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Homophobes:: GET A CLUE!!!

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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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And how very worldly, and evil of you. Jesus had no problem calling out the religious hypocrites and at times getting angry. Just as when he chased the money changers out of the temple. You have no problem calling out Christ. Making a joke of it all and mocking our Lord. But God will have the last laugh. It is not His will any perish but that all come to repentance. All is vanity. There is nothing new under the Sun and just as you came into this world with nothing, you will leave just the same. but those that love the Lord will spend eternity with Him and those that hate and mock will spend eternity away from Him!

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The crusades were an answer to the Muslim invasion of Jerusalem. They were also wrong and the men that fought were lied to. It was political for sure. Now, what's THAT have to do with real Christianity.
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
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He was slim and neat? Have you ever read the Holy Bible or are you going by European paintings? Go read Isaiah 52 and 53 to get a good description of the Lord Jesus. You all will not be mocking when you're burning in the lake of fire. Which is exactly where you secular humanist scum will end up.


BTW. You sound like this man: www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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I lurk this site for an occasional dose of bemusement... there's so many threads here longing for alien contact and/or proof of something beyond your own boring experiences and dimension and, yet, many of you hopelessly flounder in the very shallow waters of the minute differences (skin color, sexual orientation, et al.) within your very own species.

Although I don't discount that many of these threads are meant to manipulate emotions and divide one group against another and ratchet up site traffic.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Various forms of intolerance seems to be the hallmark of institutionalized religion.

Really, homophobia is an expression of hate, which is usually not what the particular religions are espousing. You don't have to agree with someone's way of life, but as long as their love is based on mutually consenting adults, then we should all just let them be. It's not like they're choosing the easy way to live. Plus, they're not sleeping with me, so what does it matter. One can have compassion without agreeing with it.

On the individual level, it's disturbing that people feel entitled to spout out hate under the banner of religion... on the bird's eye level, it's disturbing that hate is systematically propagated by institutionalized religions.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by ActuallyActuary
I just had an epiphany: Homos and secular Libs are results of very similar mutation! Both are screwd up in the head.
You will have awesome party in hell.



Originally posted by soaringhawk
where you secular humanist scum


Ah, ad hominem, my old friend! I can always count on you to save me when I have nothing to say...



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by Secularist
 


And how very worldly, and evil of you. Jesus had no problem calling out the religious hypocrites and at times getting angry. Just as when he chased the money changers out of the temple. You have no problem calling out Christ. Making a joke of it all and mocking our Lord. But God will have the last laugh. It is not His will any perish but that all come to repentance. All is vanity. There is nothing new under the Sun and just as you came into this world with nothing, you will leave just the same. but those that love the Lord will spend eternity with Him and those that hate and mock will spend eternity away from Him!


You sound really smart.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Well said!
You ignore them girl.
Don't let them get you down. Religious types are the worst of all for judging people. They need to stop enforcing THEIR views onto people who don't want to hear them. There is no god. And whilst I think it is nice for someone to have a faith i cannot see how someone CAN believe in a god. Just think how many wars have been started because of religion. In the bible it says 'The love of all money is the foot of all evil'. I, however, think that 'Religion is the root of all evil' is more appropriate.
And now the angry comments will flood in. Shouting their views over people who do not want to hear. I'm not saying that you all want to hear mine either but thats just the way it is. Don't expect to not be argued back to.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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I think that this will always be a never ending topic because neither listen to the other side.
Yes that includes the OP

the word homophobe is so played out



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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I can clearly empathise with you on certain things as there is a small minority that pervert religious text and ignore the parts that clearly state that you should not judge.

All this aside though I am really starting to see that maybe its time for some homosexuals to realise their obvious heterophobia as well.

Thats something that society really does ignore.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by wayno
Dear mizbeach... good on you for trying. I have been on ATS for a few years now and the gay-bashing and gay-defending threads are never ending. It seems there is a never ending supply of ignorance and ignorants, and none of them ever learns a thing from any of the talks, rants or discussions -- well a few do, but very few.

So I didn't read more than a few of the posts in this thread. After awhile it just gets unbearable, like being too close to a septic tank or smelly sewer. People get really vile -- and you know which people those are.

I am with you in your beliefs. I am a gay man of over 60 years. Whilst I haven't stopped learning, by any means, there are some things I am pretty close to absolutely sure about and sexuality is one them. I've had a lot of experience at it, you see.


Sexuality falls on a continuum like anything else, from completely straight on one end to completely gay on the other. Relatively few people are on those extremes. Most people's innate sexuality falls somewhere in the middle range, and that is where an element of "choice" actually does come in -- not in whether you are gay, straight or bi, but whether you choose to be yourself or conform to someone else's rules. Some people can conform more easily than others. Some people can pretend more easily than others. Some people can say one thing and do another more easily than others.

