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Christian couple lose their High Court battle to foster children because they are against homosexual

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Sex is so much fun because if it wasn't we would not do it. The human race would die off. Think about it. Child birth is painfull and sex involves alot of work. If it was no fun and was tiring and the end result was so painful would you do it?

Sorry bout getting off on a tangent about the choice of homosexuality. Back on topic. So basically most here believe that parents can only teach their children what you believe and not what they as parents believe? Why is it ok for two homosexuals to adopt and teach the child that anything is good, but for heterosexuals to adopt and teach that there are things that are wrong?
Nowhere did the article say they taught hate. They taught that homosexuality is wrong.




posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by manna2

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
 


None of you can have this conversation without accusing us of old testament savgery to make your points.
None of you can rightly portray us to make your points.
No, you spit hate and vitriolic statements meant to hurt and inflame us and others.

Nope, you guys live to hate and call it love to justify presupposed thoughts from willing action.


scuse me govnor I haven't made my arguments in any of the manners you highlighted above, please be careful with tarring us all with the same brush, if you want a non hate filled discussion, look at my posts!



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Awesome post. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again I ask everyone how teaching that something is wrong = hate? If your child murders someone, do you hate them? Probably not. Do you still love them but think they were wrong? YES.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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Sex is so much fun because if it wasn't we would not do it. The human race would die off. Think about it. Child birth is painfull and sex involves alot of work. If it was no fun and was tiring and the end result was so painful would you do it?

Sorry bout getting off on a tangent about the choice of homosexuality. Back on topic. So basically most here believe that parents can only teach their children what you believe and not what they as parents believe? Why is it ok for two homosexuals to adopt and teach the child that anything is good, but for heterosexuals to adopt and teach that there are things that are wrong?
Nowhere did the article say they taught hate. They taught that homosexuality is wrong.


Exactly, I do not think it even said they taught their belief that homosexuality is wrong, and as they have been prevented for adopting we will never know how they handle this issue. I firmly believe unless there is evidence that they are going to indoctrinate hatred then they should be allowed to foster/adopt kids. It is insanity to think that all parents are perfect and without prejudice and these guys seem to be able to offer a stable home and a moralistic balance to life. If they were out gay bashing daily then it would be different.

It goes back to what I said poreviously, the UK is too hellbent on potential crimes and abuses, using witchcraft and 'expert' opinions to divine potential harm. It has to stop.

In all respects these people seem decent for all we know they might approach the issue of homosexuality by saying it is against their beliefs but ultimately a personal decision????!!!!????



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by spacedonk

Originally posted by Christian Voice
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It is a choice no matter how you cut it. Noone has ever held a gun to a homosexual's head and made them homosexual. It is a physical and mental choice. Go ahead and ask if I chose to be hetero. The purpose of sex is for procreation, plain and simple.


Then why is sex so much fun, a stress release, it is for more than reproduction etc etc?

Of course being gay is not a choice it is a physiological reaction to another being. I am hetero and have a gay brother in law who came out to me first when he was 18, perhaps cos he knew I didnt care what floated his boat.

When I see a sexy woman I get a physiological reaction, sweaty palms increased pulse and so on, it happens for me with the other sex for homosexuals from what I understand this reaction occurs for them too, just with members of the same sex.

IMO you are TOTALLY wrong and cannot choose to be gay, there is no choice to how your body reacts to sexual attraction whatever the cause of it.
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You are wrong. example for sexual attraction.
If I am tempted to commit adultery simply because I want to, it is my choice and it is still wrong.
You can build up a sexual addiction from a lack of control and will power.
Some more susceptible than others.
To think that this is wrong flies in the face of everything every serial rapist claims.
EVERY serial rapist is addicted to porn.
Deal with it, it's fact.

homosexuality is in the same bed as any sexual addict such as adulterers.

To say that a child molester is born that way sounds sick doesn't it?



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
Why can't you just admit you get off being hateful? I remember going onto the white power website and debating with them. And yes, they would also bring up their religion and some how believe that all the non whites they hate is right. But i posted something, and none of them would answer, and i got banned.

I said how many of you people are violent people at heart. How many of you like to beat on your partner, or go and beat someone up for a laugh. I bet you all the money i have that a good 90% of these people are like this, and they use their religion as an excuse to do this.

Its just pure hate, and no one on this thread will have the balls to admit that!


