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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by Dendro
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You can do whatever you want in your bedroom, stay out of mine.


I think you are not understanding fully Dendro. Most people dont care what you do in your bedroom. Hell, oral sex is still illegal in most states. Do what you want in your bedroom.....But stop teaching my children in public schools that being gay is ok and completely normal.....(obviously not you personally) Stop the adgenda. Let people deceide for themselves what they want to do in their bedrooms....Personally that's all I want. Just keep it out of childrens faces who's minds arent fully developed. Jezzzz and people wonder why the youth are so confused these days?? I'm not saying that this issue is all to blame but it's surely not helping.

Seriously this is my last post here because I hate these threads because all they do is keep us divided. I think we have bigger fish to fry these days. Like the world going to poo all around us.




posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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isnt kissing oral sex ?

man it must be hard to live in the androgynic u.s of a



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Riff2525

Originally posted by Dendro
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Huge families still exist today and in recent times. My mom is the youngest of seven.

So you don't see the hypocrisy between your posts?


Remember that the purpose of sex is to procreate. Homosexuals cannot procreate. This deviates from the purpose of sex. Hence, homosexuals are sexual deviants.


By using contraception, you too then are a deviant, because you are having sex for the sole reason of pleasure.


Edited to add: If you want to talk chemistry, fine, here you go. Pheromone study.
edit on 4-3-2011 by Dendro because: (no reason given)


Youngest of seven??? I was referring to families of 15-20 kids. Both of my grandmothers came from families such as these.
Anyway......no disrespect Dendro but I'm really tired of this thread. We are NOT going to change each others minds about this. I would just like to see more serious scientific research into it. That's why I'm on this site to find ultimate truth. (which is probably never obtainable) But you have to admit that the majority of brilliant geneticists that go near the subject of a gay gene is torn to shreds. The science isint even able to be figured out. I know you know that. You seem smart. If anyone has any other idea about this just do a simple google search. Sure, you will find some...but not anything of real substance. The people with the most to lose (the best geneticist) stay away....very far away.....Lastly. I want people to really think about this: We live in America. The way it is supost to be is that the majority of people get their way. I fully support gay people's/sympathizers desire to try and change the laws....Just do it right. Until 51%.......A MAJORITY of people agree that homosexuality/marriage/whatever is OK then I really dont see how there is any argument here. Unless you dont believe in our democratic process....or at least the way it's supost to work lol


Respectfully

Riff


You are absolutely right. I can talk this issue until I’m blue in the face and I might never sway anyone, but that does not matter to me because I don’t see as a competition.

I have but one goal from any of my posts. That it might make someone, anyone, think twice in the future before making a remark that could lead to irrevocable consequences like the series of suicides last year. It wasn’t just gay teenagers that killed themselves but also straight ones who had been accused that they were. That is not a world I want to live in and I don’t think any of us really do.

I’m also not American. I’m Canadian. The last poll we had about same-sex marriage was a year after it was legislated. 46% were for it, 44% against and 10% who were unsure. That was 7 years ago and I wonder what the statistics would be today if we launched the same poll. But it is still a majority in favour.

I hope for a brighter future for everyone.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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yay, you are at least trying to understand. decide for yourself. you are making a choice.

dendro is using science to rake leaves with a garden hose.

science is great to state physical aspects like colors and weight (just simple examples).

but to explain an experience such as life? science cannot scratch the surface. try to keep it simple.

you aren't going to choose how to live your life when you are born. sure there might be kids that show homo-sexual tendancies. that doesn't make them homo-sexual at birth. they are making choices as they develop based upon their experiences. i dont think it can get much simpler, if this doesn't help i don't know what will.
edit on 4-3-2011 by thegiftbearer because: mispelled a word



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Why has there been no discussion of the "Heterosexual Agenda"? After hearing so much about the so called "gay agenda" I happened upon this piece of writing that helps putting things in perspective.

"No longer satisfied with “mere acceptance” by our society, heterosexual political pressure groups have launched a well-planned, well-financed campaign, which, if left unchecked, threatens to destroy the most fundamental structures of American society. This report considers the implications of the heterosexual agenda (both overt and hidden), the problems it has already caused and its potentially disasterous results for society."

