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Scientists And Scientific Freedom Under Attack

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Boon,

That is very interesting.

I did attempt to investigate Moshe, just one of the supposed Microbioligists from Israel.
I get a complete dead end, and run around...too much disinformation to know what really happened.

However, if you would like to add a few names, we could go from there.




posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
I did attempt to investigate Moshe, just one of the supposed Microbioligists from Israel.
I get a complete dead end, and run around...too much disinformation to know what really happened.


I kinda expected that

the Mossad are very thorough.
Most loose ends are either deleted
or find a bullet.


Originally posted by burntheships
However, if you would like to add a few names, we could go from there.



the list of names of the dead scientist
would be an excellent place to start



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tephra
Real science died when the field became dependent on government funding/grants.

They pay the scumbags who will give them the findings they want.

If the whole global warming thing wasn't proof you can't trust em, I don't know what is.

There are thousands of scientists out there desperate to be part of real science, but many unfortunately have given in and basically perform on demand results service for the government.
edit on 28-2-2011 by Tephra because: (no reason given)

aaaaaand this is why I didn't go into science.

The statistical corruption and federal meritocracy system, "scientists" being dependent on them for their jobs, told from school-age that the jobs labeled as scientist are actual science..

"Statistical Evidence" taken and treated as fact, getting studies to "say" what you want them to...

This is the biggest problem, larger than any monetary system corruption or abortion or labor union or immigration debates..



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Ok boon, star 4 u!

A large grouping of 11 leading microbiologists dead in just 5 months.

11 Microbiologists dead In 5 months

Benito Que, 52, was an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been beaten on Nov. 12 in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating. Doctors then began to suspect a stroke.

Just four days after Dr. Que fell unconscious came the mysterious disappearance of Don Wiley, 57, one of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza. He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was later found in the Mississippi River. Forensic experts said he may have had a dizzy spell and have fallen off the bridge.

Just five days after that, the world-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector Valdimir Pasechnik, 64, fell dead. The pathologist who did the autopsy, and who also happened to be associated with Britain's spy agency, concluded he died of a stroke.Dr. Pasechnik, who defected to the United Kingdom in 1989, played a huge role in Russian biowarfare and helped to figure out how to modify cruise missiles to deliver the agents of mass biological destruction.

The next two deaths came four days apart in December. Robert Schwartz, 57, was stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and several of her fellow pagans have been charged. Dr. Schwartz was an expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms, who worked at the Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon, Va.

Four days later, Nguyen Van Set, 44, died at work in Geelong, Australia, in a laboratory accident. He entered an airlocked storage lab and died from exposure to nitrogen.

Other scientists at the animal diseases facility of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization had just come to fame for discovering a virulent strain of mousepox, which could be modified to affect smallpox.

Then in February, the Russian microbiologist Victor Korshunov, 56, an expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world, was bashed over the head near his home in Moscow. Five days later the British microbiologist Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home near Norwich, England, naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair. He was an expert in environmental risks and disease.

Two weeks later, two prominent microbiologists died in San Francisco. Tanya Holzmayer, 46, a Russian who moved to the U.S. in 1989, focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. She was killed by fellow microbiologist Guyang (Matthew) Huang, 38, who shot her seven times when she opened the door to a pizza delivery. Then he shot himself.

The final two deaths came one day after the other in March. David Wynn-Williams, 55, a respected astrobiologist with the British Antarctic Survey, who studied the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space, died in a freak road accident near his home in Cambridge, England. He was hit by a car while he was jogging.The following day, Steven Mostow, 63, known as Dr. Flu for his expertise in treating influenza, and a noted expert in bioterrorism, died when the airplane he was piloting crashed near Denver.


1. Nov. 12, 2001-Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001-Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001-Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001-Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001-Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002-Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002-Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002-San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002-David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002-Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.


David Kelley
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Michael Perich
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Dan Burisch Area 51 Microbiologist
www.rense.com...


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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Science has always been repressed by the elite consensus.




