I don't know if this person is valid or not,but I do believe that with the advances in
organics and computing,that levels of this kind could be achieved in a very short time.
But,I'm just a dumb elevator mechanic,so what do I know.

But a very good and interesting post so a S&F for you and hope those out there can
support and validate your story without ripping you to shreds as they seem to do here.

Peace

A very interesting read and well delivered if I may say so too.

I think organic computing is already on the agenda and perhaps more of a progression of man and technology than a prophecy. As we are all well aware mankinds entire development in technology has spawned from the minds of many a genius.

How or why this ties in with WWIII is open to debate as are the links with NostraD but stranger things have been said.

What is sad though is that all too often such technological leaps for mankind are often put to negative use by the powers that be and not for the greater good of the common man.

Perhaps with these global uprisings the masses are learning to take control but how long for? As we well know someone will want to take control of the power for personal gain, that's the way man works sadly.

At the same time it could almost be like letting the lunatics free in the asylum so to speak

Good post. S&F

Well since it is called "Organic Computing" it might be a novel idea that someone in the future "uses their head", because we are all organic computers.

It is a nice thought that someone will come and solve the World's problems. Was there a specific quatrain that speaks of this innovative thinker?

I am unsure of the validity of the particular prophecy but I would say that the likelihood of organic computing is very high. I also believe that organics are the best way for us to approach quantum computing.

We already know that DNA can be used as an almost lossless data encoding media.

We know that the polymerase reaction that "reads" the encoding is very fast. (Therefore DNA can be a "Truring Machine" type processor).

We know about the electrical characteristics of DNA too.

We are also starting to see that some biological processes (namely photosynthesis) seem to be accessing quantum information (somehow) to achieve optimal results and that current chemical and physical theory are finding difficult to explain.

I also believe that the ability to create machines with greater memory capacity and processing power than the human brain (not neccesarily intelligent of themselves) will be the next step in human evolution.

Once it becomes possible to "upload" a reasonably working definition of human consciousness into such a machine, new capabilities could then be achieved.

Imagine upgrading our senses. Super high resolution vision, extension of the visual spectrum. "Enhanced haptics" virtual devices for controlling our virtual world. Perhaps even new senses beyond the five (six?).

Why not "mirror" the minds of those who are the exceptional, so that they can work on different facets of understanding, simultaneously. Why not combine existing minds with different mental methodologies, to work all angles of a problem until its solution?

Originally posted by Greensage
It is a nice thought that someone will come and solve the World's problems. Was there a specific quatrain that speaks of this innovative thinker?

It didn't seem like he/she would be a person to solve the World's problems. It would just be a person to help humanity get its act together after an incredibly hard time.

Here is one. Personally, it's my favorite:

Century IV-31

The Moon in the full of night over the high mountain,
The new sage with a lone brain sees it:
By his disciples invited to be immortal,
Eyes to the south. Hands in bosoms, bodies in the fire.

The book's interpretation is this person is inside a piece of medical machinery to transfer the consciousness into the computer. Part of this quatrain "Eyes to the south. Hands in bosoms, bodies in the fire" describes this person being in the machine.

It's interesting Nostradamus uses the words "he" to describe the Great Genius but then uses the term "Hands in bosoms" which is a term almost exclusively used in old French for the female chest.

It's not a matter of forcing or not forcing since we are dealing with ideas people can reject or accept. In Conversations it says the antichrist is working from a humanitarian side but something happens to turn him to the dark side so to speak. The death of the ogmios or uncle or guy that grooms him, sets him up.

I can tell you that the ogmios does exist but that time line was intentionally thwarted to avoid that prophecy.

Dolores assumed the great genius was the second coming...

There is no reason for two endtimes characters other than to Disneyfy prophecy for the sake of making books and movies.

It makes much more sense for one character to hold a dual role, that way he can divide people by their ability to discern his intent. "I AM here to give you free energy, AI, and teleportation, to explain where your religion and science have gone wrong".

Just as some dread TEOTWAWKI others welcome it, so those with a vested interest in the status quo will call him evil... the poor, the open minded will see only a friend.

This confusion is perpetuated by Christian end times fiction, a church that is obviously threatened by a christ that can render them USELESS, and the less than passive nature of the son of man / omega lion.

People still assume we will get a carbon copy of Jesus when that is clearly not scripture. Lindsey and LaHaye acknowledge this but take it too far and make him out to be a nationalistic/genocidal dictator and Christians seem to accept this as truth.

Originally posted by Kalki11

Lindsey and LaHaye acknowledge this but take it too far and make him out to be a nationalistic/genocidal dictator and Christians seem to accept this as truth.

And what if this great genius discovers that there is an evil gene,
in the genome and develops replacement therapy that is not only painless
but actually feels good and doubles the recipients IQ. All without affecting their memories.