"Here is where the buck stops — no hype, no exaggeration, no fear-mongering — just the facts."

you can check it out here

www.BoxTurtleBulletin.com...



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by Riff2525

Originally posted by loagun

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Not condoning or approving homosexual behavior does not make one a homophobe.



interesting sentence you put together there...


homophobic: prejudiced against homosexual people

to condone means: To forgive, excuse or overlook (something); To allow, accept or permit (something);
to not condone means: to not forgive, give reason to or not overlook(something); Not allow, not accept and not permit(something)

approve means: judge to be right or commendable; think well of; To regard as good; to commend; to be pleased with; to think well of; To make proof of; to demonstrate; to prove or show practically; To consider or show to be worthy of approbation or acceptance
to not approve of means: judge to be wrong and unworthy; think poorly of; To regard as bad; not accept; to be upset/angered with; to think low of; To make false of; to dismantle; to prove nonfunctional; To never consider or think of as worthy or ever be accepted


it all looks pretty similar to me....



That is a load of BS. The world "homophobic" was invented by homosexuals and it's defeniion as well.........hmmmmmm....I wonder why???

I found someone that wrote something on the web who said it perfectly... Here ya go:

"It's a very clever tactic to "turn the tables" on those that correctly feel that homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle. Homosexuals are deviants. Meaning, their sexual preferences for those of the same sex deviates from the norm which is heterosexuality. Remember that the purpose of sex is to procreate. Homosexuals cannot procreate. This deviates from the purpose of sex. Hence, homosexuals are sexual deviants. Now by calling those that find homosexuality disgusting "homophobic", it attempts to label those as having some form of psychological neurosis. "Homophobia" is not a recognized form of neurosis by the medical profession. It should be noted that in the not so distant past homosexuality was classified as abnormal by the Psychiatric community"

To add: I still why nobody will acknowledge that fact that the majority should set the rules of "engagement"...lol Just a little humor there. We still do live in a land ruled by the People correct??? A majority??? Sometimes these types of discussions make me wonder..
Respectfully

Riff

edit on 4-3-2011 by Riff2525 because: (no reason given)



LOL did you just pull all of that our of your ass? I am being 100% serious. I am just about to rip your reply to shreds, and show how stupid/ignorant/ and delusional you are..... Get ready....


First I would like to apologize for not putting in my references which is something I usually do 99% of the time. All of my definitions came from the following sites. You may check them yourself for validity.

The definition for homophobia came from wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn aka the University of Princeton's lexical database of English, and is housed in their Department of Computer Science.

The definition for condone and it's opposite meaning also came from the University of Princeton's lexical database of English.

And once again the definitions for approve, and it's opposite meaning came from the University of Princeton's lexical database of English.


With that said, I must ask you where it is that you got that wonderful copy and paste from? That is provided you didn't train wreck it together yourself. We will get back to this question, but first let's move onto this next thing...


Now you state, 'The world "homophobic" was invented by homosexuals and it's definition as well' in your post, and I am very interested to know where you learned this? Please do share it with me as I have never heard that before in my life, and after doing the simple Google search I just performed this is actually what I leaned....

George Weinberg is credited as the first person to have used the term 'homophobia' in speech. This information can be found here: en.wikipedia.org...


Here's some information about George Weinberg himself which can be found directly on his own Wikipedia page here: en.wikipedia.org...(psychologist)

"Weinberg is known for several major contributions to psychotherapy. He coined the word “homophobia” (in his revolutionary 1972 book, Society and the Healthy Homosexual) to clarify that those who harbor prejudice against homosexuals, and not homosexuals themselves, are suffering from a psychological malady, an irrational state of mind. Weinberg, though heterosexual himself, became a leader in the ultimately successful struggle to have homosexuality removed as a diagnostic category from the DSM, the professional therapeutic handbook. He has been instrumental in getting the public to recognize its own widespread irrationality toward gays."

