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Freemasonry and its Involvement In Colonialism, Wars, Genocides and Revolutions.

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
I hope you were kidding. The Mafia existed in some form long before the Italian revolution.


Indeed. And Mazzini, not being Sicilian, would not have qualified for membership in the mafia.



a different Mazzini maybe ???


In 1860, Giuseppe Mazzini had formed an organization called the ‘Oblonica,’ a name derived from the Latin ‘obelus’, which means: “I beckon with a spit (dagger).” Within this group, he established an inner circle called the Mafia.

Giuseppe Mazzini was born in Genoa, then part of the Ligurian Republic, under the rule of the French Empire. His father, Giacomo, was a university professor who had adhered to Jacobin ideology; his mother, Maria Drago, was renowned for her beauty and religious fervour.


homeopathy.wildfalcon.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.conspiracyplanet.com...


"Giuseppe Mazzini, a Thirty-Third Degree Mason, founded a group of revolutionaries called Young Italy. Their goal was to free Italy from the control of monarchy and the Pope. They succeeded, and Mazzini is honored as a patriot in Italy. However, in the process, the Mafia was born. The Young Italy revolutionaries needed money, and they:

"...supported themselves by robbing banks, looting or burning businesses if protection money was not paid, and kidnapping for ransom. Throughout Italy the word spread that "Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi e attentati," meaning, 'Mazzini authorizes theft, arson, and kidnapping.' This phrase was shortened to the acronym, M.A.F.I.A. Organized crime was born." (John Daniel, "Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. I., pages 330-331)


Am I seeing conflicting info from several "sources" ?




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Am I seeing conflicting info from several "sources" ?



Yes. For example, the quote given that "mafia" is an acronym is false. The mafia existed in Sicily long before Mazzini was around, so obviouly the "M" in mafia couldn't stand for Mazzini!

There is no serious academic historian who has linked Mazzini with the mafia.

Also there is no evidence that he was a Mason. He was a member of a Carbonari Lodge, and so some have confused his Carbonari membership with Masonic membership.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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I posted this reply on another thread. As someone fluent in Italian I am familiar with certain words used in English which may have a romance language orgin. The word in question is very difficult to give a direct translation for because it conveys several meanings at the same time.


It intially meant 'perfection or excellence'. It is not a word that is easily translated into English but it was in no way an acronym for anything initially. It was frequently spelled 'maffia', with two 'f's and had masculine and feminine forms. 'Una bella mafiosa', 'What a pretty/cool looking girl'.

It also came to mean someone who was bold or a braggart and this is most likely the development of the word into its modern day conotation of a gangster/hood.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by xuenchen

Am I seeing conflicting info from several "sources" ?



Yes. For example, the quote given that "mafia" is an acronym is false. The mafia existed in Sicily long before Mazzini was around, so obviouly the "M" in mafia couldn't stand for Mazzini!

There is no serious academic historian who has linked Mazzini with the mafia.

Also there is no evidence that he was a Mason. He was a member of a Carbonari Lodge, and so some have confused his Carbonari membership with Masonic membership.



"sources" certainly are not always credible.

and some writings are very convincing!

can we find anything "credible" ?

how about the "mafia" in its beginnings ? different name ?

how long did they exist before Mazzini ?



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by JoshNorton
 

For Mazzini and Garibaldi I used Freemasonry BCY. One of the Lodges in Florence is named after Garibaldi. In the Florence Masonic Temple there are pictures of Garibaldi, along with a few others. I thought I saw a picture of Mazzini, but I'm not sure. I'll have to ask one of the Brothers tonight at the celebrations.

Maybe the author of the Mazzini piece used the confused material.
Because Mazzini was so important to Italy, he's mentioned a lot on the GOI website in various historical essays, but not, as far as I can tell, as a Mason.

There was a contemporary Grand Master of the GOI named Mazzoni, but I'm finding articles listing both Mazzini and Mazzoni in the same paragraph, as two different people, so that might be another place where an American masonic cataloger might have gotten it wrong.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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Who is the mindless drone here? Was revolution against monarchies and tyrannies a bad thing? Especially when they brought about a free, unified country? I love how in one breath you say we are nothing but aristocrats and tyrants, but then call us revolutionaries who bring about the downfall of aristocrats and tyrants? Seems like a contradiction to me.

Do you have any Idea who was involved in setting up those monarchies and tyrannies in America, Africa, India etc., It was Freemasons. I have repeatedly, shown you the proof, that Freemasons were the tyrants who colonized those countries for dominating their resources and economies, you are ignoring that fact repeatedly.

