top of that page. The link is to this thread.


This text copied from here and is an analysis of the movie 'What in the World Are They spraying', which refutes the argument of the documentary that the ground and air tests reveal unprecedented levels 'high' of aluminum. It is in English.

source

Unlike some. I'm not a plagiarist.


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