"Weinberg began using the word in 1966"


Okay now let's go back to where I asked you where you found your information? We'll I don't need to do that because I copied and then pasted it into Google, and searched for it myself. The searched proved easy as there was only one site that had word for word what you pasted into your post. However after actually learning about where exactly you came about your information, I was somewhat puzzled and questioned, 'umm is this a joke? is this person handicapped that I am responding too?' I believe the correct answer is that you decided to post some garbage, and didn't think I would be smart enough to destroy your entire post, being as your obviously straight, and I am obviously gay.

Your information, just so everyone can read this, came from the following site: answers.yahoo.com...

Member:Katzinjammer posted the question "Curious as to why homosexuals invented the word, "homophobia?""
on Yahoo!'s very popular public board Yahoo! Answer's, where people from all over the world can post questions on their site, and anonymous people from around the world can offer answers.

So this brings us to the paragraph you stated as your evidence against my University of Princeton definitions....
and low and behold the first answer given was the paragraph you had pasted into your post, and it was posted by the member: Bob

There were 14 answers given, and 10 of those answers either said exactly what I said; that George Weinberg who was heterosexual actually invented the world, or they simply agreed with that statement.

Did you even scroll down the page, you know, below member Bob's given answer?

I would suggest that next time you are going to try and prove a point, or come off as though you are actually an intelligent being, do even a little, tiny, teeny bit of research, because this is really bad for you lol. I mean look. I just disproved your entire post where you were trying to tell me that I was wrong.....

I would love to see what your going to come up with as a response to this. You cannot possibly back yourself out of this, where you just deemed yourself a heterosexual bigot that believes the first thing that appears in front of their face.

You should be a little more cautious in life....



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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I'm a Christian and guess what? My God doesn't teach hate. I was taught to love my neighbor as myself. That includes my gay friends too.




posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
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Obvoiusly gay kids being able to actually admit it openly without ridicule is important and i think proof that our society is moving in the right direction. Tv and movies get blamed for many bad things but i honestly believe they have increased acceptance in this area, many of the teen orientated programs now have homosexuals in them and for once they are not portrayed as dangerous or perverts.


This is what worries me. More and more people are being exposed to the notion that homosexuality is normal. People who are genuinely concerned about this are suddenly branded as bigots or haters, yet even just one generation ago, it was frowned upon. Or at least kept private. Now it's on ever god damn channel, in the papers, on the streets. Everywhere.

Nowadays gays, lesbians and bisexuals are in everyone's faces, on every tv show and some are even adopting kids. This is the ultimate hypocrisy. A gay man will have sex with another gay man, and then cry that he can't have children.

Do you think it's normal for a child to be brought up with two 'mothers' or two 'fathers'?

Personally, I don't, I think that child will grow up confused.

What about teaching homosexuality to young children? Right or wrong? Personally, I think it's wrong, as chances are you're going to confuse or repulse the child and cause confusion. Besides children should be innocent and not have to suffer the errors of adulthood until much later.

I remember when we were teenagers, we were forced to sit in a room and endure this 'Gay rights' talk by a lesbian and a gay guy. It was all about teaching and educating youngsters into accepting homosexuality as something right. But I left feeling disgusted. The gay guy went into far too much detail about his activities and even told us who did what in what position and what his partner preferred. He then told us that certain religious folk were wrong for denying him his rights.

This was not a Gay rights talk, this was a blatant 'in your face' attack a religion and spread an agenda talk. Horrible. As I say this should not be taught to children.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
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Obvoiusly gay kids being able to actually admit it openly without ridicule is important and i think proof that our society is moving in the right direction. Tv and movies get blamed for many bad things but i honestly believe they have increased acceptance in this area, many of the teen orientated programs now have homosexuals in them and for once they are not portrayed as dangerous or perverts.


This is what worries me. More and more people are being exposed to the notion that homosexuality is normal. People who are genuinely concerned about this are suddenly branded as bigots or haters, yet even just one generation ago, it was frowned upon. Or at least kept private. Now it's on ever god damn channel, in the papers, on the streets. Everywhere.