I have already said in the OP, when people revolted against Freemason colonists; Freemasonry tricked them and installed its puppets in those revolutions in the form of revolutionary leaders (I have already stated a few names in OP) and most of them became presidents of those countries after the revolutions, freemasonry steered those revolutions to pursue its own selfish Interests. And those interests were to permanently establish masonic lodges in those countries, and further influence their politics.

Freemasons always say, we are not involved in politics or government etc. But, their Involvement in colonialism, revolutions and wars etc., clearly shows how much they lie. Freemasons are liars and cheaters.


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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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Before looking at your links I looked up everything I could and found nothing connecting Giuseppe Mazzini to either Mafia, Mafioso, or Cosa Nostra.

As for your first link, see below in reference to the supposed correspondence between Mazzini and Pike. He was born in Genoa, Ligurian Republic (now Italy). It's also been discussed about the absurdity of Masonic involvement of Freemasonry with the French Revolution. Giuseppe was more concerned with a united Italy than a United Europe. Like its said before, their is hardly any evidence out there that supports him being a Freemason or that their may have been some identity confusion. So your article claiming he was a 33rd is a lie as I'm sure the author cannot say what Valley he belonged to or when he went through the degrees. Nor can you attribute the creation of the Mafia to Mazzini as it is said to have started around the time he was born (c. 1805) in Sicily. Mazzini did not start the Scottish Rite either:


The SC of Italy, that today is denominated “the Supreme Council SS.GG.II.GG. of the 3 rd and Last Level of the Free Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite for the Italian Jurisdiction - Grand Orient of Italy - Palazzo Giustiniani” as shown in a manuscript handed down as the Verbal of the Foundation, also called the “Seal of Foundation” which was founded and installed ritually in Milan on March16th 1805 by the Count Alexandre Francois Auguste De Grasse Tilly S.G.C. of the SC of France (1804), duly assisted by the French and Italian Brothers, with Licenses conferred by the SC Mother of the World of Charleston. The SC of Italy was a direct emanation of this Ritual Body.

SOURCE


By your article, Mazzini still in the womb created the Scottish Rite as he wasn't born until June.

Your second link I couldn't even take serious due to the source as Freemasonry Watch is ran by a religious fanatic who is a known liar. As for the Roman Committee on Mafia and Freemasonry, the Freemasons in Italy were often harassed and persecuted up unto recent years. They are in the heart of Catholicism and the Papacy. They were also persecuted in the past for not swearing allegiance to the Commies.


There are several theories about the origin of the term "Mafia" (sometimes spelled "Maffia" in early texts). The Sicilian adjective mafiusu (in Italian: mafioso) may derive from the slang Arabic mahyas (مهياص), meaning "aggressive boasting, bragging", or marfud (مرفوض) meaning "rejected". Roughly translated, it means "swagger," but can also be translated as "boldness, bravado". In reference to a man, mafiusu in 19th century Sicily was ambiguous, signifying a bully, arrogant but also fearless, enterprising, and proud, according to scholar Diego Gambetta.[4] In reference to a woman, however, the feminine-form adjective "mafiusa" means beautiful and attractive.


Actually the correspondence between Pike and Mazzini was a fraudulent story. Pike and Mazzini.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:58 AM
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That could be the source of the confusion.

reply to post by vinay86
 

So we established the monarchies and tyrannies, but in the same thread you're saying we are the ones who caused the revolutions? You were only able to show us a few actual Masons while the rest were not.

You are so irrational that you place the Freemasons as the source of all evil. Quit using us as a scapegoat.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Once again you didn't mentioned anything about, Why Freemasonry is involved in Colonialism, Wars, and Revolutions. Where does, all that adds up in teaching of moral values and charity. Quit, twisting and manipulating the facts.


You were only able to show us a few actual Masons while the rest were not.

Such, small naive statements will serve nothing, I have clearly named Freemason Kings, Lords, Generals, viceroys who ran slave trading and colonial companies. I have shown you freemasonry was brought to India, Africa and America by those Freemason colonists by the use of violence and force. No, masonic lodges were present in those countries before colonialism. Freemasonry Infiltrated and dominated those countries through colonization and that is a fact.

You didn't even read what I posted in OP, I have clearly stated Freemasons played from both sides, and this was how they were able to establish their lodges in those countries. Freemasons are murderers and looters, your accepting or not accepting that, will not change anything.


