7/7 UK's 9/11? NO PORSTMORTEMS on victims bodies? etc?

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Here's a little nugget for those interested...the 7/7 bombings were not carried out as per official story.

In the local paper near mine, there was an interview with one of the people who had been in the actual tube carriage that allegedly held the 'bomber' too...

Now, my ex wife knows the guy. He and his dancing partner were both in the carriage and did not see any asian male with a bag - in fact, there were only four people in that carriage at the time of the explosion - the two dancers and two other caucasians, one male one female. Both of these other people died when they took the main brunt of the blast, inadvertantly shielding the dancers and saving their lives.

Now the most important bit.

After the explosion and the police had started rescuing people, a policeman entered the carriage where the two dancers were and, while escorting them to safety, told them to be careful of the gaping hole and jagged metal from the blast...in the floor of the carriage between them and the doors! Not only this, but the metal was extending upwards, into the carriage, indicating the explosion had come from under the train, not inside it.

This news article was in a Cambridgeshire Local Newspaper and I read it at the time of printing, in the paper itself. I'm sure if anyone has the skill, they could find the article for their own verification. Unfortunately, I'm lacking in such investigative skills myself.




posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Alfie1
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The exercise you are referencing, conducted by Peter Power, was a paper exercise conducted in a room.

It didn't involve the emergency services at all ; which was your claim.



It's not actually as cut and dried as you suggest.

This article gives a fuller account of what Peter Power said, recorded over several interviews, and also about the absence of internal post mortems (this second point based on the actual transcript from the inquest).

terroronthetube.co.uk...

With regard to post mortems, there was post mortem examination of the external wounds. Internal post mortems were not carried out.


Yes. Here is a latest email I received from J7:

Have a read of the J7 blog post!

77inquests.blogspot.com...

This is from the transcripts:

Q. Since you ask about the post-mortem, can I simply inform you that, as with all the other casualties of the day, no internal post-mortem was conducted into Gladys Wundowa, so unfortunately, much as we would like the answers to the questions that you've asked, we don't know


The reason Colonel Mahoney had to construct modelling of the bast sites was due to the fact that 18 people died for no discernible external reason so it was put down to 'blast lung' of course internal post mortems would have shown this:

This is from the Inquests where the Counsel for some of the bereaved expressed their shock that 5 years after the event they had only just found this out and wanted the Inquests to examine this issue :

In particular, as to the post-mortems, we have now discovered from the scene reports that there were no internal examinations and, again, a question that arises is: why was the decision taken that there would be no internal examinations? Although the cause of death was clearly the explosions, the precise mechanism of death was not explored, and so that makes the question of survivability all the more difficult for us now and for the families when asking whether or not their loved one might have survived. LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: If that decision was taken by a judicial officer, how do you say an inquest is going to explore that?

Why was that decision taken? We don't find out

Regards

J7



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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I`d heard that too, about the explosions coming from beneath the carriage but i can`t find any trace of the story now.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Before I even entertain your story as truth, what train was he on?

Seeing as we've had very detailed, eye witness outcounts along with photgraphic evidence during the enquiry, it should be easy to verify.

EDIT: Also, people forget the 21st July attacks. A whole treasure trove of evidence was found then and it all pointed very clearly at Islamic terrorists, not MI5.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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Yes I recall seeing that photo of the gaping hole in the flooor. With the edges pushed upwards, as if the bomb was below the floor. But I guesss it was another miracle or optical illusion like 911.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by OptimisticPessimist
Now, my ex wife knows the guy. He and his dancing partner were both in the carriage and did not see any asian male with a bag - in fact, there were only four people in that carriage at the time of the explosion - the two dancers and two other caucasians, one male one female. Both of these other people died when they took the main brunt of the blast, inadvertantly shielding the dancers and saving their lives.


Now, I thought something was up when you said this, so I have double checked the numbers for all three train bombs and in every single one, more than 4 people died, so that must mean that there more than 4 people in each carriage, ergo, this chap your wife knows is a liar or you are.

Link to BBC Inquest Site


Originally posted by OptimisticPessimist
After the explosion and the police had started rescuing people, a policeman entered the carriage where the two dancers were and, while escorting them to safety, told them to be careful of the gaping hole and jagged metal from the blast...in the floor of the carriage between them and the doors! Not only this, but the metal was extending upwards, into the carriage, indicating the explosion had come from under the train, not inside it.


