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Christian couple lose their High Court battle to foster children because they are against homosexual

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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I hope you and celimonster are both this vocal when Sharia begins to take root here. Liberals seem to have so much hatred for Christianity but seem to have nothing to say regarding Sharia Law. Under Sharia, an adulteress can be stoned to death, or even beheaded. Interestingly, that went out of style for Christians when Jesus came to the defense of a prostitute and suggested that whoever there had not sinned cast the first stone. Think you know the real teachings of Christ?




posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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It appears to me that this couple were victimized for anothers agenda, did any body else get the feeling the social worker may have had too an important role in this?
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Yes, most likely the judge and social worker involved in the case are activist for the Socialist agenda of the Supreme State. Karl Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto that the nucleus of the family must be destroyed to bring in the State. In this light, it becomes easy to see Hillary's "It Takes A Village" is of the same Marxist agenda.
For instance heres a quote from the Communist Manifesto, "The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting,.."
and this, "Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women."

More ranting against the family, "Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.
On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.
The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital."

and here are some of the direct goals of communism as stated in the Communist Manifesto:
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1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
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So that is Marrxism
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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If they promote intolterance, they should expect what they got. It's as simple as that.

There is no proof that god exists but no one will deny that gay people do.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by Garfee
If they promote intolterance, they should expect what they got. It's as simple as that.

There is no proof that god exists but no one will deny that gay people do.


Fact is, there is a very high chance that God does not exist, and evidence tells you that religon is man made, but you can't sway peoples beliefs.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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So how many of you actually abide by the rules of the bible?



Quoting the bible in these matters is circular. The fact remains that if a person is indoctrinating hatred towards fellow human beings, it should not be allowed. Prevention is after all, better than cure.

To the people that say homosexuality is against nature (though it is not pertinent to this topic and has possibly been mentioned previously): it is in fact a quite common occurrence for animals to engage in homosexual relationships. Nine in every ten pairings in the giraffe world are between males.

en.wikipedia.org...




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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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It is right that they were refused, no you do not talk to a young child about sexuality but they would have to when he/she gets older and no doubt their views will be the same. A child needs a balanced view of the world to help him/her grow into a balanced adult. Also do not forget the Bible was written by man for man and was changed by man to fit certain views. I am not really a believer but are we not all children of God be it straight or Homosexual. God works in mysterious ways and we have Homosexuals because God created some off us that way or are they the works of the guy downstairs, if you do believe thus shall it be sayeth the Lord. Amen.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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So tired of the hate. I'm perfectly straight but have NOTHING against gay people at all. They're human just like everyone else.

And I was raised Methodist but even I know that it's just a fairy tale to an extent. Christianity is WAY newer than any other religion that it's BASED off of. Pagans, Norse gods, Egyptian gods, etc., all those way older and yet have the same stories that Christianity has. Whatever. Religion; the adult version of Santa/Easter Bunny etc.

I like the idea of living life great and doing unto others.
But paying attention to some thing written by Man 2000 some years ago and then for 2000 years being tweaked, interpreted, changed, added to, taken away, interpreted again, and again and again and more added and more taken away? I guarantee you that the today Bible is beyond gone the route of the childs game "Telephone". If anyone ever saw the ORIGINAL Bible writings, they'd SO be far off from anything we have today.

Love is love is love.
We're all one race: the human race.
stop the hate before we all are destroyed by some natural disaster.
Oh, we'll then wish we opened our hearts and minds and realized. But stay in your bubble of hate and ignorance. You'll be the FIRST ones who are wishing you had the ability to go back and rethink the petty hate you sent out for really NO good reason.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Good post
The sad thing is, these people really do think they are going by Gods word, and not normal human beings, and thats the sad thing about all this
But we are are very hateful race, and we will always turn something peaceful, into something hateful, thats just the way we are at the moment



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Amen to that could not have said it better myself, to much hate in the world today, and for all you disbelievers that the bible has not been changed check out this interesting link-dangerousintersection.org...



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:29 AM
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Well, that's retarded. How does how you view a social issue make you a bad parent? Next what, slander peoplewho are not liberal?



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:32 AM
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Because of their views about homosexuals will not allow them to give a balanced view to their child when older.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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I mean look, I think the article is dishonest and there must be more to it.

I know its not nice for some to hear it but a hell of alot of men are homophobic, especially in the older generations where political correctness wasn't as much around. BUT, I guarantee there's tons of children being fostered by "homophobes" right now. Not only that, there's probably hundreds of thousands of children being raised by their homophobe parents. RIGHT NOW.

So clearly to me there's something more to it. Because usually it's not a problem or something at the forefront. People who don't even like gays most the time you wouldn't even know. It's not something that people genuinely bring up. So for this to be brought up, known and gone to court suggests this couple must be some sort of hardline hate mongers.

People have a right to whatever view they want, but so do organisations have rights to their views. I understand the position of the courts.

I wonder if these foster parents would support the right of Neo-Nazis to foster children? Somehow I think not.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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It is right that they were refused, no you do not talk to a young child about sexuality but they would have to when he/she gets older and no doubt their views will be the same


I wonder if you felt the same about this when Obama said he believed in implementing sex ed for kindergartners? So Christian parents are not allowed to transfer to their children religious and moral values, but Obama and SIECUS and the NEA and gay parents should be allowed to share their sexual mores to kindergartners and adoptive children? That's really an interesting take on the Constitution of our Founding Fathers. And by the way, do you really believe that a gay couple does not transfer to children their value system and mores? If you believe they don't I would suggest you take some courses in child pyschology and parenting. Why do you think the public education takes indoctrinating generations of children so very seriously?