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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by vinay86
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Once again you didn't mentioned anything about, Why Freemasonry is involved in Colonialism, Wars, and Revolutions. Where does, all that adds up in teaching of moral values and charity. Quit, twisting and manipulating the facts.


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Your issues were addressed but you ignore any response. Any further, as like the last responses, are met with nonsense. There is no dialog here. Baiting and trolling. This forum loves it. Good work !



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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Your issues were addressed but you ignore any response. Any further, as like the last responses, are met with nonsense. There is no dialog here. Baiting and trolling. This forum loves it. Good work !

Please quote the relevant posts, to which you are pointing at. I forgot you are the same troll who made those double threads.

Duplicate Threads


Most Evil Mason in the world?

The Most evil Mason? You tell me !

Good Trolling !



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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Okay, let us compare all those who are not Freemasons then and their actions in colonial and revolutionary times. Any of those men who were Freemasons, didn't do what they did because they were Freemasons, inspired by the Freemasons, or ordered to by the Freemasons. They did this because of their own will.

Freemasonry isn't established on violence. That serves us no purpose.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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It was a response to KSig. in response to you, Please pay attention. Yes, I made a duplicate thread 4 days ago and it was rectified. I can admit I made a mistake (and still not sure how I did it !). Its a human error thang.

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by vinay86
I have shown you freemasonry was brought to India, Africa and America by those Freemason colonists by the use of violence and force.


And I showed you that the Dutch colonized America and India first and that there were no Masonic lodges until the Brisitsh came because it was part of their culture.

I like how you ignore everything that runs counter to your hysterical agenda. Just like someone suffering from a certain mental psychosis that we discussed earlier.

Colonialism predates Masonry by millenia. Get used to to facts, they can be your friend.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by vinay86
I have shown you freemasonry was brought to India, Africa and America by those Freemason colonists by the use of violence and force.


And I showed you that the Dutch colonized America and India first and that there were no Masonic lodges until the Brisitsh came because it was part of their culture.

I like how you ignore everything that runs counter to your hysterical agenda. Just like someone suffering from a certain mental psychosis that we discussed earlier.

Colonialism predates Masonry by millenia. Get used to to facts, they can be your friend.


you just don't get it. I knew a guy who was a mason and he was in the Marines, so the marines are a masonic organization. I knew a guy who was a mason and a chef, so anyone who cooks is a mason, I knew a guy who was a mechanic and a mason, well, do the math. Vinay will live in his little poor pitiful world of skewed logic and not be able to render original thoughts to understand the logic he missed in his thoughts. It's like telling Stomp he isn't the parakletos, he just won't listen.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Human Skulls and Bones In Freemasonry



Photo Source - Gloucestershire Freemasons documentary
Using Human remains for ritual purposes, is not compatible with the Freemasonry's philanthropic ambitions of charity and imparting good moral values. Human remains are mostly used by followers of satanism, witchcraft, sorcery etc. Their is no need to use skull and bones, to teach lessons of morality or mortality.
Such human remains can only be procured from licensed medical supply house only, and using them for such rituals is considered as abuse of human corpse and is regarded as illegal. It is clear to me that Freemasons have procured such human remains through Illegal channels.

Masonic Bone Ritual Shocks Aborigines



Aboriginal activist Clarrie Isaacs, who is a former member of the WA
Freemasons, says he is surprised and disappointed to discover Aboriginal
bones had been used in masonic secret rituals.

A skull and crossbones belonging to the Newman Masonic Lodge was identified
as Aboriginal, prompting Freemasons to surrender up to 60 such skulls to
police for forensic testing.

"I wouldn't like to see the use of human bones in any ritual," he said. "I
don't think it is a Christian sort of thing to have bones hanging around."

Mr. Isaacs, who is a Muslim, said he was a member of the Concorde Lodge in
Stirling Highway for about three years, but left in 1988. "I somehow felt
it didn't really fit my style," he said. "It was a lot of big businessmen
and tons of police."
Source.


“...a skull and cross thigh bones are still used in the Masonic living resurrection ceremony. A quick calculation leads us to believe that Freemasonry around the world probably possesses a total of some fifty thousand skulls!”. Source.


I bet their are more, and most of such skulls and bones must have been procured by Freemason colonists from africa, India etc during colonialism. As during colonial times thousands were murdered by Freemason colonists, and many people went missing. And trade of such human remains to other countries from India is considered illegal by Indian government. If Freemasons have procured such human remains from India than it is definitely through black market. Indian government does not allows such export. And only for research purposes export of such human remains might be allowed.