 
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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Research takes funding. You know who's willing to pay for funding? The government and industry. Outside of that, there's really no funding avaliable.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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wow, very nice work there

star for you.

Did you also notice the date ???

Every one of those were within 6
months AFTER 9/11.

Do you also remember how over 10,000
people have had respiratory illnesses
due to ground zero ??? I wonder what else
was in that wall of smoke that swept through
Manhattan on 9/11 other than asbestos?
Or was asbestos the placebo?

And 9/11 had an Israeli/Mossad connection
as well.

Another tidbit of info:
Cristine Whitman, head of the EPA
left office right after 9/11 as well
citing incompatibilities to the BUSH
administration (rumored).

Are you sure you want to pursue this??
This may be over our heads ???

edit on 2/28/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Yes, thats precisely why I picked that grouping.
Nice of you to notice!


So where to go from there? Hummm....
I'll tell you this boon, for every link I have clicked searching, I have 9 out of 10 that
are "page not found".

This will take some work, but I am determined to get somewhere besides a dead end.

Now...back to 9/11.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
This will take some work, but I am determined to get somewhere besides a dead end.

just a note of caution,
those scientists are dead for a reason.
Maybe for the same exact reason as the
task you are about to set upon.

The Mossad is not an entity that one
needs to stick their nose into, if you
catch my drift


Just a word of concern.
As this type investigation can get
very dangerous to one's health.
I'm just worried about you


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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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BTS
but if you are determined to pursue this,
then you might wanna spend a lil money
and hire a private investigator to get
phone records and e-mails of those scientists.
If there is a common denominator, it will
show up in their communications.

Also, you may wanna check to see which
companies donate funding to those
institutions these scientists worked for.
Look for grants in excess of $10K.
And cross reference those names
with the contacts from the phone
and e-mail records and you should
have a very short list



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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BTS
you also may wanna investigate each scientists'
expertise. As they may have been working
independent of each other but in a related
category only known to their funding source.

Like in the movie "The Sum of all Fears".
3 different nuclear scientists were contracted
to build a nuclear device. The same exact 3
needed. You may find a similar connection
here. Each of them may not have even known
others were working on a different aspect of
the same project. This is exactly the same type
of compartmentalization used in Operation
Paper Clip by the US Gov after WW2.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Thanks boon,

Well your a serious investigator...
I dont think I will be spending any money on this,
it would be nice to find a few articles.

If they are out there.

Then again, maybe not.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
I dont think I will be spending any money on this,
it would be nice to find a few articles.

If they are out there.

Then again, maybe not.

not to derail your investigation but
I think you made the right decision.
very wise girl


and I don't think you will find this
type info on the web. Mossad has had
10 yrs to clean it up and tie off the
loose ends.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Jesus christ! the horror of it all!
T(h)read carefully burntheships.
You see what happens to investigators who get too close to the nasty clintons closet skeletons.
Similar fates to the above poor souls.
We are truly dealing with demons here.
All the sh!t in the world is down to the ones the people blindly trust.
The people on this site are making me sick when they defend anything and everything the governments put out.
God help us and our children.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Great post. one of the best.
what where the Microbioligists working on?
find out what is missing!
Goog Luck!
and put all info on her as soon as you get it.
and send it to freinds by post.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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The scientific field is not under attack but it under occupation like the Iraq war. These companies have already infiltrated, bought everyone and everything out, and bribed congress to help the industry take over. This is running rampant in, like you said, the food industry as well as the pharmaceutical industry.

The conflict of interest is so ridiculous! Officials who were supposed to protect the people have so much money that they have enough to bribe congress! These people are getting paid to pass dangerous drugs without time to properly test them. Scientists have been found passing fraud papers written by ghost writers and endorsing them as the real deal.

There is a big issue when pharmaceutical companies are funding the education system and providing labs for students to work in. I mean it is fine to fund schools but many scientists are being suppressed when they find new cures because the pharma companies already have dibs on anything made.