Here's Obama on sex ed ... "But it's the right thing to do"

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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Since I am from the UK, what Obama says does not matter to me, I agree sex ed should not be taught to Kindergartners, emotionally or mentally they are not ready. By the way could not access the vid you posted. I do not think gay couples will tell their children its better to be gay which I think is what you are infering, they certainly would not say its wrong and against God's will to be straight. Probably would teach them to be more tollerant of others because they know what its like to be on the end of some homophobic rant. the case in question is more to do with equalitie laws here in the UK, maybe political correctness gone mad but its the law, it is obvious to me that if the question came up this couple would tell the child that being gay is wrong, it is not, you can not choose how you are born, it is the law of nature, no one has the right to say it is wrong.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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if god is real, and he created the humans in his own image, then that surely would include the mind.

the human brain is what gives us the ability to reason, use logic, show compassion and above all - to know the difference between right and wrong.

discriminating on the grounds of sexual orientation is wrong, and using the so called 'words of christ' to justify bigotry goes against everything christianity is supposed to stand for.

I guess its all ooen to interpretation but, as another poster put it brilliantly...there is no proof for god, but nobody would deny that gay people exist...

people are people, regardless of sexual preference, colour, disability or indeed, religion.

stop the hate. its just really, really silly.

much love, stu



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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Interestingly, the NEA financially supports specific sexual agendas.
saynsumthn.wordpress.com...< br /> "Homosexual Advocacy
The NEA is squarely in the back pocket of gay advocates. The Wall Street Journal reported (2006) that the NEA gave $65 million to liberal groups such as the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), the Human Rights Campaign, and People for the American Way"
"Parental Rights
The NEA, in spite of their rhetoric, is not a friend to parents. It appears that the NEA, not parents, “know best.” The NEA is in league with groups such as Planned Parenthood and SEICUS to promote what they call “Comprehensive Sex Education” in the schools. The NEA recommends that parents not be allowed to “opt out” their children when comprehensive sex education and “diversity” curriculum is being taught. They ..."

As if that is not enough, here is some info about the SIECUS agenda..
."The SIECUS guidelines make clear that sex ed for kindergartners is precisely what the mainline sex education lobby wants right now, and last year the Obama campaign itself cited the SIECUS guidelines as an example of the kind of "age appropriate" sex education that Sen. Obama favors.

According to the SIECUS standards, children starting at age 5 are supposed to be taught about vaginal intercourse (p. 26), homosexual relationships (p. 29), same-sex marriage (p. 39), masturbation (pp. 51-52), unwanted pregnancies (p. 61), AIDS (p. 65), and other sexually transmitted diseases (p. 63). That's right, all this starting at age 5. If you don't believe me, read the SIECUS guidelines for yourself. "

source:www.evolutionnews.org...

I would recommend some of these high and mighty humanist preachers on moral rights on this thread get better informed.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:27 AM
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They dont deserve to have kids, if there going to raise a kid with prejudice or hatred againts certain people, they dont deserve that right, but again the article probably dosent add there view, and as usual you posted your feelings towards a case that dosent affect you.

Just my 2 cents



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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So, you'd be fine if people prevented you from raising children because you think differently from others?

Do you not notice a slippery slope when you see one?



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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You are so sure that a gay couple will teach tolerance. I have yet to see genuine tolerance emanating from any liberal. It's so obvious just on this thread the hateful condemnation of Christians, which they keep trying to mask, but its' so there!!!! What you did not understand from my previous post is that children tend to absorb what's in their environment, regardless of whether someone is actively propagandizing them or not. The NEA knows this I guarantee, because they used a technique called "values clarification" expressly designed to separate children's thinking from that of their parents values and mores in order to get them to accept the values the State wants them to have.
Here is a good explanation of values clarification and its purposes,

"What Is Values Clarification?
Values clarification teaches that behavior should be the result of free, uninfluenced, autonomous choice, based on personal analysis of a given situation coupled with the moment's emotions and desires. The fundamentals of modern classroom values clarification techniques are based on the ideologies of Vermont born John Dewey (1859-1952), the philosopher and author credited to have written The Humanist Manifesto I, creed of the secular humanists. "
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The ideology dismisses the possibility of absolute moral truths and asserts instead that people are free to make their own rules, to personally fashion their own unique code of morality, to choose whatever behavior pleases them most at a given time with little, if any, consideration of the common good.

"Value orientations from the past appear to be in a state of disintegration or collapse. Men question whether there are, or can be, any universal values."4 "
source: www.catholicculture.org...

That of course is merely the tip of the iceberg.
Now, Dr Maria Montessori wrote a book called "The Absorbent Mind", which explains that up to age 7, the child mind is somewhat like a sponge, absorbing whatever is in their immediate environment. After age 7, it does function a bit differently, but children are still vulnerable to whatever influences are in their environment while they are developing.
I would discuss Jean Piaget, a child pyschologist, but I wonder if anyone is really interested.
Heres a link though if interested www.childdevelopmentinfo.com...



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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I have no doubt that tptb would love to vet every single parent on their views but seeing as they can not i will worry about it when it happens, this case pertains to children in foster care in the UK and the laws that governs that, right or wrong there we have it, this couple have strong religious views that possible give a blinkered view of the world and how children should be brought up, I have no doubt that they would give lots of love to any child but their views on sex genda belong in the past and would be detrimental to a childs world view if they passed them on, so the courts gave the right verdict which was allways going to be unpopular. i would like to end by saying lets not turn this thread into a gay bashing fest.



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