The 3rd degree is a ritual raising from the dead following the candidate’s re-enactment of the first Mason - Hiram Abiff’s death at the hands of the traitors Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum(8), the three Juwees.

Already noted is the strange attire worn during the ceremony, which is exactly as a condemned heretic was brought to the gallows in the Middle Ages(9). The Skull and Crossbones themselves are placed on the death shroud from which the brother is raised. Source.

 


The skull and cross bones is used in the third degree 'rebirth' initiation of freemasons - in a mockery of being 'born again' into the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Source.


I have seen many philanthropic organizations, and no where I have seen use of such human remains. The use of human remains in such dark and devilish rituals, clearly tells us how much humanity is left in Freemasons. This is totally opposite to their messages of love and light. This corrupt institution of freemasonry is only leading humanity towards death and destruction.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
By the term God I am referring to the Creator.




By the term "God," I am referring to the human-nature-hating definition of a deity who is clearly the enemy of humankind, so essentially I am referring to the same being whom the Freemasons refer to; i.e., the God of Capitalism, the God of Anglo-American state terrorism, narco-terrorism, imperialism, etc.


God, quit cramming your humanist and communist crap down our throat.


Calling upon your Capitalist God will be of no absolutely no assistance to you in this matter; I could equally state "Quit ramming your pro-God crap down our throats," but I would not do so since this is a public debate and contrary positions are necessary to that, no matter how diabolical.


We get it, you hate economic and religious freedom.


No, not at all, I merely have a different definition of "economic and religious freedom" than you do.



Religious Freedom and Double speak.

To the Anarchists, Communists and socialists, "religious freedom" is essentially "freedom of thought;" which includes the freedom to believe whatever bizarre metaphysical beliefs you choose to, and it is my freedom to subject such beliefs to criticism; however "religious freedom" to a Capitalist who supports the existence of the multi-billion dollar religion business, is the freedom for professional hypnotists (i.e., the priesthood, clergy) and mind control cults (all organised religions essentially) to exist and to exploit, hypnotise and indoctrinate the masses; that is simply the "freedom" for those who are evil to profit by others.



Further, in a nuclear age, considering the apocalyptic, Messianic and genocidal prophecies of the world's major religions, the existence of economically powerful anti-Communist, Messianic religious cults, such as Freemasonry, poses a clear and present danger to humankind.

More on: The Dangers of Religious Hypnosis and Indoctrination: The genocidal faiths of Christianity & Islam," on: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Economic Freedom and Doublespeak



Economic Neoliberalism, sounds rather nice, but it really means the "liberation" of world markets and resources for their exploitation by the world's economic elites. This kind of freedom is the freedom that a slavemaster demands, to exploit, own others and the products of their labour. The mantra of "economic freedom" as used by the modern Capitalists is simply Orwellian doublespeak. Economic freedom in socialist terms is the freedom of the 7 billion people here "from" the current state of economic and sexual slavery.


We are not loan sharks or scammers.




You statement is entirely untrue and a "bearing of false witness" on your part; the Masonic CIty of London (the square mile) is entirely dedicated to usury and gambling scams; and by "gambling" scams I refer to the world's derivative markets which now constitutes 95% of the world's economy. It is my impession of the Freemasons that their "collective will" is concerned with the accumulation of Capital by all means necessary, and the defense of such a system.


Military Lodges are for those who travel with the military and still want to attend Lodge. Military business is something not discussed in the Lodge nor is the Master of the Lodge to instruct others to do something in their military capacity. Military orders to combat terrorists is not a Masonic dealing. Freemasonry does not deal with military matters.

And how can you assure that Masonic Lodge instruct people to kill? Have you sat in the Lodge when this happened?




This is the usual defence which the Masonic gang here repeat over and over again; which is to separate "Freemasonry" from "Freemasons." Freemasonry "is" the Freemasons (i.e., persons who are Freemasons), and almost all Freemasons without exception are politically Neofascist and anti-Communist, thus it is thus quite appropriate to state that Freemasonry is an organisation of militant Neofascists. You could argue all day long that "Freemasonry" does not promote Neofascism and militant, imperialistic Capitalism, but as long as Freemasons continue to be ideologically Neofascist and anti-Communist, your cult apologetics will fall on deaf ears.