FDA are supposed to protect the people. How come pharma companies can pay $2,500 to pass the drug with barely any testing? Remember Vioxx anyone? It was approved by FDA by 1999, and withdrawn by 2004 for increased heart attack rates. The death toll was 28,000 people but a lot more had minor heart attacks and strokes. The court ordered them to pay $4.85 billion for damages. Do you know how much profit they made from 1999-2004? $2.5 billion each year! So about $10 billion in 4 years! Take away the damages they had to pay which I think the insurance paid for, you get $5.15 billion profit off people who were hurt by the product.

The corruption is ludicrous.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Good thread I like the direction you want to take with this.

I always considered one of the reasons that science ends up being wrong about a lot of things, or misdirecting people from the truth, is because of their funding sponsors.

Similar to the MSM's constant reliance on inaccurate "views", simply because their advertisers demand it by pulling the funding out from under them if they cross the line and report something "unacceptable".

Scientists are forced to adhere to the agenda of their funding source, the money with strings attached.

A great example of this is the Pharmaceutical Corporations, and their consistent trend of releasing untested newly formulated chemicals which prove to be very dangerous and sometimes fatal and then receive a black label only after 5 years of long lists of adverse side effects and fatalities.

Not only is highway robbery going on, but so is murder.
These crimes add up and in the long run, the human race suffers greatly, and our technological progress is hampered and roadblocked effectively.

Let us not forgot "Non-Profit Organizations" as well. Big massive charities like those that claim to seek cures for specific diseases or disorders like cancer are always finding excellent treatments and cures yet it is extremely rare for these constant streams of discoveries to ever reach the hospital. Many times they simply say "we need 10 more years of research on this potential cure".....yeah right, meanwhile those brand new highly questionable pharmaceuticals are totally ok to release without much testing at all.

Or how about Energy? Think of all the advanced energy related technologies that get covered up and ignored...

This subject actually effects every area of our Civilization. I cannot think of any field in science where big money creates tons of corruption, deception, misdirection, stonewalling, railroading. And sometimes murder.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by buddha
what where the Microbiologists working on?
find out what is missing!
and put all info on her as soon as you get it.

me thinks you'll be waiting
for a very long time



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Hell of a Thread S&F but without really going off topic The Media are under the same pressure - notice how they choose every single word they say - they are also in my opinion about to start banding together and shouting (we hope for all our sakes).

THE LAND OF THE FREE!

THE FREE SPEACH SOOOOOOOOOOOOO! MANY DIED FOR.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Boondocks words of caution are very legitimate.
If you are a nobody - and I mean someone who cannot be seen as a real threat, therein lies one chance to delve without potentially fatal consequence.

I used to do a hell of a lot of 'delving'...discovered many disturbing truths...but my fault was that I liked to tell people about what I was finding out, as I found them.

Mossad has many, many branches that report to them but are not seemingly directly associated.
please be careful if you plan on posting your findings - if they have enough blatant truth to them, you WILL attract attention that can seriously damage not only your health, but that of those you love and care for.

I have been threatened by an organisation working for the interests of israel because of what I was discovering.
It climaxed at the point where they had not only hacked into a very secure computer with an ease that was frightening, but they were telling me things about me that they could have only found out by talking to people I knew...that, along with their detailed threats of beheading my young son with a bowie knife...or infected him with some nasty disease if I didn't shut up, made for some worrying times.
Thankfully at the same time, fate stepped in to lend a hand and stopped my internet access for a couple of years, making it seem for all intent & purpose as though I had run scared, never to be seen again.
But things still happen that make me think I may still be watched for what I know. Perhaps it's just paranoia.

So please, if you decide to take this disturbing trek down this particular' rabbit hole', make sure you seriously know what you are getting yourself (and your family) into...Ignorance is bliss and knowledge is only power if you know what to do with it, so make sure you make it seem you are nothing to anyone - no threat, just another 'nut' for them to overlook....



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