Some of us just have to be ourselves in order to be happy. I am one of those people, and I believe you are too.


No, there's gay or not gay. Most people are not in between. Sure there are bi-sexuals so you could call them kind of straight, kind of gay, somewhere in the middle sure. Still that is out of the norm. Most people are not in the middle as you described it. Most people are not even remotely gay.
If most people were in the middle like you said, this topic would never come up.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Here we go again.... well, I have to give kudos to the 'gay community' for helping me resolve an issue in my mind, anyway.

I know I have this reputation of being an opinionated cuss, and in a lot of cases it is true. But not all. The overall gay issue is one of those I really hadn't made my mind up on until recently. Now I have.

To the OP: no one hates you, least of all God. It hurts me to think that you believe that, and it underscores that I have much work left to do with those I share the label 'Christian' with. I will continue in that regard, rest assured. I will also continue to voice my opinion that no one should be persecuted over such a minor issue as their sexual attraction.

But I hope that satisfies you, because I am now whole-heartedly convinced that the legal battles surrounding this issue are not about equality or acceptance, but rather about revenge. They are more about an attempt by many to somehow 'get even' with society for perceived injustices of the past... and while I make no claims that those injustices did not indeed exist or were not indeed grievous in many cases, I will not support revenge.

How do I make this conclusion? Because of many reasons, some of which I will list here:
  • The 'Gay Marriage' issue has gone from a simple desire to be treated equally to one of demanding that churches be forced to recognize and accept gay marriages (some even demand they be required to perform such), a direct affront to freedom of religion. Yes, I know some of the posters on here disagree with taking it that far, but based on the progression of legal demands, that overt disagreement is irrelevant. The underlying agenda is clearly not so much 'pro-gay' as 'anti-church'.

  • Observed reactions of those who are openly or 'proudly' gay, as has been expressed in this thread, are usually designed not to promote equality, but to instill shock and intimidation in others. Again, surely not the modus operandi of all, but it is of enough to convince me that there is a problem with the ability of many gay individuals to integrate into society in a civilized manner, sexuality notwithstanding. I will not condone forcing others to live with that kind of intimidation.

    And yes, I have observed the same thing from those gay individuals I am around. It is common for them to suddenly, in the middle of a conversation that has nothing to do with sexuality in any form, hold up a picture depicting gay sex or make a crude remark concerning gay sex just to laugh at the reactions of disgust from those around them.

  • Obvious appeals to law rather than attempts to change what is usually expressed as a flawed public opinion indicate that perhaps public opinion cannot be swayed... and I have to wonder why this is when other oppressed minorities have managed the feat. I also wonder why any group would appeal to a legal system that is already overburdened and impotent in many cases rather than to attack the source of the hostility. Could it be they are scared that the truth of their agenda, a truth that society would ever willingly accept, will be brought to light by such attempts?

  • There seems to be some kind of mass societal hallucination, admittedly not confined by any means to this issue but intruding upon it, that sex and love are the same thing. They are not; and until someone understands that, their arguments on that issue will be accepted as foundationally flawed on any sexually-related issue by those of us who do understand the difference. Such a distinction is typically ignored in any discussion concerning 'gay rights'; the terms 'love' and 'sex' are used interchangeably.

    At the risk of TMI, let me clarify: I love my parents and my children; the very concept of having sex with them is disgusting beyond words. I have had sex with women whom I did not love. There is only one person whom I both love and have sex with: my wife. And even in that single example of duality, sex is not a prerequisite nor is it contingent to my love for her. Such is the understanding one is missing when they say that they should have the right to love whomever they wish. They already do, and always have.

    As a misunderstanding among the public, such is an interesting phenomenon and sometimes a source of joviality; the integration of any such misunderstanding into law or legal precedent becomes a horrific source of potential social mayhem.

  • Attempts to openly discuss the situations surrounding the claimed injustices toward gay individuals have, thus far and in my experience, typically met with scorn and derision rather than an attempt to present the problems in a civilized and productive manner. There are exceptions to this, but such exceptions are rare in my personal experience. Likewise, any suggestion geared toward actual equality and acceptance from both sides of the issue is met with derision and scorn as well, without even a consideration of the concerns of the opposing sides. Such an attitude is not conducive to a correction of injustice, but is conducive toward an agenda of 'reverse' hate.

