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Originally posted by john_bmth
... they clearly aren’t science or technology as they have neither undergone evaluation using scientific method nor have they been demonstrated to work.
Originally posted by SuperManny
Mr. Wang and his magnetic motor, which clearly IS science/technology and IT HAS undergone evaluation using scientific method AND IT HAS been demonstrated to work, literally hundreds of times.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Extraordinary proof of overunity claims, please, or keep it to Skunk Works.
Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by SuperManny
I have yet to see anything claiming to be 'free energy' or 'zero point' or any such malarchy proven before a board of qualified engineers or scientists. I don't care how many uneducated people (and that's not a slur) get on here and say that this tech is real, the truth is there is no way around the fundamental laws of physics.
Was it still classified "top secret" while on public display as peswiki suggests? Isn't that a contradiction?
Originally posted by SuperManny
"Two of Mr Wang’s 5 kilowatt generators successfully completed the Chinese government’s mandatory six-month “Reliability and Safety” testing program in April 2008"
And a miniature working model was demonstrated and put on public display at the Shanghai World Expo from 1st May 2010 to 31st October 2010.
Wang Shen He magnet motor freed from Chinese 'top secret' restrictions - Having received funding from the Chinese Government and State Electricity Companies, Wang Shen He's generators (1 kW and 5 kW), that use coupling of ferro-liquid and permanent magnets, were classified 'top secret.' However, that status changed recently. (PESWiki; December 13, 2010)
How about the academic validation mentioned on peswiki:
I mean... come on! What more do you want??
That was over three years ago, surely in that time they could have built the four prototypes for academic validation and had them evaluated already? What happened? And they claimed to be nearly production ready, that's been going on for at least 6 years, a classic "free energy device" ploy is to always be "on the verge of going into production", to get funding, and the funding seems to happen, but the production never does.
The Wang Shum Ho Prototype Electricity Generator was reportedly demonstrated to five Chinese Officials on Jan 15, 2007. Four 5kW working units are planned for academic validation, then 200 more will be produced. Mass production may begin in 2008. “The World Energy Crisis is effectively over.‿ (ZPEnergy; January 24, 2007)
Regardless of who the breakthroughs come from, certainly academics are capable of testing and evaluation whether the devices are capable of performing as claimed. It's amazing how often the inventors don't know how to make proper measurements on their own devices. They think they do, but due to their lack of education, they overlook subtle but important things like power factor, etc in their measurements, and sometimes come up with incorrect calculations of the efficiency as a result. That is, if they are only incompetent and not outright hoaxers...both types can be found on peswiki.
The biggest breakthroughs always come from people who do NOT have degrees in science or engineering because they "know" all the ways it ain't gonna work.
Producing instantaneous output power greater than Instantaneous Input Power is not a violation of the laws of physics, as there are numerous forms of latent energy storage that can be utilized and depleted during a test, including magnetism.
I have 9 working FLEET prototypes that can demonstrate that the Instantaneous Output Power can be greater than the Instantaneous Input Power.
Originally posted by flybine
...Your total lack of understanding shows.
It should be on the front page, sticky on top of every news or education forum. This should be a political stand, a core value of any curious mind.
Will all this stuff works ? Maybe not. Maybe some will. BUT we need to investigate and the PTB clearly won't.
So educate, deny ignorance.
We have to make noise, and to fight robot silencer like you. Anyways, you're have been unmasked:
www.alternet.org...
edit on 28-2-2011 by flybine because: (no reason given)edit on 28-2-2011 by flybine because: ttypinnh erorrrs and english translation from foreign -subversious- language
Originally posted by SuperManny
"Two of Mr Wang’s 5 kilowatt generators successfully completed the Chinese government’s mandatory six-month “Reliability and Safety” testing program in April 2008"
HELLO!! they were tested by the chinese government!! for 6 months!!
And a miniature working model was demonstrated and put on public display at the Shanghai World Expo from 1st May 2010 to 31st October 2010.
I mean... come on! What more do you want??
Originally posted by SuperManny
Originally posted by john_bmth
Extraordinary proof of overunity claims, please, or keep it to Skunk Works.
Yes, indeed, "extraordinary proof of overunity".
"Two of Mr Wang’s 5 kilowatt generators successfully completed the Chinese government’s mandatory six-month “Reliability and Safety” testing program in April 2008"
HELLO!! they were tested by the chinese government!! for 6 months!!