Nowadays gays, lesbians and bisexuals are in everyone's faces, on every tv show and some are even adopting kids. This is the ultimate hypocrisy. A gay man will have sex with another gay man, and then cry that he can't have children.

Do you think it's normal for a child to be brought up with two 'mothers' or two 'fathers'?

Personally, I don't, I think that child will grow up confused.

What about teaching homosexuality to young children? Right or wrong? Personally, I think it's wrong, as chances are you're going to confuse or repulse the child and cause confusion. Besides children should be innocent and not have to suffer the errors of adulthood until much later.

I remember when we were teenagers, we were forced to sit in a room and endure this 'Gay rights' talk by a lesbian and a gay guy. It was all about teaching and educating youngsters into accepting homosexuality as something right. But I left feeling disgusted. The gay guy went into far too much detail about his activities and even told us who did what in what position and what his partner preferred. He then told us that certain religious folk were wrong for denying him his rights.

This was not a Gay rights talk, this was a blatant 'in your face' attack a religion and spread an agenda talk. Horrible. As I say this should not be taught to children.



Ummmm, what? A gay man will cry because he can't have children? What the hell are you talking about? I am a gay man and I do not cry, nor have I ever over the fact that I cannot have children. Do you believe all gay men wish to be women, and have wombs so that they could carry children? because THAT is complete stupidity.

You ask about how 'normal' it would be to have two parents when 60% of STRAIGHT marriages end in divorce, which means a 1 parent home; your with one of the other. Why would the sex of the parent matter? That would be like me saying you hate minorities, thus you are predjudice, so you wouldn't be fit to raise any child. By the looks of your post, I surely to god hope you DO have children, and one or all(that would be a miracle) are lesbian or gay.

As for this "The gay guy went into far too much detail about his activities and even told us who did what in what position and what his partner preferred. He then told us that certain religious folk were wrong for denying him his rights. " I think this is complete and utter bullsh*t you just made up to either lie to yourself about your disgusting views on people, or to try and paint a picture for your crap-worthy post.

I am sorry, but you failed.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
This is what worries me. More and more people are being exposed to the notion that homosexuality is normal. People who are genuinely concerned about this are suddenly branded as bigots or haters, yet even just one generation ago, it was frowned upon. Or at least kept private. Now it's on ever god damn channel, in the papers, on the streets. Everywhere.


That's the media's fault. It happens to be a good story to talk about people being denied rights and being fought tooth and nail for every inch of equality.


Nowadays gays, lesbians and bisexuals are in everyone's faces, on every tv show and some are even adopting kids. This is the ultimate hypocrisy. A gay man will have sex with another gay man, and then cry that he can't have children.


I don't know what you've been watching, but it sounds like you are highly misinformed and do not understand that gay relationships are just like any other and the perspective is like having a wife who is infertile. It becomes an option to adopt a child, and there are a lot of children who need parents rather than a social system raising them in a boarding school.


Do you think it's normal for a child to be brought up with two 'mothers' or two 'fathers'?

Personally, I don't, I think that child will grow up confused.


I know a great deal of children who were raised by homosexual parents. They are neither confused nor even strange. In fact, every single one I've known has been straight and not promiscuous either. There will always be trouble makers and such in any family, but that is completely normal. Remember that the large majority of dysfunctional families are heterosexual. You have an extremely high rate of divorce, and a ton of unwanted pregnancies.

In fact, what is your opinion on children with one parent (because the other died or left?) or a disabled parent? Do you prefer children to be raised without parents at all by the government?


What about teaching homosexuality to young children? Right or wrong? Personally, I think it's wrong, as chances are you're going to confuse or repulse the child and cause confusion. Besides children should be innocent and not have to suffer the errors of adulthood until much later.


Children will experiment at extremely young ages. Most people I know began experimenting around the age of 12, and because they were never taught anything about sex whatsoever, they did a lot of dangerous stuff. Children are supposed to be innocent, but not ignorant. I was actually one of the few who knew nothing about sex until I was 15 or 16. So protected that I didn't even know the words for the genitals. However, everyone else around me knew, and it got me made fun of and taken advantage of. If you teach kids what the results of their actions are, even if they don't completely understand, it is better than hiding their natural actions from them until they screw up.