  • Just the term 'homophobe' annoys me to no end. As has been mentioned, homophobia, by definition of the root words, is a fear of homosexuals. It has been applied to me many times when I asked questions that someone did not want to answer. I hereby state, I am not afraid of anyone. I am, rather, 'homo-apathetic'... meaning, again by definition, that I do not care nor do I care to care what you do in your sex life... and no, I do not make a habit of talking about my sexual relations with others to those who might be interested, much less those who are uninterested, as I typically reserve that information for only the parties involved: myself and my wife! If only I was able to get the same courtesy from those who are gay... is there any reason why someone needs to publicly read out loud the overt sexual invitation they are typing in an e-mail? I don't want to hear that, straight or gay!

    So from now on, keep calling me names. It will only make me ignore your complaints completely.

  • Yes, I am heterosexual. Yes, I am a Christian. Yes, I am a smoker. Yes, I am a white male. Yes, I am many things, but none of them define me completely. I, like all individuals, share many things with many others None of them completely define my life or my identity. But it seems almost every homosexual individual I meet is completely and absolutely defined by that one aspect of their life. As long as they have nothing but homosexuality in their life, I have as much sympathy for them as I do for someone who likewise thinks only about heterosexuality and nothing else: zero.

So that's my rant, and my newfound position. Stop the whining and the revenge attempts, and maybe someday I might listen to you again when you cry "Injustice!" For now, I have my mind made up. I oppose, and will lobby against:
  • Any laws that change the present definition of marriage as between one man and one woman.
  • Any laws that provide special penalties if the victim of a crime is gay (I will support any laws preventing violent activities toward any individual).
  • Any laws that provide any special considerations based on sexual preference.

Thank you, mizbeach and the other posters on this subject, for finally making my mind up for me. That's one less social issue I have to concern myself with.

Good luck in your life, and may you be happy with who you are. And please remember, no matter what any fallible human says, God loves you more than you can ever understand.

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
Not condoning or approving homosexual behavior does not make one a homophobe.


No, it just makes one a bigot.

This is like saying "not condoning or approving [insert non-white race or other arbitrary measure for categorizing and dividing people here] behavior does not make one a racist. In fact, it does, just as judging gays for being born gay and not hiding in a closet is bigotry.



Originally posted by Pagoas_ATS
I lurk this site for an occasional dose of bemusement... there's so many threads here longing for alien contact and/or proof of something beyond your own boring experiences and dimension and, yet, many of you hopelessly flounder in the very shallow waters of the minute differences (skin color, sexual orientation, et al.) within your very own species.


This is such a good point. And so true.


edit on 3/2/2011 by Nameless Hussy because: I found another post to reply to



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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how very mature



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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I'm a bit late to the thread and I haven't read all of the posts, but I had to air my own feelings on the subject.

Gays wear the homophobia card as a badge of honor. It's just as bad as the race card. I don't know anyone that disagrees with the gay lifestyle that's afraid of gay people. Homophobia only exists in the minds of gays that want to push a guilt trip on straight people.

I have no problem with you doing what you want behind closed doors. I have no problem with you being proud of your lifestyle. I do have a problem with you flaunting your lifestyle, especially in countless perverse ways. I don't run around celebrating my heterosexuality because my lifestyle isn't based on perversion.

Not all gays fall into this category. I respect those that care enough to keep their lifestyle to themselves. I have no problem with them. Don't call me a homophobe just to make yourself feel better or to boost your fragile ego. It doesn't stick because it isn't the truth. The truth is you cry for attention every day, then call people homophobes when they don't agree with the way you live your life.

The majority of heterosexuals are content to have private lives and keep our lifestyles to ourselves. How many gays are content to do that? If you choose to flaunt your gay lifestyle, it appears to be in direct reaction to the prevalence of heterosexuality... therefore, you must be a heterophobe. Works both ways.

Having a moral compass isn't a crime. Put away the gay card and live your life and leave me alone. This thread is a complete cry for attention--typical.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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fairplay!



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Strange...that the whole point of being Christian is to be able to beg forgiveness for one's sins...so even if homosexuality is seen as a sin by Christians...shouldn't a Christian (who is also a sinner) accept a homosexual and their sins?....


The short answer is no.

A Christian cannot accept the sinner's sin. If they accept their sin, what is the point of asking forgiveness. As stated by several others earlier on in this thread, one should have compassion for the sinner but reject the sin in others, as you should do in your own sins. Not all will accept Christ. That is because God gave each of us the ability to do that (free choice). God has free will as well. He chooses whom he will.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Evil? You obviously don't know the meaning of the word. Evil is forcing your views on others and threatening or killing them if they don't agree. I've seen evil first hand in Afghanistan and Iraq; it took the form of people hiding behind the name of God.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Cant agree- The Bibles says:
Let God be true and every man a liar

Theophobes:: GET A CLUE!!!



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Freth
The majority of heterosexuals are content to have private lives and keep our lifestyles to ourselves. How many gays are content to do that?


The majority.



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