QFT

Just remember, true happiness leaves no room for hatred. Those proving themselves so full of it must be pretty pathetic, sad individuals. I pity such people when they are alone with themselves in the night.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by manna2


You are wrong. example for sexual attraction.
If I am tempted to commit adultery simply because I want to, it is my choice and it is still wrong.
You can build up a sexual addiction from a lack of control and will power.
Some more susceptible than others.
To think that this is wrong flies in the face of everything every serial rapist claims.
EVERY serial rapist is addicted to porn.
Deal with it, it's fact.

homosexuality is in the same bed as any sexual addict such as adulterers.

To say that a child molester is born that way sounds sick doesn't it?




No you are talking about acting upon temptation and not the distinction of core sexuality and attraction. They are different an adulterer is wrong but that is a choice to violate commitments they have made in their life. A homosexual person can also be homosexual without acting upon it. Take the closet homosexual who is attracted to same sex but married to conform, are they right or wrong in your opinion? If they are never going to act upon their desires but are effectively tricking their partner by fronting a hetero lifestyle are they right or wrong?

Your example of child abuse is off the mark as would an example be for murder or rape, they are choices one makes to ignore the rules of society.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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dude, endocrine disrupters and female hormones permeate your water and food supply.
Please tell me what you know of how this effects your sexual desires, scientificly.
It is a beyond doubt absolute fact this is so.
It is in your food and water.
So in knowing how much you guys like "science" to support this being born that way thing please enlighten me in what you know from the science being done to show how this is effecting sexuality???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I can assure you I will get zero evidence and probably zero responses from ANYONE that thinks on this and does their due diligence.

If they put crap in our food and water that made us lean in the direction of pedophilia we will be having this exact same discussion using the exact same args.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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an adulterer is wrong only because you say so.
It's based on morality
Where did you think you get to make moral claims in this thread?

The greeks had 4 words for love.
How come I always have to defend "love" in these topics from eros alone?
It's the lowest form of love, anilistic.
It comes nowhere from desribing the deeper love that comes from covenant relationships.
You have it in your mind you are making points against me but you actually support my views in more ways than you expect.
Sexual attarction only gets your foot in the door to build deeper relationships that lead to so much more than just eros.
So to base your arg on eros alone leaves your entire arg wanting imo.
Sure, I am about to hear how homos need the same, it is their rights.
If so then the sexual attractionhj thing was a trojan horse the entire way.
If I want to honor my covenant and have love grow I will set aside my lustful urges of the flesh to achieve greater love from a covenant relationship. Child bearing plays a HUGE part of this, as is obv ious in this thread.
homosexual unions are now becoming posers fo hetero relationships and worse yet, they want us to have to publicly claim that they are good in doing it.

It's not about love from your end.
You don't intend to love us into your fold.
You intend to lie abouit us, gossip about us, make laws against us and beat us with sticks till we say uncle and claim you are good and holy and if we do not comply you will slander us and hate us and say nasty things about us to do it.
There is no arg from your side, just fists up and hateful rhetoric implying somehow that what we say is what you meant, hate.


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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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It is a choice no matter how you cut it. Noone has ever held a gun to a homosexual's head and made them homosexual. It is a physical and mental choice. Go ahead and ask if I chose to be hetero. The purpose of sex is for procreation, plain and simple. The outcome of a man's orgasm is the release of sperm. Sperm's only purpose in life is to fertilize an egg and create life. Given that, if the purpose of sperm is for reproduction, and it is released during sex then we can summize that the purpose for sex is reproduction. Therefore, reproduction is natural. Now there is no possible way for a man's sperm entering another man's anything to fertilize anything, therefore homosexuality is unnatural. If it is unnatural then you would have to make a decision to act on it. We're not talking about skin color which cannot be controlled but a perverse sexuality that can be controlled. Go ahead and argue that you are born that way. Pedophiles and zoophiles make the exact same arguement. Are either of those natural? No.


What a complete load of rubbish. So, are you telling me that all the gay people, say in Africa, choose to be gay so they can risk being beaten and murdered, And it is like this in many countries, esp in the middle east. Your ignorance is an insult to all these gay people who have been murdered for being true to who they are!



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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Read my last post. You don't have to use religion to argue homosexuality. I am Christian but I am also very logical and homosexuality is not logical at all. What do two men do with each other when in a homosexual relationship? They emulate heterosexual sex. What do two women do? They emulate heterosexual sex. Why be woman on woman and use a fake penis? Why be man on man and use an orifice that's not a vagina? Because homosexuals are simply something unnatural pretending to do something natural.