I remember when we were teenagers, we were forced to sit in a room and endure this 'Gay rights' talk by a lesbian and a gay guy. It was all about teaching and educating youngsters into accepting homosexuality as something right. But I left feeling disgusted. The gay guy went into far too much detail about his activities and even told us who did what in what position and what his partner preferred. He then told us that certain religious folk were wrong for denying him his rights.

This was not a Gay rights talk, this was a blatant 'in your face' attack a religion and spread an agenda talk. Horrible. As I say this should not be taught to children.


I do agree that is fairly wrong. Graphic detail is not necessary, and religion is not bad. There are just misconceptions about homosexuality in some religions that lead to bigotry and intolerance. I am personally a huge supporter of religion because while a lot of people are inherently good people and don't need it, there are many others who are inherently bad and need a higher power to control/guide them.

I think that it should be taught gently that it is not abnormal for a boy to like a boy, but I do feel that it is going to far to push sex on children. Honestly, things could be run better, but at the same time, homosexuals have been oppressed for so long that allowing them to speak now has released somewhat of a tidal wave of emotion and conviction, meaning a lot of mistakes will be made, but it will get better over time as they get used to being normal. Once it is normal, it will cease to be a big deal.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
This is what worries me. More and more people are being exposed to the notion that homosexuality is normal. People who are genuinely concerned about this are suddenly branded as bigots or haters, yet even just one generation ago, it was frowned upon. Or at least kept private. Now it's on ever god damn channel, in the papers, on the streets. Everywhere.


Bit of news flash, homosexuality is normal in the animal kingdom, we have observed it in many different species, including human beings. As for it being on tv and everywhere else, well i hate reality TV shows but they're everywhere, does that mean i get to ban them? The whole point of a free society is that you will hear and see things that upset you, and remember you have the ability to turn the tv off or change channel.

That's why i don't really get that angry about Britains got talent or dancing on ice, because i can turn over



Originally posted by mr-lizard
Nowadays gays, lesbians and bisexuals are in everyone's faces, on every tv show and some are even adopting kids. This is the ultimate hypocrisy. A gay man will have sex with another gay man, and then cry that he can't have children.

Do you think it's normal for a child to be brought up with two 'mothers' or two 'fathers'?

Personally, I don't, I think that child will grow up confused.



Please provide evidence that the child will grow up to be confused. There are many kids being raised and have been raised by homosexuals and there is no evidence the children suffer greater emotional turmoil, sexual confusion, increased rates of homosexuality or criminal behavior.

Also if you're going to use the "they can't have kids naturally" argument then what about all the straight couples who go for IVF treatment? They're going against nature as well because nature obviously damaged their DNA in a way that makes them unable to have children naturally.

I think as long as a child is loved and supported they will grow up just fine.



Originally posted by mr-lizard
What about teaching homosexuality to young children? Right or wrong? Personally, I think it's wrong, as chances are you're going to confuse or repulse the child and cause confusion. Besides children should be innocent and not have to suffer the errors of adulthood until much later.


I think informing children that there are people out there different to themselves, with different outlooks on life and different values is important because it prepares them for the reality of life. As for children being innocent, at what age are you applying that argument? Because when i was a child of 10 i can assure you i wasn't innocent and neither was anyone else I knew. We knew about sex, drugs, bad music and plenty of other things besides. Luckily our schools and parents told us that drugs can ruin our lives and that sex has consequences, so no one in my year got pregnant.

And we didn't end up as sex crazed psychopaths now did we
You say you want to keep children innocent, but the truth is that you are simply keeping them ignorant of reality, and keeping them that way will lead to a great deal more confusion. Especially when some of them start feeling attracted to the same sex, realise they're in a minority and hate themselves for not being normal. These are the people who end up in relationships they hate with the opposite sex because they think it's normal, and then get divorced at 30.