But that some, after treament, realize how horrible they have been and start being nice to
their employees giving them raises and vacations and bonuses like paid college for their kids.
And others who refuse treatment, for these very reasons, also control the media and create a huge
firestorm of hate against him.

All I'm saying is that the word genocide is neither license to hate,
nor authority to shut our eyes to science.


David Grouchy

Originally posted by Kalki11
It's not a matter of forcing or not forcing since we are dealing with ideas people can reject or accept.

Christ/Antichrist are both said to destroy the people who reject them. The Great Genius will leave them alone. Clearly that is an important difference, right? Can you tell me why it does not matter? I might be missing something.

In Conversations it says the antichrist is working from a humanitarian side but something happens to turn him to the dark side so to speak. The death of the ogmios or uncle or guy that grooms him, sets him up.

It is the death of his uncle or "the Iman" that causes him to go berserk. I am guessing because he just lost the only protective figure in his life. In the book, Ogmios was the priest who works in the Vatican. He probably saw some of the stuff happening and was disgusted with it.

I have a feeling he is still in the Vatican and maybe he would even vote for the next pope after Benedict, knowing it was the last one according to Malachy's list.

I can tell you that the ogmios does exist but that time line was intentionally thwarted to avoid that prophecy.

Can you elaborate on that? It is very interesting.

Dolores assumed the great genius was the second coming...

But Nostradamus corrected her. He said he/she was not.

There is no reason for two endtimes characters other than to Disneyfy prophecy for the sake of making books and movies.

In Dolores books, there was more than just two characters. There was the last Pope, Ogmios, Great Genius, Antichrist, the Uncle, the Cabal, the lawmaker, the underground, the common people, US Presidents, and even Gadaffi.

It is a lot more multidimensional than you are giving credit for. There are so many variables and characters. The Great Genius definitely doesn't get help alone. A "gentle man" (described in the book) such as himself could not involve himself in war so Ogmios is the one that is equipped to handle that.

It makes much more sense for one character to hold a dual role, that way he can divide people by their ability to discern his intent. "I AM here to give you free energy, AI, and teleportation, to explain where your religion and science have gone wrong".

The great genius nor Antichrist in Conversations with Nostradamus was said to invent free energy or teleportation. Both are involved in computers tough which is a striking similarity. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are the same person.

There is no disputing that one character will have to hold a dual role for any of this to be accomplished. You are correct.

The Antichrist figure will not only wipe out the Cabal but also cease the authority of religions that have "raped" their followers so to speak by raiding the Vatican. In a strange way, he helps pave the way for the Great Genius because the Cabal (or ones invested in the status quo) will be wiped out or removed from power.

Just as some dread TEOTWAWKI others welcome it, so those with a vested interest in the status quo will call him evil... the poor, the open minded will see only a friend.

I think that's true. There are many well meaning people. The only problem is the guy or "the Antichrist" is not consistent with his humanitarian side. If he was, there would be no problems. Something, according to the book, happens to him.

This confusion is perpetuated by Christian end times fiction, a church that is obviously threatened by a christ that can render them USELESS, and the less than passive nature of the son of man / omega lion.

People still assume we will get a carbon copy of Jesus when that is clearly not scripture. Lindsey and LaHaye acknowledge this but take it too far and make him out to be a nationalistic/genocidal dictator and Christians seem to accept this as truth.

Very true. You hit the nail on the head with that one.

I just don't understand your reasoning that they are the same person.

There might be similarites between the Great Genius and "antichrist", I acknowledge that, but that does not mean the are one and the same. It falls too short.

Also keep in mind I am not saying any of this is true or applies to real life. I am just analyzing the book.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

And what if this great genius discovers that there is an evil gene,
in the genome and develops replacement therapy that is not only painless
but actually feels good and doubles the recipients IQ. All without affecting their memories.

But that some, after treament, realize how horrible they have been and start being nice to
their employees giving them raises and vacations and bonuses like paid college for their kids.
And others who refuse treatment, for these very reasons, also control the media and create a huge
firestorm of hate against him.

All I'm saying is that the word genocide is neither license to hate,
nor authority to shut our eyes to science.

I think I can speak about this because I am in bioinformatics and we work with genetics a lot. There really isn't an "evil gene" so to speak. Sometimes, behavior that we think of as "evil" or "closed mindeded" is really just an evolutionary trait that has helped people survive for centuries.

For example, narrow mindedness is great at concentrating all one's mental energies for simple things like food and shelter. It is terrible for exploration and expansion though which our people are going to need if our climate changes any more.

"Genocide" means to wipe out a group of human beings based on certain characteristics like nationality, physical trait, race, or religion.