You wouldn't write anything you thought was untrue? So you don't know for sure if it is or not? Your hatred blinds you about a great many things.


You are welcome to challenge the truth of anything which I have written on Masonry, and if you can establish that there are any untruths, I would be happy to retract such statements, however thus far on this forum, I have no found sufficient reason to retract any statements I have made regarding the Freemasons.


You're a strange individual as you attack Christian, Islamic, and Vedic faiths, but don't critic the Jewish faith? How can you critic Christianity, but not Judaism?


On the Jewish people, Judaism and the Final Solution.


The three major world relgious viruses are Christianity, Islam and Hinduism, each with hundreds of millions of adherents. Judaism is not a major world religion, nor are their adherents as economically powerful as the Freemasons, nor do they operate as a gang of organised Capitalists, as the Freemasons do.



There are probably as little as 12 million (there are various estimates) Jewish people in the world, and by far the vast majority of them are secularists. There are almost certainly more Jewish socialists, Anarchists, Marxists and even Neopagans than there are Judaic religious fanatics. There are also probably more Freemasons in the world than Judiac religious fanatics, however despite the small membership of Masonry, they are probably the most economically powerful of Capitalisn's gangs, surpassing even the economic power of the Yakuza, the Triads and the Russian and Italian Mafia.

The Jewish people are probably the most educated and scientific of the world's ethnic groups; they are not a race nor a religion; all they have in common is that at some point in the past, their ancestors converted to Judaism; a religion which the vast majority of the modern Jewish people entirely reject; the Jewish people in general no longer revere Moses; they have much more progressive, post-Enlightenment prophets, such as Marx, Trotsky, Goldman, Chomsky, etc.



The Communist Party of Israel celebrates its 90th anniversary this year. The party is one of the three organizations that trace their lineage to the Palestine Communist Party since the late 1940s, the other two being the Palestinian People’s Party and the Jordanian Communist Party.

The CPI has a three-deputy parliamentary fraction in the Knesset (Israeli parliament) and several mayors, including the mayor of the “Arab capital” of Israel, the city of Nazareth, where the CPI has governed for the last 32 years. It also has a significant presence among students and trade unionists.

In the last municipal elections in November, Communist MK Dov Khenin obtained 36 percent of the votes in the city of Tel Aviv, against the Labor mayor who received 51 percent. The CPI, Marxist-Leninist, is the only party in Israel in which Jews and Arabs are equally important members.
www.cpa.org.au...


My political ideology is that of the Israeli Communists (Kubbtzists), however this has nothing whatsoever to do with the religion of Judaism; a religion which I consider to be primitive and barbaric. The non miraculous feeding of the 7 billion and the 1000 year agricultrual revolution is not a Christian, Judaic, Islamic or Masonic objective; on the contrary it is the Communist objective.

I worked for the Israelis for many years, and I almost never met a religious fanatic; the "secrets" of feeding the world are unhidden in the polyhouses of the desert farms of Israel,and despite the recent rather regressive reforms of many Kibbutzes, they are a model for future agricultural revolution and the collectivisation of humankind; this has nothing to do with any religion; it is purely a political and economic solution.

"Free the slaves" and "Let my people go" are not the Christian, Capitalist or Masonic objectives; they are the objectives of all Communists, and "my people" are my 7 billion brothers and sisters, not a small group of people whose ancestors converted to Judaism. Since the anti-Communists are militant and genocidal, a Final Solution will of course ultimately be required during the Final Revolutionary War of Economic Slavation, which will permanently eradicate such militnat Capitalist vermin and religious cultists; it will not be a racial Final Solution, it will be ideological.

The Scottish Freemasonry of my father, is of course entwined with the British Israelism ( en.wikipedia.org... ) myth; however this is simply an ahistorical myth; my father, for example has blond hair and blue eyes, and the idea that his ancestors were Afican slaves in Egypt 4000 years ago is simply ridiculous; further since he is an anti-Communist, he and his gang are no more concerned for the liberation of the slaves of the Motherland (i.e., Africa) than the ancient Pharaohs were; Freemasonry is a society of economic slavemasters who seek to retain the economic slavery of humankind through the International Dictatorship of Capitalism, and their "Great Work" is that sustained economic dictatorship.


One's testimony doesn't negate our rebuttals just because you want to believe them. I highly doubt you can actually show us proof that these hazing rituals exist. A catalog is not proof. Our rituals are out there on the net and yet you have not been able to prove what degree hazes the candidate. You are a liar.


