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posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 07:42 PM
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some kind of fuel for there spacecrafts. we have plenty of it, its not like well notice it. so maybe they just consider earth as a pitstop, with the exception of picking up a souvenir or two and a crash of course.




posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 07:46 PM
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yeah that could be possible. But highly unlikely. If time slows down more as you go toward the speed of light and stops when you reach 100% the speed of light then it would be stupid to think this. If they can travel billions of light years to another planet I highly doubt they do it just go get some oxygen. I mean if the rules apply the same in all the universe then they could make oxygen from some stuff in their space ship if they had to. Also time means nothing if you can travel at the speed of light....which yeah i guess you would have to have an engine that some how gets you at the speed of light but still. I hightly doubt it would use oxygen. if that's so why don't we think of that and try it?



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 07:50 PM
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sounds possible and cool



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 09:05 PM
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well hombreconunpollo, i understand time slows down as you reach the speed of light, like you wrote. it still doesn't mean that they still might need it for something. and as for making it, i guess thats where we differ from then.



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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If aliens needed oxygen how would they get to earth in the first place? It may be possible, but I do not think it is very probible.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 02:47 AM
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im with hombre. if they need oxygen, make it. its not exactly that hardest thing to do. besides, wouldn't it be smarter to just take part of it with some trees and produce their own or something?



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Oxygen is an element though, I didnt think you could create the elements. Well I know that we cant :S



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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A very interesting Idea, I'd like to see scientists tell us that oxygen is light enough and powerful enough to fule a jet plane, let alone a space ship...lol they use Liquid Oxygen for the space shuttles, but because oxygen freezes at very low temperatures, in space it would be like liquid-solid oxygen...lol then that would be heavy...haha...

They could always find a lot of Hydrogen peroxide solution (H2O2 (aq)) and wait for it to decompose to create the pure form of Oxygen (remember Oxygen in our atmosphere also contains nitrogen and carbon dioxide and other gases so it would make it even more heavier). But the problem with this, is that Hydrogen Peroxide takes agesss to decompose for so little...but using catalysts...i.e. Manganese (IV) Oxide could speed up the reaction dramatically...that also depends ont eh concentration of Hydrogen Peroxide.

It's a good Idea to have a level, like in the middle, top or bottom of the ship to have a whole forest in there, but they would have to provide sun-light like lighting,to trick the plants into thinking it's day so they take in carbon dioxide and produce Oxigen...but then, they would have to balence it to half of the time...like every 12 hrs switch off the lights to let the trees and plants to breath in their belovid carbon dioxide. Not only would this be a good idea, it is a great place to relax and enjoy yourself...

Phoenix

[edit on 18/7/04 by PhoenixSGC]



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by racos
Oxygen is an element though, I didnt think you could create the elements. Well I know that we cant :S


it can be converted though.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:00 PM
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i kinda agree with most of what you guys are saying, but theres just alot of holes in them, phoenix i think is right you'd need alot of caring for the plants to make them be useful. and whos to say that having trees is enough. maybe they somehow can better pressurize the oxygen that we have when there flying so fast, almost like how a jet works but it doesnt release it just stores it away.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Well, since most of our atmosphere is made of Nitrogen (I think about 60-70%) I highly doubt it, but you never know there either!



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 08:06 PM
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aye, if time stops when light speed is reached, then why do radio transmissions to and from Mars craft take 20 minutes each way?

lol SGC, designing your own spaceships?
Also, oxygen would not be used on fusion, fission, antimatter or ion propulsion engines, so why do you believe it necessary?
Do aliens still use combustion rockets like the old Russian rockets and US space shuttles?

- Tass



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Tassadar
aye, if time stops when light speed is reached, then why do radio transmissions to and from Mars craft take 20 minutes each way?


If you were traveling the speed of light then time would indeed stop for YOU but to everyone else (not traveling at the speed of light) time would continue at the same speed. So according to the people on earth it takes you 20 minutes traveling at the speed of light to reach mars but according to you it was an instant travel from earth to mars. Time is relative to the viewer.

Anyhow, aliens coming here for our oxygen doesn't really make much sense. Why would aliens build their ships to operate on a fuel that they have a shortage of? Surely there must be some other fuel source on their home planet they could use that doesn't require them to travel possibly hundreds of light years to get.

