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Originally posted by Vizzle
Actually, if you would have read a book, you would know that my ancestors worked side by side with yours on the railroads. We also got off boats in new york, and were enlisted on the spot for the union army during the civil war, (I.E. My ancestors died for your freedom) you have no idea what you are talking about. It truly shows. How sad.
I didn't complain about money being given to minorities with impoverished backgrounds. Do not put words in my mouth. I did however, say that there were not any scholarships available to me. Are you on drugs? What proved that I have never gone to school? I am currently in school. I even said "All i got was a pell grant". Come back when you aren't high. I never said I was denied entrance to the best schools, once again, stop making stuff up. As a student in the Univ. California school system, I think my school is fairly decent. Thanks.
I have not pointed fingers at anyone. All I have said is don't judge me by my skin color, which you continue to do.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
First of all, you have no idea who my ancestors are or where they come from. Don't deceive yourself into believing I am a minority because I was raised to look at things crtically and logically from multiple points of view.
I made it very clear, if you read my earlier post that I have never singled out white men and tried to make them feel guilty for what SOME of their ancestors might have or might not have done because every human being has an ancestor that harmed or did evil to someone at some point in time.
Don't put words in my mouth and don't be a liar because your statement about not being able to find scholarships for white males is a total lie. There are literally tons of scholarships for white males and the rest pf the world that are based on merit and financial need. You clearly did not qualify for those and tried to point out all the other scholarships as way to victimize yourself and it was totally transparent.
There are literally tons of scholarships for white males and the rest pf the world that are based on merit and financial need
It comes down to being a decent human and being honest with yourself. You most likely did not work very hard academically to qualify for a full scholarship and now you want to balk, well I am not buying it.
If I live in a good neighborhood and go to a good school and if I end up at the end of high school with 95 average and some school decides to give a scholarship or accepta candidate with an 80 average because their family and ancestors have been oppressed for centuries I would happily accept that fact. It wouldn't matter where in the world that candidate is from or what colore he/she was. Do you know why? I know I am good enough and smart enough that there are 10 other universities or scholarships waiting or me. No need to begrudge someone whose effort to achieve what they did in their environment was probably way greater than the effort I put forth to achieve what I did in my environment. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
I have seen recruiters for top companies turn away 4.0 candidates for people with 3.0 because the 4.0 lived on campus and just went to school and never worked and the 3.0 managed to finish school while working full-time. It doesn't matter what the number says, it's all relative to effort based on circumstance.
Yeah if put yourself through school and work, it's respectable. If you complain about someone else's circumstances that you know nothing about and are bitter or angry at the next person it just makes you seem like a loser.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
The advantage is that poor whites still had and have the advantage of undeserved favor from RACIST RICH ELITES. When racist business owners would not employ minorities who were equally or more qualified than their white counterparts. Did white people step aside and say, this isn't fair for me to get the job just because I'm white. NO, they happily took the job and enjoyed the UNDESERVED benefit in terms of income and the opportunity for economic advancement for their families.
.edit on 1-3-2011 by MaryStillToe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Coming from a white family you will have SOME TYPE of connection that can give you a upper hand.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
you can move to N. Dakota (or some other extremely racist section of the midwest) and decide to live the rugged life without the nearest neighbors looking at you strange and declaring, "You're a long way from home boi aren't ya!" You would be free to give up the city/suburban life and live in the woods and sticks and live like Daniel Boone.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
As a white male in America, you have an advantage on everyone else from jump, even if you come from a poor trailer park. You always have the ability of mingling with the rest of white America and being shown HOW to make money.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
Boo hoo, you thought you were special and should be entitled to things you never worked for.
Originally posted by Janky Red
reply to post by DZAG Wright
I think your post is foolish, being white is not some club... Nobody comes around and shows me or gives me squat,the majority of your post is based upon your prejudices and assumptions. I agree to some degree with the LEO profiling, but thats about it... Gonna go drive my Bentley to my secret honkey meeting now
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
Reply to Vizzle and Black Ops:
Okay, so your direct ancestors were not around 400 years ago when the natives and africans were being killed, enslaved, and discrminated against, right? So why is that even your problem?
The one thing that stands out is that your families and the majority of your ethnic group were not forced to come to America. More importantly, even when white people were discriminated against because of their ancestry it was POSSIBLE for their children to assimilate and be accepted as equals. While all Europeans do not look the same, many of them could blend in by learning the language and losing their accent and by adopting the culture. They could even change their name if required. Natives and blacks could not change their color or their features. Do you see the difference? No matter how much they learned or tried to assimilate, they still were denied opportunities based only on their skin color. My mother always taught me not to make fun of something someone can't change. Well in the same, it's the worst kind of discrimination to use someone's skin color as reason for prejudice. I know people bleach their skin and get plastic surgery now, but this wasn't an option then, and it really should never have to be an option.
Secondly, your families chose to come here because they wanted to benefit from the opportunities that the country had to offer, right? Again due to the racist rich elites, your ancestors could still surpass the colored minorities who were already in this country after only a generation or two because they did not face color based discrimination. You and your familiies intended to become prosperous in a system that was only able to flourish because of past and present wrong doing. Yet you feel, it's out of your control and simply not your problem.