I put it to you, that it is you who is the liar. There are adequate published testimonials by Freemasons themselves on the thread "On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters" www.abovetopsecret.com... to establish that there are hazing rituals, including caging, electrocution, beatings, the application of whipped cream and strawberries to the testicles, simulated golden showers (using a rubber penis) and genital torture, etc., in Masonic "side degrees."

Lux






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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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I just quoted you so this thread would look a bit more cluttered.


I noticed that you claim to be a communist. Don't you feel that that political ideology is more of a perfect world kind of thing? I am not sure I can say that capitalism is the best thing, but it seems to fit most of the world better. If everyone was willing to live as equals, then yea, I could see communism being a great thing. Like the Borg. But just as soon as you get a go getter in the mix, the whole philosophy falls apart.

I would apologize for not being on topic, but obviously that isn't an issue on this thread.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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The Skull & Bones is just a symbol of mortality. Like I've said before, you are not an expert to say what is compatible with Freemasonry, our rituals, and activities.

Symbols are never exclusive to one organization. Neither do they have a fixed interpretation, but rather rely for their meaning upon the knowledge of the viewer. This has been something said to you several times, but you just don't seem to get. Intention also varies the meaning of a symbol.

Your logic is invalid in reference to the procurement of the skull and bones. Neither did you post the laws that support this nor can you say whether that skull and bones is real or just plastic. I mean did you even research how the Freemasons procure such props or are you just making assumptions? I'm guessing its the latter as you actually do no research, but just jump to conclusions.

One Lodge is not evidence of mass use of human bones by the rest. Nor was every Colonist a Freemason.

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God is not a human hating. He is our creator and thus we owe homage to him as any creature does to his creator. God is not some god of capitalism.

I'm not cramming my God down your throat. I'm not the one coming in here making absurd and outrageous claims. I believe in religious tolerance, but when one attacks I'm not one to sit idly by.

What is your definition of economic and religious freedom? Nationalism? Government running everything?

I am more than anyone else wish for peace, but not peace through appeasement or through slavery. I will never live as a slave as I'd rather die fighting for my beliefs than live a life on my knees, graveling. Nowhere have I said ignorance is strength and in fact, ignorance is an enemy to any good man

Under communists of the past religion has suffered from the commies. Freemasonry was usually banned in communism just like any other style of authoritarian government. In some oppressive governments Freemasons were harassed regularly by the police for no other reason than being Freemasons.

I support the freedom to criticize, but I'm allowed to argue back.

Freemasonry is neither a religion, a cult, nor a danger to humanity. We seek to help better the world through charitable acts.

I reply about the military Lodges and you post a picture of the Duke of Kent in uniform as if that is evidence to the contrary? The Duke of Kent is not always acting in his capacity as the Grand Master, he has his life outside the Grand Lodge as all Masons live their life outside the Lodge. Freemasons hold their own political opinions nor does Freemasonry impress upon their members to think a certain way in regards to their political ideology. Me being anti-Communist though doesn't mean I'm militant. I am not fascist though, I'm against fascism and oppressive governments. I don't need some suit in another part of the country to tell me how to live my life when most politicians themselves are not exactly examples of morality.

Almost everything you have said about Freemasonry has been untrue.

Judaism is not a major religion? Judaism is not a religion? You are kidding me right? Rabbinic Judaism does still revere Moses and the other patriarchs. You are a joke. You hold no credibility at all.

Name every Freemason who is "economically powerful".

You are neither a member nor an expert on Freemasonry so you can hardly speak on what our objectives/goals are.

Yeah, Communists are not militant at all? [/sarc] Yeah, lets just gloss over a bit of 20th century history.

Again, I will repeat myself since you seem not able to grasp what I'm saying. Where in our ritual does it cover these hazing rituals?

Keep posting these pictures as they are not evidence that the Masons use these rituals. These catalogs are not the ritual books. Allegations are not necessarily fact.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by vinay86
I bet their are more, and most of such skulls and bones must have been procured by Freemason colonists from africa, India etc during colonialism.


You did notice that India had been the leading exporter of human remains up until the 1980's. Last time I looked India gained its independence in the 1940's so colonialism was no longer an issue, it was just capitalism at that point. Please explain why your fellow country men and women did not have the same regard for their loved one's remains as you claim to hold. How do we know that your family was not invloved in the explotive sale of relative's remains to others for whatever purpose they desired? Why did they not bring their ashes to the Ganges as is proper custom for most Inidan citizens?



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