These are also the people who often end up as religious figures, denounce homosexuals with absolute venom and are then arrested in the local mens room.



Originally posted by mr-lizard
I remember when we were teenagers, we were forced to sit in a room and endure this 'Gay rights' talk by a lesbian and a gay guy. It was all about teaching and educating youngsters into accepting homosexuality as something right. But I left feeling disgusted. The gay guy went into far too much detail about his activities and even told us who did what in what position and what his partner preferred. He then told us that certain religious folk were wrong for denying him his rights.


That is taking things a little far i reckon, giving children information on sexual positions would I think be classed as child abuse, whether it's gay or straight sex. If someone talked in such a way to children online then that person would be heading to prison, again gay or straight, so i'm confused as to how that situation came about.

How old were you when that happened?

As for him saying reliigous people are wrong, well that's his opinion and he's welcome to it and to share it, you are welcome to disagree. Don't you love freedom



Originally posted by mr-lizard
This was not a Gay rights talk, this was a blatant 'in your face' attack a religion and spread an agenda talk. Horrible. As I say this should not be taught to children.



Well i'm sorry you had such an experience, of course you could be remembering a slightly coloured set of events but if they genuinely started talking about sexual positions then something is very very wrong, whether it's straight or gay sex is immaterial, you can't lecture that kind of stuff at an audience of children.

Kids should be informed that some people like men and others like women and that they shouldn't hate themselves or be ashamed because of it. They should be given some basic advice on safe sex, both gay and straight and then left to their own devices.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
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Predisposition, not predetermination. The myth that homosexuality is innate is popular but untrue.


"Today, people practising homosexual lifestyles"

This one sentence - - in the first paragraph - - shows that this ?researcher? - - - has an agenda and doesn't know what he is talking about.

I've followed this subject for 20 years. I know the studies. Attraction to same sex is genetic. There are studies that indicate that - - even though the exact cause has not been pinpointed yet.

As I say Malaria was real - - long before they found the source.

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This ?study? sounds exactly like the one I found on a Christian site. Taking studies - - then explaining why they don't prove anything.

When reading articles/studies - - - I also research who wrote it. Funny that there is nothing else found under the Dr. Tahir I. Jaz. However - - there is Dr. Tahir Ijaz - - - of Islamic studies.

Also found this article on a Conservative site.
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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You know i've been back and fourth as to whether being gay is genetic or not and while they have been searching for a "gay gene" for a while it's arguable that they have actually found one. I believe it's more of a random environmental effect, caused by some hormone or other peaking during a womans pregnancy that affects the growth rate and size of certain parts of the brain.

If you check back in the thread i linked a BBC article that reported on the brain scans of straight vs gay people. It turns out that gay men have brains like straight women and gay women have brains like straight men, which really makes sense when you consider their attraction to the same sex.

