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Originally posted by Aim64C
The separation between conservative and liberal ideology is simply too great.
It is either you support and defend the sacred Constitution or you do not. The protestors are not seeking for higher pay or cuts in pay. They are protesting against the curtailing their fundamental right , and that's the freedom of speech - to speak out, to convince, to discuss, to debate, and compromise. Who's the ignoramouses here?
If you wish to pull a gun at innocent peaceful protestors as well as your own families, relatives and friends in there, as with the powers of the state invested in you as a military personnel, do know that Americans too own guns to stop brainwashed Kent State paramilitary idiots who deemed themselves above the Constitution.
'We the People'...begins with you and I.
Originally posted by Aim64C
As a Navy guy, I have to say that I'd never commit to any acts of lethal violence against the citizens I'm sworn to protect.
That said - they've been told to get out of the government building. It is not their right to be inside that building and disrupting the function of government. If they don't get that - I'd gladly chuck a tear-gas grenade into the crowd and -move- anyone who still did not understand out of the building. If they still did not understand, and chose to resist, I would use the hand-to-hand and riot suppression techniques I learned from the Marines.
We all have jobs to do. Mine is not to kill you or oppress you - but there are stipulations to your rights to assembly.
However, should the system of government collapse under the weight of protests and ignoramuses - I will default to defending my conservative ideologies, and would not hesitate to place a bullet in the head of someone I am in fundamental disagreement with and who wishes to impose their way of life upon me and mine.
I have my own goals and people I will protect over the average citizen. I stand in defense of the system and principles of our founded government because they allow a civilized co-existence of two incompatible ideals. When that is demonstrated to fail, there is no other recourse but a state of civil war, and I will move quickly to secure myself and those I care about - prioritizing and disposing of threats.
This is something I've predicted for a while. The separation between conservative and liberal ideology is simply too great. The only peaceful recourse is two separate countries (perhaps two 'virtual' countries - something only possible now with the advent of the internet) where people can live according to their ideologies without imposing those views upon people who will simply not have it.
Otherwise, it will have to be settled at the end of a gun barrel.
umm, seeing as the people elect government officials and the people want
the government to do what the people say.....shouldn't the military side
with the people?
Take lessons from the Eqyptian military and side with the
people lest you end up being a traitor. Even the police see this is wrong
and have already sided with the people.
I am saddened that the navy could could churn out people like you.
If you are talking about foreigners in foriegn wars, those whom had wage war against your own homeland and loved ones, your diatribe to justify your lunatic murderous rages, believing in your bloated egoistical 'superior' skills to kll would be comprehensible. But against your own citizens, whom had funded and pay for your way in the Navy?
And when you subject your fellow citizens to your bloodlust, you are not upholding the law in any way, but only a part of the problem, of insidious others hell bent on tearing up the sacrifices of the founding fathers whom had set all generations free.
I know I cannot change your warped mind, but if you are one of the paramilitary forces there, know full well the consequences of what you are doing on your free will when you hurt and harm your fellow citizens, brothers and sisters, whom had only peacefully sought to protect the Constitution, the very sacred Constitution you had sworn to uphold as well being a military man, if there still any bit of honour left in you.
You need to go to the website: "Oathkeepers" and there you will find out some things and perhaps understand why the WI police are ignoring the governor. The capital building and grounds are public. There are no real safety concerns, no health concerns or any other valid reason for the people to leave.
There is only the petulant little newbie governor who is having a tantrum because before the election he had listened too much to Limbaugh, Hannity and the Beckster when they said we would be a pushover.
I'm betting that an attorney will intervene with the idea that the governor's order is illegal and the guard will assume a "wait and see".
The thing is that there is no obvious reason for the guard. There exists no threat to anyone. No reason for such a force. There is only Walker who is completely out of his depth. He thinks he is a dick tater or something.
Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
reply to post by beezzer
The unions have agreed to all the cuts. What is the sticking point is the governor's insistence that collective bargaining to all intents and purposes end for most state emplyees.
Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
I certainly hope not,
that's all it would take, 1 or 2 planted shooters and the next thing you know you have a little blood bath,
then what?, the Kissinger prediction comes true?
""Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government.""
All this crap is being provoked, there's a huge push on for anarchy, they need an excuse and theyre making one.edit on 28-2-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: to add