Given the first half of your story is obviously bogus, I call this but into question too. In fact, the BBC has a nice set of photo's too.


Originally posted by OptimisticPessimist
This news article was in a Cambridgeshire Local Newspaper and I read it at the time of printing, in the paper itself. I'm sure if anyone has the skill, they could find the article for their own verification. Unfortunately, I'm lacking in such investigative skills myself.


I doubt it really existed..

EDIT: In fact, there are thousands of pictures online taken of the attacks and in each and every one, it looks as if a device exploded within the vehicle, not underneath. Then there is the transcripts taken of Mohammed Siddiq Khan talking with other plotters (the one where MI5 dropped the ball and didn't follow MSK) and the suicide video's, all the bomb making kit found in their homes...etc etc...

To really claim this was an MI5 bomb on the tracks instead of the guys who actually did it is not only stupid beyond belief, as you ignore all the evidence against it, but down right disgusting you should smear peoples names who protect us and dishonour those killed with false stories and fanciful tails about their deaths.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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I am amazed that the thread title has not been fixed.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by lambros56
No need for sarcasm mate.
I dont need to re-read your post.
I understood what you said.


You clearly don't.


Originally posted by lambros56
Just because you said someone you know who was in the area said nothing happened doesn`t make you right.


Well, find me a witness who says something did happen then. If some people where shot and killed outside CW, people would have seen it. Find me one person who did. Like I said, I know someone who actually worked in CW on that day and they saw nothing, apart from alot of fuss on the Tube and no way to get home.


Originally posted by lambros56
As you know too well of cover-up`s by the police...as in the Brazilian lads shooting.


Oh yeah, so well covered up, we found out about it instantly and they admitted the guy wasn't a bomber and it was a terrible mistake fairly quickly. We then had a full investigation and, although the Police got away with it in the end, it was hardly a cover up.


Originally posted by lambros56
It was reported on the news.
Are you denying that ?
Because Sky News are.
Why would they deny making that report ?
Unless they were told to.


No, I am not and you still seem to be unable to comprehend the most basic of English. I wonder if it is your first language, given your broken writing style. What I am saying is that merely because something on the news is reported, doesn't make it true and alot of confusion was going on that day. You cannot then take that to mean I disbleieve everything on the News, but they got their wires crossed that day.

Again, if you believe something happened, find me one witness who can verify your claims. Just one.

I'll wait....



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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So can you tell me if this was NOT an inside job what exactly was hoped to be achieved ?
Blowing up trains and buses achieves what for Islamic terrorists ? Imo absolutely nothing a piss in the ocean .
Al it has led to is the violent targeting of INNOCENT women and children in Islamic countries , wow great result guys!
Now if you consider the possibility it was an inside job then the perpetrators had MUCH more to gain and its obvious what .
Uk and other countries have become a cctv hotbeds but has it made us safe?
The cameras never seem to work when you really need them.

FAKE ENEMIES FAKE WARS _
War on terror = Race war nothing more nothing less .

I wont sign up for your fake staged wars .



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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It's cool the way you claim you don't know for sure what happened, and then you jump to a conclusion that it must have been fake because you don't believe it.

I don't know much about this subject, but I do know that not being sure is not the same thing as knowing what happened.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Varemia
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It's cool the way you claim you don't know for sure what happened, and then you jump to a conclusion that it must have been fake because you don't believe it.

I don't know much about this subject, but I do know that not being sure is not the same thing as knowing what happened.



I didn't , what I did was ask the question WHO BENEFITS . Whats the crime in that ?

Thanks for your reply though , I'm sure you felt justified posting it beforehand .


Like you said your not an expert and NEITHER am I but until they destroy freedom of speech , I'm well within rights to speculate , Thanks .
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
I am amazed that the thread title has not been fixed.
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I am sorry for that typo of the title, and concerning the seriousness of this inquiry! As soon as it dawned on me I tried to edit it by clicking edit on OP but was told I had run out of time. If you know any other way I can correct it, or anything else let me know?
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
reply to post by stumason
 


So can you tell me if this was NOT an inside job what exactly was hoped to be achieved ?
Blowing up trains and buses achieves what for Islamic terrorists ? Imo absolutely nothing a piss in the ocean .
Al it has led to is the violent targeting of INNOCENT women and children in Islamic countries , wow great result guys!
Now if you consider the possibility it was an inside job then the perpetrators had MUCH more to gain and its obvious what .
Uk and other countries have become a cctv hotbeds but has it made us safe?
The cameras never seem to work when you really need them.