Yet despite any evidence you, I or anyone else posts we will be told it's a choice.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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All I know is that my children whom I conceived , 23, 21 and 11 grew up in a two mother family (and a father that is in their lives) They have never had any problems. I raised them to be strong and independent. They are very proud children. Proud of their parents and proud of the rest of the family and friends that are around them. Not proud of homosexual parents, just proud that they have a good home with al ot of love caring and understanding, in every aspect of their lives. They never had any problems in school. The teachers where always polite and in fact some where homosexual. Their friends parents have never had any problem with their kids spending the night or going to ball games or dinners or what ever activities we invited children to. Having 2 moms is not an everyday issue that needs to be addressed. It is what it is. A normal family. Most of my friends are male. I prefer it that way. I go to a strait bar for my weekend dose of beer. Even though I am a lesbian I really do not care to hang out with a bunch of women. I am not a butchy dyke but I also am not a dress wearing fem. The only label I give myself is MoM. I have never come across anyone personally whom has a problem with me. I have never been called out of my name or harassed about my sexuality and if you saw me you would clearly know I was gay. I do not let this bickering between homosexuals and homophobes(by the way i dislike that word) affect my life. What I am getting at is this....I do not walk around shouting gay pride and waving a rainbow flag. I think that is what makes some uncomfortable. My sexuality is my own personal business and it is only a small part of me. Yes small part, I refuse to be defined as a homosexual. I am a woman and a mother first. And I am also more than that. I do not contribute to the prop 8 controversy. I have a hunting licence I have a drivers license i have a fishing license why would I need a marriage license. My partner and I have been together for more than 12 years we have never had any problems being out in the community. I think who we are and how we interact with people play a major role in how accepted we are. We do not give off a defensive vibe. We are comfortable and if there has been anyone around us that disagrees well we don't' see it, we choose not to. I believe to each is own. I cannot spend my days making people like me or making people agree with how I live. If I was black I would have some prejudice if I was fat or ugly or short or tall or republican or liberal or a chem-trail conspiracist or ufo debunker or Obama....what ever, I can't please everyone and I do not care to. I know that there are extremists out there but they are out numbered. I love this country and I feel the majority of Americans are tired of the bull crap personal issues that we waste good time and money defending not defending. We have more things to worry about as whole as a country. So you do not agree with how I live my life, fine then waste your time doing that. Or go on to more important issues. Every one has rights. A right to our own individual lives, now lets start fighting for our own American rights as a whole for the good of our country.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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And for all the bible thumpers out there, practice what you preach or shut it! Leave the judging to your god and do as he says, love thy neighbor. It is not your right to preach his words and stuff them down peoples throats. It is his job to do that if he so pleases. Take the book and use it for your own personal faith. One book 1 million ways to translate it. Leave it in gods hands, unless....you don't trust him!



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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I just want to ask gay men here.

If your the only son/child, how do you feel about the fact that your family name stops at you. That after 100's of years of your family name existing, it just ends at you.

Thats what i don't understand about the Homo agenda, our primal basic instinct is to reproduce, for some reason that instinct is not present in a gay man/women.

It's like a Virus without a purpose



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
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You know i've been back and fourth as to whether being gay is genetic or not and while they have been searching for a "gay gene" for a while it's arguable that they have actually found one. I believe it's more of a random environmental effect, caused by some hormone or other peaking during a woman.s pregnancy that affects the growth rate and size of certain parts of the brain.


Then we will never agree.

Considering scientists can change gender attraction in fruit flies - - by altering chemicals in their brain - - proves it is physiological.

I don't think anyone is saying there is a "gay gene". That is only one possibility.

Then there is the new science of brain scanning.




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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
I just want to ask gay men here.

If your the only son/child, how do you feel about the fact that your family name stops at you. That after 100's of years of your family name existing, it just ends at you.


Like it ended with Elton John? Oh wait - it didn't.

Or like my husband's line where all four straight brothers have chosen not to have children?



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
I just want to ask gay men here.

If your the only son/child, how do you feel about the fact that your family name stops at you. That after 100's of years of your family name existing, it just ends at you.

Thats what i don't understand about the Homo agenda, our primal basic instinct is to reproduce, for some reason that instinct is not present in a gay man/women.

It's like a Virus without a purpose


I'm not a gay man, but seriously - so what if your family name stops at you? Who says the child will take your name anyway ?
As for the "instinct to reproduce"
I am female, and of (ugh) "childbearing age" and have no instinct to reproduce. I thought of having a child revolts me and the thought of finding out I am pregnant is the worst possible situation I could find myself in. I'm married, so its not that I don't want to be a single parent, I just have no interest in bringing children into this world and looking after them. Just wanted to make the point that there are a LOT of people(I belive something like an estimated 40% of women in Europe) choose not to have children.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
I just want to ask gay men here.

If your the only son/child, how do you feel about the fact that your family name stops at you. That after 100's of years of your family name existing, it just ends at you.

Thats what i don't understand about the Homo agenda, our primal basic instinct is to reproduce, for some reason that instinct is not present in a gay man/women.

It's like a Virus without a purpose


Well then God forbid you only have female children because that would be an equally "awful" outcome for your family name wouldn't it.

also let me direct you to some info about the equally disturbing "Hetero Agenda"

you can find it here
www.BoxTurtleBulletin.com...



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