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Why do US men call each other "ladies" just before they do something butch?

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:19 PM
reply to post by halfoldman

Not quite the "Praise Singer's" speech I was looking for, but on the Omo valley nevertheless.
From the reality show "Last Man Standing" in which young Western male athletes compete in tribal sports around the globe
Here they engage in the "Donga", or stick-fighting ritual.

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 09:49 AM
reply to post by schuyler


Is that like a Redneck saying "Hey ya'all, watch this!"

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:01 AM
The ManCode dictates that the man using the term must be in some recognized position of authority to do so (such as a drill instructor, a boss, a coach, etc.), and this term is used to reinforce the alpha male status of said individual. Other acceptable terms are girls, maggots, and other derogatory nicknames that help the other males feel part of a group. It also inspires them to "rise above" such a label, and perform well, so at the end of the activity/game, etc., the Coach can refer to them using terms for men (unless they lose, and then they are Ladies again..)

A man who uses the term and is not in a recognized position of authority is assumed to be gay and is urged to then go home so he doesn't miss an episode of Sex and the City or something....

edit on 3-3-2011 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:52 PM
reply to post by Gazrok

Does the last sentence imply that "gay men" are sent home?
Isn't that homophobia?

In any case, we have more of a race discourse in SA.
For example, if I had to say "let's go boys" to a mixed race team, that could be misinterpreted.
We come from a colonial/apartheid discourse where whites spoke of blacks as "boys" or "girls" no matter what their age.
So a 70-year-old black man would remain a "garden-boy".
A maid would remain a "girl".
That was a long time ago now, but the power that was inscribed into language remains.

Similarly I would say that gender patriarchy is inscribed into language, and such inversions actually support masculinity, mainly because they point to the weakness of the "Other".

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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:59 PM

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by CaDreamer

What, so if I call you all ladies, that's OK?
OK you're bunch of ... nevermind.

We'd have to beat your ass.......real men don't take that lying down.

So man up, remember men have dicks, and women have don't be a pussy be a man!

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 06:13 PM
We were referred to as "manne" (Afrikaans for men) from a very young age.
For various reasons (mainly politics) that term annoyed me very much, and I would try to subvert it.
I felt that gender was being misused for political means.

Now I see something different going on.
A kind of sly inversion that remains.
Take the following clip (warning, some swearing).
I take it these US soldiers are filming a joke.
Nevertheless, a joke based on real discourses, I assume.

Here they ask a man whether he had been impregnated by another man and carried his child.
Why would one man ask another man such a stupid, rhetorical question?
Once again power through inversion (made possible by the semiotic array of available gendered meanings).
Of course the effect is ultimately to cause subdued internal agency, rather than lashing out.
So, in effect using language (parole) like this is not just for personal reasons.
It is carefully constructed and reproducible (just like I think the soldiers here mimic their instructor?).

So language creates a sharp division between rank and power - but why does it do this?
Who can use what language(s)?

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 06:58 PM
I think it's funny.

posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 07:06 PM
reply to post by EthelMerman

I cannot disagree, it is kinda funny.
Depending on the context, of course.
However, essentially is it funny?
Does it ultimately hurt people?

posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 12:29 AM
I suppose one could ask:
Do people have to experience being brutalized before they can brutalize others?
Fun and games here - but what are soldiers ultimately supposed to do?
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:39 PM
reply to post by halfoldman

It's funny because it's the opposite. Just like when females call other females gents, gentlemen, or sir.

If you find that offense, I seriously think you should have a sense of humor checked.

posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 10:29 PM
reply to post by EthelMerman

I thought you meant the clip.
Never said anywhere I find it offensive, and there's lots of humor in the thread.
However, depending on the setting one can look at deeper meanings.

posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 10:38 AM
Nobody says "ladies" quite like the Red Guy from Cow and Chicken, especially when he performs male authority figures (the warden and the drill sergeant).
Unfortunately the only clip to introduce a mix of his behavior focuses more on his other habits, like butt-walking and his mood-swings.
"Hello ladies, it's me!" (whosoever that may be):

The Red Guy really outdoes himself as a conservative authority figure in the Orthodontic Police.
My favorite lines: "These teeth are an abomination" and "What are you people, communists?"

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 01:24 AM
It means
"stop gossiping among yourselves and focus on the mission at hand."

David Grouchy

posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 01:34 AM

Here is a perfect example of the use of the word "ladies"
in an archaic millitary fashion that is no longer
permitted in the service.

Apparently, the story goes,
this movie was made in conjunction with the U.S. Marines,
but after seeing the final version they disavowed it.

Personal insults are no longer permitted in boot camp either.
Though it used to be.

David Grouchy

[Clint uses the word at timestop 1:18]
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