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Christian couple lose their High Court battle to foster children because they are against homosexual

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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There is though. This would be part of his plan for your life, always done out of love, a father chastens his children because he loves them, anytime that we deny this truth is because we deny ourselves. What I witnessed was a design, it is to the most finite detail, even the littlest action to help you realize. This can only be out of a pure love of the truth, a constant seeking.

The deepest level of this truth is that our lives are nothing but an image of the suffering of Christ in the physical. Because he became God. I have no idea how any of it is possible but its all through this higher knowledge.




posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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You don't have to be Atheist to find truth, or to find that there is no truth, or to find that there are infinite truths.

You can still believe there is more to life than just this physical manifestation, without subscribing to any singular religion.

Without that belief, personally I would not be bound by any system of morality or law, and I would get my entire money's worth out of my limited time in existence. Luckily, most atheists have their own system of morality that comes from being part of a community, I don't understand why someone that believes their existence is purely spontaneous and limited in time would limit themselves in any way, but I'm glad they do. The rest of us have some belief in something beyond flesh and bone, and that keeps us civil.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Who says so ? An invisible misogynistic bigot that lives in the sky by any chance ?


I could not agree more. And this, is what these, these, um .... christians say in public, who knows what they teach foster children, believing in such a fairy tale book! If I, were the social worker, first question I would ask... Do you believe in the bible and practice what it says? Yes.. DENIED!!!!

I know a bible following family that has foster kids, their in it for the cash support and to try and push their archaic way of thinking on others. Also to say look at us we are christians and we care for foster children. The kids are more twisted and messed up with their type of parenting , than when they entered the house. I would approve a single mom that follows green eggs and ham before any admittedly christian people. of course just my own opinion.
Flame away!!!



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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You don't have to be Atheist to find truth, or to find that there is no truth, or to find that there are infinite truths.

You can still believe there is more to life than just this physical manifestation, without subscribing to any singular religion.


Atheist simply means non-belief in a deity. It doesn't mean I don't or can't believe other things.

I as human am a part of this world. As much as the ocean - the trees - other animals. It is a part of me - I am a part of it.

Why would I disregard that by being negative or not caring?

The only way to care is if you have a "punishment and reward" system? Kind of pathetic if you ask me.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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But your generalizing in a massive way. When man wavers from the teachings of God it is by their own doing. Teachings, on top of mans teachings, on top of God's. Our punishment always comes in same form of our own doing. Karma, eye for an eye.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by The Djin
Who says so ? An invisible misogynistic bigot that lives in the sky by any chance ?


No, nature. Take two magnets, put the + and + sides together, what do you get? They repel. Take the + and the - and put them together, what do they do? They attract. The only way to make that magnet attract at the same polarities is to seriously modify it by demagnetize it.

As for the child in the case, that's the person who's losing big time on this idiocy. I don't believe homosexuality is "natural" either, and last time I checked it was my right to believe so. And people forcing others to accept homosexuality as "natural" is the same thing as a religious person forcing others to believe in their god. (Something many here complain about quite often.)

It's not for me, I don't believe in it. So why force me?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by Annee
 


There is though. This would be part of his plan for your life, always done out of love, a father chastens his children because he loves them, anytime that we deny this truth is because we deny ourselves. What I witnessed was a design, it is to the most finite detail, even the littlest action to help you realize. This can only be out of a pure love of the truth, a constant seeking.

The deepest level of this truth is that our lives are nothing but an image of the suffering of Christ in the physical. Because he became God. I have no idea how any of it is possible but its all through this higher knowledge.


PLEASE DO NOT PREACH TO ME.

As I said - - I was raised Christian. I know the "story".



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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But do you really know, understand? Or do you blow it off because you never wanted to?


Also explain to me how I knew what I wrote above before I ever starting reading the book?
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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
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But do you really know, understand? Or do you blow it off because you never wanted to?


What does that have to do with the topic?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Doesn't have to she said I was preaching "to her".



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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To me, what you describe is not "Atheism," but that is a good thing. I suppose it is like the difference between "vegetarian" and "vegen."

I can agree with your belief, and it is not a "punishment and reward" system, it is a system of spiritual growth, and a belief in something beyond the physical. You say it doesn't include a "deity," but if you believe you are connected to other living things, then I think that defines a deity.

What you don't believe in is "religion," and "punishment and reward," and all things that go along with following any prescribed doctrine. I think a lot of us agree with you in that respect, but we don't believe that makes us an "atheist."



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Its a denial of the knowledge of the Most High there's a reason it is a pure separation of wickedness and defiled things vs what you want to call holy. Not even so much as the person of God.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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The elite doesn't want us to reproduce.