FAKE ENEMIES FAKE WARS _
War on terror = Race war nothing more nothing less .

I wont sign up for your fake staged wars .


Spot on DZ and don't forget the fake victims of 7/7. i despair about how the vast majority are sucked-in to the continual lies. It does not bode well. Britian and the U.S are the real terrorists. The child murdering, despicable, genocidal ba$tards in power. One of the only reasons that i hope and pray there is a just God is that these hateful creatures may someday get their comeuppance.
regards to you.
pshea.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Sooo you believe in mass genocides by people in power and other secret people who there is no evidence of existing... but the disastrous attacks that tons of people witnessed and caught on camera are all fake.

This is a strange world, your mind.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Varemia
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Sooo you believe in mass genocides by people in power and other secret people who there is no evidence of existing... but the disastrous attacks that tons of people witnessed and caught on camera are all fake.

This is a strange world, your mind.


no evidence??? i suggest you look up the definition of genocide and then comment on the 1.5?million victims of the fake war on terror. i further suggest you look into the victim lists of 9/11 and 7/7 and get back to me then. And don't you worry about my mind, mate. It is more sound now than ever. You fret over the state of your own mind and your own world. oookay.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Didn't you just say that 9/11 and 7/7 had no real victims? It was all made up after all, and of course the war was fake. I mean, why would the US want to retaliate for anything? We're supposed to sit on our obese butts and watch the world from an armchair right? We're supposed to be the friendly little guys in the corner that the world looks at and says "awwww"?

I dunno about you, but the reason we keep getting attacked is because these people think we're weak. Sure, the war wasn't the best thing we've done, but it has proven that the US is still a military power in the world, and that keeps certain people at bay.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Varemia
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Didn't you just say that 9/11 and 7/7 had no real victims? It was all made up after all, and of course the war was fake. I mean, why would the US want to retaliate for anything? We're supposed to sit on our obese butts and watch the world from an armchair right? We're supposed to be the friendly little guys in the corner that the world looks at and says "awwww"?

I dunno about you, but the reason we keep getting attacked is because these people think we're weak. Sure, the war wasn't the best thing we've done, but it has proven that the US is still a military power in the world, and that keeps certain people at bay.
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9/11 was faked as a new world order excuse to go to war and illegally annex sovereign territories and resourses. the u.s--friendly?? you have caused untold unnecessary misery and despair in the last 50 years and are yet proud and defiant.
you keep getting atacked?? if you take it 9/11 was faked(which i am sure you won't), then ye were not attacked once.
killing 300,000 children proves ye are topdog. big-up yourselves. ye are keeping no-one at bay...the sharks are within.
btw i believe most americans to be decent moral human beings.
stop kidding yourself valerie. you certainly ain't kidding me.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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I suppose every other successful and failed attack by terrorists in the US was faked too? Because there were a lot. Remember the one in '93 when the Trade Centers were bombed? There are many others, and I'm sure all you have to do is google it. YOU are the one making things up for acting as if you know for certain something that has LITERALLY no evidence to support it. A NWO faking thousands of deaths to make a country go to war and cause more deaths? Oh wait, it's that the NWO is our government right? Or could it be that a group of terrorists got exactly what they wanted. They caused terror and loss of life and made the US into the bad guys in a lot of people's eyes.

Get a reality check.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Dendro
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Regardless of paper exercise or otherwise, if I was sitting at home writing a hypothetical plan on how to murder someone I didn't like and at the time I'm doing it that EXACT scenario takes place, there is going to be automatic suspicion on me.


Yep, I agree. And it was interestesting to see how the story became more muted after a day or so.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by lambros56
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I`d heard that too, about the explosions coming from beneath the carriage but i can`t find any trace of the story now.



I read that somewhere too, and also that the metal in the floor of the carriage was bent upwards, not downwards.





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