Originally posted by eight bits
No doubt about it, when the brain dies, the brain dies. And if the self does not, then how do you propose that the dead should tell you?
We die when the brain dies.
You say this like one who is really in the know about it. Ever had an NDE? Ever Astral Projected? Ever been "out of body" for even a few seconds?
I used to be like you, and I too believed that dead is dead. But friend, when someone you knew and loved dearly comes to your bed, in full bodily
form, touchable, smellable, and he was much younger than I remembered. Also, before he passed, Grandpa had Black Lung disease and a bad back. He
always walked with a cane, and coughed constantly. This was not present at all. He took me by the hand and we talked for a long time, most of the
night, actually. He reminded me of certain promises I have made to him, and he showed me things that amazed me. Upon my return, I saw my body laying
there, breathing, laying on it's side, and it was then that I noticed the very thin silver thread that was connecting us together. I had to crawl
back into my body. I have been out astral traveling many times, never had to do this before. I cried and cried when I got back in, which alarmed my
wife. I am telling this as I remember it, so take it as such. But I can say without any reservation that what I experienced was true and yes, there is
life after death. There is a way of looking at human spirit and again, a dictionary definition can be of use.
defines the human spirit as such:
1. the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.
2. the incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.
3. the soul regarded as separating from the body at death.
4. conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.
5. a supernatural, incorporeal being, especially one inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits.
6. a fairy, sprite, or elf.
7. an angel or demon.
Believe in Angels and Demons? Spirit without body.
It should be noted that spirit is equated,
to some extent, with consciousness,
and it is surely the latter that provides the greater
evolution in the life of humanity. In common terms, the Spirit evolves, not the body, except for minor cosmetic changes, surgeries, deformities, and
other ways of changing the human receptacle. It grows older with each passing day, and I can really attest to that, being as I am more than half a
century old. My spirit, however, is young, and strong. And here is the best part...I am my Spirit. I come from a Divine source, as all of you did. A
part of that Divine source resides within every one of us, and it is Immortal, for it is Energy, the most pure energy in the Universe. Go right now
and look in your mirror. Say these words: "I AM." Say it loud. Look into the eyes that stare back at you. Do you see what I am telling you?
Science has nothing in its findings that can predict living systems will possess consciousness. There is no way to measure this, and without measure,
a scientist is lost, and cannot define a thing. Consciousness seems to be above and beyond the basic material construction of carbon based physical
bodies. Investigations of near-death experiences, for example, reveals that those experiencing this phenomena are convinced that they can exist
without a body. I am one of these. This is also consistent with many statements; by individuals who can deeply immerse themselves in a
meditative/contemplative state and experience direct contact with beings existing on higher planes of existence, without any evidence of possessing a