Apart from false-flag 9-11, nothing better demonstrates Illuminati subversion than their attempt to make us behave like homosexuals.

Until 1973, homosexuality was recognized for what it is, a developmental disorder.
Then, overnight it was redefined as a "lifestyle choice," one that government, schools and media actively promoted.

In the military, soldiers now have to live in close quarters with openly gay men. This is like letting sex-starved men bivouac with beautiful young women. No it won't affect military capability. And, as Joe Biden admitted, the next step is universalizing "gay marriage."

Thanks to feminism, which in many ways is lesbian, the day is fast approaching when heterosexuals will lose interest in the opposite sex. They will decide the other sex has nothing to offer in terms of love, marriage and family. The new family model will be single parents or homosexuals raising the products of one-night stands and sperm clinics.

The Illuminati goal is to redefine and manipulate human beings by taking away our family identity (husband, wife, sister, brother, father, son, mother, daughter.) The Illuminati Communist Manifesto (1848) listed the destruction of the family as one of its goals. Communist traitors are in power.

The campaign to change the heterosexual norm is intensifying. Straights need to realize that they are under siege from big government and big business.

Today, gay and feminist activists want "people" to make love to "people" regardless of their sex. They depict normal heterosexual behaviour as pathological. Men are abusers and the heterosexual family is oppressive. The way to social justice is to abolish heterosexuality altogether. (Isn't this "hate"?)

Illuminati-Marxism spawned both the Gay and Woman's liberation movements by transferring Marxist class conflict to gender. The "patriarchy" (male-dominated heterosexual family) is the root of all evil and must be destroyed ("transformed"). Women (the proletariat) and anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, certain favoured minorities) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.

The Illuminati's "revolutionary" goal is the "new world order" or authoritarian socialism run by monopoly capital. It is big government in the service of big business, left in the service of right.

It always was. In the words of US Communist leader Bella Dodd the rich sponsored the Communist Party. They sponsor homosexuality and feminism to "destroy the bourgeois family" and create "new types of human beings who would conform."

Why have straights endured this attack passively?

1) The gay-feminists have waged their war with impunity by claiming a bogus victim status. Straights can't even defend their own sexuality for fear of accusations of "homophobia" and "sexism." These days anyone who does not want to be gay is homophobic.

2) Typical Marxists, they practice deceit successfully. They attracted widespread support by pretending to champion women when in fact they always had a revolutionary homosexual agenda. Now politicians and media are in massive denial because they have empowered these radicals and put them in charge of education. The situation is comparable to the liberal refusal in the late 1940's to admit the government was riddled with Soviet spies. This was part of the same phenomenon of Rockefeller Communism.

In 1970, Frederick Jaffe, the VP of Rockefeller-sponsored "Planned Parenthood" organization outlined how "social constraints" should be used to achieve "fertility control." ("Family Planning Perspectives" Oct.1970.)

These "constraints" included encouraging "increased homosexuality," altering "the image of the ideal family," and encouraging women to work outside the home.

If this failed, the agency recommended the placement of "fertility control agents in the water supply." We're not talking about unwanted pregnancies here.

The unprecedented decline of the American family since 1960 did not take place by accident. We are victims of a campaign of psychological warfare carried out by the CIA and foundations through the media, government and education.

They put the neutering agent in the cultural drinking water. The main ingredient is the promotion of homosexuality as an alternative to heterosexuality.

Feminism, which masquerades as "woman's rights," is in fact a pathological lesbian movement. It coerces women to believe that their feminine instincts are socially taught, oppressive and evil. It teaches them to fear and compete with men, and to find fulfillment in career instead of family.

Women who devote their lives to their families are the finest aspects of human life. They are saints who bring love and beauty into the world and tend to the real everyday needs of men and children. To disparage these women is a foul, vicious calumny worthy of the devil himself. Yet that's what the feminist movement is all about, though they deny it.

Betty Frieden, the "moderate" feminist founder, who hid the fact that she was a Communist activist, compared homemakers to concentration camp victims. Simone de Beauvoir, another Communist founder, said women must not be given a choice to be mothers and homemakers because they'll choose that option. According to feminist Ellen Willis, feminism "is the cutting edge of a revolution in cultural and moral values...The objective of every feminist reform, from legal abortion...to child-care programs, is to undermine traditional family values." (The Nation, Nov. 14, 1981)

What part of traditional family values do feminists object to? Love? Sacrifice? Devotion? Loyalty? Security? The preparation of a new generation for life?

In conclusion, it's time to recognize that homo and heterosexuality are in fierce competition. The gay model does not fit heterosexuals and vice-versa. There can only be one model. The issue is: will ours be a heterosexual society that tolerates a 4% gay minority?