And I'm no expert but I don't see how a rocket engine that would take advantage of oxygen as its fuel would even be able to reach the speed of light. The amount of oxygen needed to reach that speed if possible would be very high and if the aliens already had a shortage then surely using oxygen to power their space vehicles should be their last choice.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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I would disagree with the statement time is always relative, however, I believe this merits another a thread.
- Tass



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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Whats there to disagree with? It's been proven many times. It's basically the basis for Einstein's theory of general relativity.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 10:54 PM
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If it's been "proven many times", then why is it still a theory?
Move this light/time conversation to www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would like to see where this oxygen conversation leads.
Are there any uses for Oxygen we are overlooking?
- Tass



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 12:04 AM
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Well time relativity has been proven but general relativity/special relativity covered more than just that and I assume some of those parts are still unproven or/and new data has come to light that shows a more accurate view then what Einstein had first envisioned. So I referred to it as the "theory of general relativity" because I assumed some parts were still unproven but that doesn't mean the whole thing remains unproven.

On another note that link you provided doesn't work.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 07:58 AM
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It's apparent gas/chemical fuels are not the way to go in the future.

Any craft would more than benefit from a nuclear type propulsion system. This would include either fission or fusion.

Fusion would be the ultimate long term solution as it merely runs off of readily available substances (deuterium, found in oceans) or Helium-3(abundant on our moon, which could be mined...hrmm...?!!! maybe someon else is already doing this)

But, not enough research has gone into fusion, it is a technology far from perfection.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 12:49 PM
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well in my question that i posted, i never said the ships soley depended on oxygen, but maybe it makes up for a part of what they need, maybe sometimes they need a fillup on what inside of oxygen, i dont know the scientific things that inside oxygen or what it can be used for. but maybe they have something that can convert what they need from it like i wrote before, but we def. dont have the ability to as of yet



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 01:47 PM
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I think Crystals are the way to the future.

They hold extreme amounts of energy and once someone taps into it, they can use energy to fuel the ships. Of course the crystals would have to be different because thats their blue print, and not only that there could be different crystals on different planets, but then again, the crystals are made form earthly minerals so they should be the same or very similar (the structures should be).

Not only that the crystals can hold vast amount of information, which would be useful, very useful; you could be a spy with all the info in your earings or on your "pre-wedding" ring or something. And this has been proven.(not in that kind of scale...as far as the human public civilization knows)

You know crystal sculls? Well scientists have analysed them and found they contained information...which they could not interpret and that the sculls actually held the five senses inside them and spiritual people say that there is even the sixth, which if you can tap into you can gain the knowlage of what the crystals have gained thorough the thousands of years being around.

So what I'm saying is that crystals can be used to power the ships, and can be reused because they are regenerative materials (again very useful, and not only for ships, but also supplying electricity), problem is, you either need a powerful enough light, or the sun. I don't think Aliens would use fuel because it is a waste, and using regenerative material such as crystals, which are everywhere especially Clear Quartz, which allows the flow of energy (entering and exiting) more freely than any other crystals.

All we and Aliens would have to do is to find a way to access the crystals storage space and energy sources.

This might remind those who watch Stargate:sg1 of the crystals used to power the ships, hold information and configure it (also seen in minority report for information). Well Stargate:sg1 the film and independence day were directed by the same people:Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin....
Stargate:sg1 is very real, very close to the truth and I wouldn't be suprised if the government DO have their own stargate, obviously feeding it into a program to down cast rumours making the nation think those people (the people who have "seen" it) have just lost it...become too obsessed with the series and film. There is definatly a visual-mental stargate, that has been painted on a wall:

home.earthlink.net...

"Also, oxygen would not be used on fusion, fission, antimatter or ion propulsion engines, so why do you believe it necessary?"-by Tassadar

It was just a thought...but then again, what we humans know could be nothing to what aliens know, lol...so it could be possible...nothing impossible I say.

and...you never know...

"Am I designing a spaceship or am I not designing a spaceship, that is the question!"

-Phoenix

[edit on 19/7/04 by PhoenixSGC]



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