Freemasonry and its Involvement In Colonialism, Wars, Genocides and Revolutions.

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by vinay86


Now, You are trying to link use of skull and bones in freemasonry with church. Earlier you told me it is part of culture.


Unless you're trying to say that religion isn't a part of culture, I'm failing to see a contradiction.


So, according to you freemasonry works on the ideologies of christian church, but religious connection has been already denied by Freemasons.


You've misunderstood (surprise); we do not deny that there are several connections to several religions, only that Freemasonry is itself not a religion.


And, cultural connection of freemasonry has already been denied by your mason friend network-dude on other thread.


If your position is that Freemasonry is a cult that brainwashes its members into a hivemind, showing how two members can have two opinions on a pretty important topic is not a good idea.


There is no connection of freemasonry with any culture around the world, otherwise freemasonry would have been taught to the school children's worldwide.


So let me get this straight: anything that's not explicitly taught in school isn't part of someone's culture? Do you have 20-hour school days over there?

At any rate, this is a red herring: I didn't say that Freemasonry was part of any particular culture but that the skull and crossbones was, and that it's useful as an emblem of mortality.


Earliest use of skull and bones was by roman catholic church, NAZI SS, Order of the Skull & Bones and secret societies. And freemasonry claims to be none of that.


We predate National Socialism and the Skull and Bones Society, so we're obviously not "part of" them. As for the Catholic Church, their opinion on us isn't much different from yours. Wanna be connected to their worst deeds on a vague similarity with a minor issue?


So, Freemasonry does not follow any scientific method of teaching, and Freemasons are hypnotized philosophers.


Given that millions of men all over the world credit Freemasonry with a positive impact on their life and character, I'd say we found something that works and kept doing it. We do not pore over the latest in education science with a red pen over our ritual (though, as pointed out earlier, they seem to think we're doing fine), but "good result=do it again" is science at its most basic.
edit on 20-3-2011 by OnTheLevel213 because: didn't close a quote.




posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:15 AM
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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by vinay86
There are several schools, colleges, universities, non-profit private organizations, who are engaged in Imparting good moral virtues and making human beings better; none of them uses blindfold, noose, swords, human skeletal remains to do that. The failure of Freemasons to address the various questions I raised about the teaching methodologies at freemasonry, further corroborates my evidence regarding the use of masonic rituals for hypnosis and indoctrinations of its members.

And, of course a Freemason who is already under hypnosis is incapable of answering that. And I seek no further answers from them. All the claims with which this thread started, have already been proven as true.

Well whoop-di-do for the other organizations. Freemasonry is its own organization and has done these rituals for centuries. These schools also do not teach through symbols. Each part of the ceremony and symbol is explained to every candidate. As you are a not a member I feel no need to explain myself to you nor do I see any need as you would call me a liar and just brush my answer off.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by vinay86

Originally posted by network dude
Men who may have been Freemasons may have colonized your home, but you cannot lay blame on them any more than you could the Catholic religion, or the Protestant religion, or the Ditch diggers union. Grow up, accept responsibility, and fix your problems.


You are the same guy, who earlier told me, you have no Idea where bones are used in masonic rituals.

And I still don't. Please read slowly for maximum understanding, I have never seen human bones used in ANY ceremony Masonic or otherwise. I have been through the Scottish Rite and preformed the 20th, 21st, and 28th degree ritual.



and please tell everyone which part of masonry uses human bones.


And you also opposed Involvement of freemasonry in colonialism, now you have agreed that Freemasonry use human bones and skulls in rituals and it was involved in colonialism. I think you should fix your problems first.


I tried but to no avail, to get you to understand the stupidity of your logic. But your assertion, the men who clonized your country we all masons. Yet nothing you have brought as "proof" says that. Not even the blogs you keep thinking equal some sort of verification. Some of the men may well have been Freemasons, as a larger percentage of the population was back then, but none of that makes it a masonic function. Unless you understand what freemasonry is, you cannot understand why what you claim could not happen.

If human bones are used in some masonic ritual, then I would think there would be a good lesson attached to that, but I cannot speak on that subject any more than I can speak for the shriners, since I am not affiliated with them. You need to get better sources or stop embarrassing yourself.



Now, I ask you the same question why you are not stopping this. or you don't want to, because freemasonry itself is the biggest buyer of human skull and bones.

That is a question, which was asked to your confused friend, who has also purposely misinterpreted it to mislead the original conversation regarding the procurement of bones by freemasonry by illegal means.