Or, will it be a homosexual society that persecutes a 96% straight majority? History has many examples of minorities that have persecuted majorities. Take Communism for example.

If straights don't establish the norms, gay activists will. When gay/feminist activists demand "equality," they are demanding that one model fit all. They are saying that we are the same. We are not.

Rejecting the homosexual model is not "intolerance" or "hatred." It is defending our natural birthright, and our families.

Heterosexual society is the victim of a most insidious form of persecution, psychological warfare. The real "haters" are gay-feminist activists, and the politicians, media, corporations and foundations that sustain them.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
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But do you really know, understand? Or do you blow it off because you never wanted to?

Also explain to me how I knew what I wrote above before I ever starting reading the book?


What?

Of course I know and understand - - at least understand what is being told as a truth - - - but really isn't.

All experiences have to be interpreted. We are surrounded by "god" - - in other words - - we are indoctrinated since birth to believe "know" that everything was created by "god".

People have experiences (I've had them all my life). They are influenced by the indoctrination that there is a "god" -- therefore - - when they have an experience they think it is proof of "god".

Few - - actually step outside that "from birth indoctrination" - - - and start with a clean slate.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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In the UK at the moment is family guy episode: The Father, The Son and The Holy Fonz, where Peter starts the Church of the Fonz. Every view on this thread seems to represented. And a great pastiche on our conversations.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
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Its a denial of the knowledge of the Most High there's a reason it is a pure separation of wickedness and defiled things vs what you want to call holy. Not even so much as the person of God.



A human being trying to describe a deity is worthless in my opinion. We don't understand them, can't comprehend them, and can't possibly describe them. So, to personify a deity is an exercise in futility, and it is the problem with all religions.

Imagine a stick figure on a page trying to describe me as I push my fingers through the 2-dimensional page. They see circles, not fingers. They see multiple circle entities, not fingers on the same hand, it is beyond comprehension that those circles are but a small portion of a few appendages of an entire being, that is one of billions of similar beings in another world. It is equally fruitless for us to try and comprehend any deity.

Still, to me an "atheist" doesn't believe in any spirituality. They believe we are only spontaneous physical beings that evolved from pond scum under perfect conditions, and we are born from physical processes, and we die and cease to exist. For me, if very many people were ever convinced that was true, civility would break down entirely.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Squirt1
The elite doesn't want us to reproduce.

Apart from false-flag 9-11, nothing better demonstrates Illuminati subversion than their attempt to make us behave like homosexuals.

Until 1973, homosexuality was recognized for what it is, a developmental disorder. Then, overnight it was redefined as a "lifestyle choice," one that government, schools and media actively promoted.


Really!?!?!? Gay is now an Illuminati conspiracy?

It is NOT a choice. It is an orientation birth right. Same sex attraction has been around since the beginning of life.

Promoted? NO - - Acceptance of a natural occurrence.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Your denying what is. What do you mean by, truth as it's told. It was written by Man yes but also by influence of the holy spirit like its said.

Your cleaning of a slate is a running from an inevitable truth. That all physical life is to be in suffering, plants and animals manage just fine and I doubt they ever complain.

I'm not saying I didn't do the same I had for too long. (was lost am found) But I was seeking the truth. And it was shown. Knock and the door SHALL be answered.
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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Yes, I agree I am generalizing in a massive way. I suppose, the point I was trying to make turned into a rant of sorts. I'm just tired of a lot in this country and others, giving a green light to people because they are christian.

"Oh, you're christian..... By all means"

I'm not trying to piss in anyone's cornflakes, although, I already have, I am sure. I myself, don't believe in anything that book has to offer. and I am entitled to that. It's like the Hells Angels and the Mongols motorcycle clubs. Your in Angels territory and an Angel..."Oh, by all means." A Mongol on Angels Turf... well You can see that point.

Bottom line we are all human that's the key word HUMAN. not a color or a religion... Human. We should, be walking that line. Not green flagging people because they believe in the bible. So, I am glad to see things like christians getting turned down for this or that, not oh, sure its all good.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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Well so if a man lays with another man they are both to be thrown in the firey pits of hell mmmmmm

So does that mean when a preist prays on little boys the preist is sending himself and the VICTIM to hell??

Do you really think that the all powerful god you bible nuts talk about would let one if his...um servants have his way with a innocent child??

I really hate how religious people hide behind THE WORD OF GOD just to suit a well outdated belief when really there is not proof that it truly is the word of a god
If we all lived in the word of god then I want a slave at my house also I will kill my children if they go against god also my wife will tend to my every need wether she likes it or not because I am man and she is inferior to me because she is a woman. My son has more rights than her in my house as she is just a meir female

I think the courts did a really good thing just because they are religious dont mean they are automaticly good parents



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