Your families moved into the grand mansion of America with the minority help still confined to a shack out back. Maybe you started in the basement when you first came, but your white ancestors had every opportunity to move up to the nicer floors with hard work simply becaue they were white. The minorities were still confined to the shack out back, due to no fault of their own but instead racist discrimination.
I am not going to pretend that all minorities are hard working today, because some of them are not, but that happened after many generations of abuse by society. Of course some were fortunate, but many were not and the legacy of what was done is still there today. You may find it hard to believe but there is plenty of racism today all over the world. Simply based on skin color.
The racist rich elite knew they could use the white population to turn a blind eye by promising most of them one step up above the minorities on the pyramid scheme. The white people never realized that the pyramid would keep getting taller, but they would never move up any higher but eternally stay one step above poverty. Now all white people direct all of theis misguided anger at the 2 or 3 minorities who the elite let into the top floors. Yeah that is really logical.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
reply to post by Vizzle
Like I said in the beggining. The white families who came over and made themself successful on the backs of minorities and the white poor are living pretty nicely and have managed to pass down the wealth to many generations.
You and your ancestors were very happy with the racist status quo when you thought all white people were being taken to paradise. Now the veil has been removed and you see the elite used your ignorant white guillible ancestors like whores and everyone else. Boo hoo, you thought you were special and should be entitled to things you never worked for.
.edit on 1-3-2011 by MaryStillToe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
First of all, you have no idea who my ancestors are or where they come from. Don't deceive yourself into believing I am a minority because I was raised to look at things crtically and logically from multiple points of view.
edit on 1-3-2011 by MaryStillToe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
I made it very clear, if you read my earlier post that I have never singled out white men and tried to make them feel guilty for what SOME of their ancestors might have or might not have done because every human being has an ancestor that harmed or did evil to someone at some point in time.
Don't put words in my mouth and don't be a liar because your statement about not being able to find scholarships for white males is a total lie. There are literally tons of scholarships for white males and the rest pf the world that are based on merit and financial need. You clearly did not qualify for those and tried to point out all the other scholarships as way to victimize yourself and it was totally transparent.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
reply to post by Vizzle
The white families who came over and made themself successful on the backs of minorities and the white poor are living pretty nicely and have managed to pass down the wealth to many generations.
You and your ancestors were very happy with the racist status quo when you thought all white people were being taken to paradise. Now the veil has been removed and you see the elite used your ignorant white guillible ancestors like whores and everyone else. Boo hoo, you thought you were special and should be entitled to things you never worked for.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
If you complain about someone else's circumstances that you know nothing about and are bitter or angry at the next person it just makes you seem like a loser.
Originally posted by Vizzle
So you are just full of your self? Then why do you keep saying "You" and "Your Ancestors" instead of "My" or "Our Ancestors"? Or do your ancestors not count? Of course not.
Originally posted by Vizzle
Source this please, I could use a scholarship =) And if you link to fastweb, I will literally die of laughter. I have a 3.72 gpa, and am a white male. Scholarship me plz. No source means once again, you are blowing hot air.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
Do you have a 200 year old diary that recounts that they lived a life shunning racist discrimination? Prove me to be a liar and tell me they that they rejected Jim Crow laws and segregation and fought for equal rights.
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
If you really think about it, there are already plenty of scholarships for smart white men whether poor or rich to help educate themselves. These scholarships will likely be aimed at helping giving an edge to more low achieving white males, which is bad for the economy and is a waste of resources.
If a bunch of people want to get together and try to help low achieving white males get an extra helping hand it's their right to do so. However, this type of mindset is what ruined our country and economy in the first place.
Originally posted by Violater1
Is this any different than the American Negro College fund?
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
Unlike you I am not racist and I know that fair complexioned people from the European continent are all very different. When I said your ancestors, I meant YOUR ancestors, that is all. We likely do not likely come from the same bloodline unless you trace my DNA back over 10,000 years.
Plus how could you call me a liar. Do you have a journal that documents the belief system of your great grandfather or grandmother? Do you have a 200 year old diary that recounts that they lived a life shunning racist discrimination? Prove me to be a liar and tell me they that they rejected Jim Crow laws and segregation and fought for equal rights.
First off, I don't know what is your field of study or what school you to go because that plays a big part, Second off, it's not my job to find you scholarships that's your job. Practically EVERY school has a list of scholarships that all students qualify for.
Race is not an issue for most scholarships. However many of them are only available to high school students unless it has to do with specific field of study and then they offer scholarships depending on your field study.
Please stop acting foolish.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by MaryStillToe
Do you have a 200 year old diary that recounts that they lived a life shunning racist discrimination? Prove me to be a liar and tell me they that they rejected Jim Crow laws and segregation and fought for equal rights.
A lot of our families werent even here 200 years ago. Besides the burden of proof should lay upon the person making the accusation.
You prove they were.
Originally posted by Vizzle
reply to marystilltoe:
See, my ancestors immigrated here from Europe about 200 years ago.edit on 1-3-2011 by Vizzle because: nudity