He said freemasonry procures bones from India, but India has already banned such export in 1980's. And the ritualistic use of human bones is also banned in America.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Blogs don't count and freemasonrywatch is not a source of anything but bad information, so go ahead and prove that masons run out and rob graves just after they collect for the children's home.





[insult removed and member warned]
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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by vinay86
And, of course a Freemason who is already under hypnosis is incapable of answering that. And I seek no further answers from them. All the claims with which this thread started, have already been proven as true.



bwahahahahah, it's true because what? your blog said so?

Pathetic.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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"Look at your source Vinay! You are a joke!"



Can you stop insulting Vinay please ! You are not contributing to this thread by calling him a joke and pathetic .
I'm sure this is against terms and conditions ?
I have enjoyed Vinays thread please stop with the namecalling .

THANKYOU .



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Funny how "Freemasons are, at best, hypnotized cultists" never trips anybody's T&C alarms.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Or them calling us Satanists, pedophiles, criminals, murderers, and so on. Even some of them calling for the end of us through genocide or arrest.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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STOP THE MASSIVE QUOTES NOW!

For some strange reason, members in this thread are playing some sort of game with incredibly large quotes. From this point forward, any post that ignores the rules/guidelines on large quotes will simply be removed.

This thread is ridiculous. Grow up and participate like adults.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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NOT everyone has excessively long quotes, It should have been noted days ago, I dont have time nor interest
in a post that occupies a full page full of specious and silly opinions that are quoted as fact. Some here can be succinct. Other.... well it's obvious.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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Truth be told Freemasonry does not teach or instruct its members to revolution or any other action outside the Lodge. Neither can the whole Fraternity be held accountable for what a few bad apples do.

The Brother's life does revolve around Freemason nor should it. It was one facet of one's life. I have other things of which my time is dedicated to. I have an awesome little nephew that no one could pay me enough to segregate myself from him.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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I agree with Skeptic Overlord. This thread is ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Well this is somewhat true, though its the choice of the free will that makes use of the knowledge moral or immoral. From my understanding, its a battle between the artificial and the original people, and this battle has been fought for over 4000 years. Its very 'interesting' that the indigenous/original peoples have been systematically attacked; their culture, history, language and anything else which creates their identity damaged beyond recognition. Whats 'ironic' is that the oppressor is using knowledge from the oppressed people, and attempting to claim it as their own.



posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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A good informative thread, you have stated in your location tab, that you are from India. I am a great admirer of Indian culture and I visit India a lot. So, this makes me believe that this global awakening is really happening.


Freemasonry is a gang of capitalist monarchs, who earn their profits through wars, genocides, massacres, plunders and exploitation of people and resources all over the world. Profit, Power and Control over the governments is all what they care about.

How freemasonry spread-ed into all of the continents in the world ? The answer is "through colonization", Freemasons killed millions across the world to dominate their countries for exploitation of rich mineral resources and earn profits, they also annihilated many ancient indigenous cultures like aboriginals in Australia, American Indians, African tribes etc.


These capitalist monarchies are also known as 13 Illuminati bloodline families, they are the owners of freemasonry and several other such secret societies. They operate global secret society network around the globe, and yes a majority of masonic lodges were established in various countries by them during the colonial era.


All of its members are brainwashed through rituals,symbols and indoctrinations, in the same way Islamic terrorists are trained to kill, by implanting in their minds false ideologies like paradise in afterlife etc.


That can also explain the lack of empathy towards humanity, members of such secret societies have. It's all about disassociation with the conscious self, so that a person can be made to do anything which his master says, without the feeling of remorse or regret. Overall an excellent thread keep it up.


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Our leadership is chosen in a democratic process and by the very decentralized confederate system Freemasonry is we cannot have a central leadership. Plus you have provided no proof as to counter my claim.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Freemasonry is definetely gay, look at all of their stuff that come in colours. Their weird symbols and colorfull clothes. Yikes.

Why would normal people behave like that? Engaging in silly communal rituals. Thats fag sh*t if u ask me. Pardon my language



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by coyote66
Freemasonry is definetely gay, look at all of their stuff that come in colours. Their weird symbols and colorfull clothes. Yikes.

Why would normal people behave like that? Engaging in silly communal rituals. Thats fag sh*t if u ask me. Pardon my language
Was there a particular reason you chose to resurrect a nine month old thread about Colonialism, Wars, Genocides and Revolutions to attach your insults to? Wouldn't one of the threads already on the first page have done just as well?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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I'm sure the founders of the ritual didn't think about color coordination, they were thinking about symbolism of the color.

Weird symbols? Most of our symbolism comes from operative Masonry.

There is nothing sexual (or "fag s***") about our rituals nor our meetings.
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