And its also not logical for people to choose to be gay and risk being beaten and murdered.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by manna2
reply to post by spacedonk
 


an adulterer is wrong only because you say so.
It's based on morality
Whewre did you think you get to make moral claims in this thread?


can you answer my question about the closet homosexual who has never acted on his urges, how does that fit into your opinions regarding homosexuaity. Also adultery is considered by society at large to be wrong, that is why i reused your example in respect of exercising choice.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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it's ridiculous to read this thread and say that it is Christians who hate others when you guys are the most hateful bunch of people on the planet.


Then you fail to understand what hate is.



To think we can trust you with children and not promote hate for Christians is beyond ridiculous and absurd.


"You"? I am not homosexual. I do not promote hate, I promote equality.

Again, you fail to understand what hate is.



None of you can have this conversation without accusing us of old testament savgery to make your points.


Poster "Christian Voice", claimed that the bible does not promote throwing your daughter to a mob to be raped. I proved him wrong.

It's too bad that "your" oh so honest side, cannot stick to the facts or read the whole topic.



None of you can rightly portray us to make your points.


You portray yourselves in such a way, that we do not even have to make points against you. Your conduct puts you in a bad light, much more than anything I could ever say about you.



No, you spit hate and vitriolic statements meant to hurt and inflame us and others.


So telling a Christian that Christ wasn't against homosexuals is hateful and vitriolic?

I think you have spent to much time with your thesaurus, and not enough time with your dictionary.



Nope, you guys live to hate and call it love to justify presupposed thoughts from willing action.


Yeah, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat the word. You are misapplying the word hate, and only embarrassing yourself.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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it's ridiculous to read this thread and say that it is Christians who hate others when you guys are the most hateful bunch of people on the planet.
To think we can trust you with children and not promote hate for Christians is beyond ridiculous and absurd.
None of you can have this conversation without accusing us of old testament savgery to make your points.
None of you can rightly portray us to make your points.
No, you spit hate and vitriolic statements meant to hurt and inflame us and others.

Nope, you guys live to hate and call it love to justify presupposed thoughts from willing action.

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No, as a rule, religous people are hateful about something, be it race,religon,sex, gay, whatever, you people always have one. Funny that there is so much hate in something that is supposed to be peaceful!



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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What? People choose to do things everywhere everyday that have consequences. Seriously,,, how often do people get beaten and killed because they are homosexual? I know it happens, but nowhere near as often as it is partrayed. I know plenty of gay men and gay women. They've never been beaten. Actually as far as I know they've never been gone off on about it or shunned. Cry me a river.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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Awesome post. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again I ask everyone how teaching that something is wrong = hate? If your child murders someone, do you hate them? Probably not. Do you still love them but think they were wrong? YES.


Thats completly different. A gay person will not bring harm to you or your family. So how you can put that in the same sentence as murder is just stupid! But then again, your beliefs are from a human made book



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Actually, homosexuality is considered to be wrong by society at large. Homosexuals make up about 6% of the population. That says to me the vast majority of the population disagrees with it. Heck, sodomy was illegal in the US until 2003.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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What? People choose to do things everywhere everyday that have consequences. Seriously,,, how often do people get beaten and killed because they are homosexual? I know it happens, but nowhere near as often as it is partrayed. I know plenty of gay men and gay women. They've never been beaten. Actually as far as I know they've never been gone off on about it or shunned. Cry me a river.


You are joking right? Go and look what happens to gay people in africa and the middle east. Even the place where i was born kuton (uk) was quite bad for gay people getting beaten up. You really don't know what you are talking about!



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
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Actually, homosexuality is considered to be wrong by society at large. Homosexuals make up about 6% of the population. That says to me the vast majority of the population disagrees with it. Heck, sodomy was illegal in the US until 2003.


I am not sure I agree with that. In the past I can agree, but as you say times and views change. The fact sodomy has been legalised implies it is now socially acceptable. The example manna used of adultery is not accepted socially and is used as a reason for divorce in some cases which confirms it is not socially acceptable.

Also in terms of minority, under 1% of the population are professional sportspeople, because most do not do that for a living does not mean it is socially unnacceptable. Homosexuality is a minority in terms of population but a socially acceptable minority.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Save your Bible bashing hatred for a Bible bashing thread. This thread is not about that. Again, I haven't brought up my Christian beliefs yet. I don't have to.
I sincerely believe the courts were wrong in their ruling on this. If a homosexual couple can adopt then so should this couple.



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