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Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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See this might be your problem that you imagine Obama actually is in control of the Defense Department, don't you think it's a little strange that like at the Federal Reserve some of these heads stay on from one administration to the next even when they are appointed by a different party, originally, like Gates and Bernake are?

Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.

Thanks.



They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide.
How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?

I'll go with reallity here.
People used facebook and twitter to overthrow the despots. It had nothing to do with some cyber zombie app that at best couldn't even be used to find out what's going on, had it's originator fired and is a posterchild for internet regulation.




posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


See this might be your problem that you imagine Obama actually is in control of the Defense Department, don't you think it's a little strange that like at the Federal Reserve some of these heads stay on from one administration to the next even when they are appointed by a different party, originally, like Gates and Bernake are?

Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.

Thanks.



They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide.
How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?


I'll go with reallity here.
People used facebook and twitter to overthrow the despots. It had nothing to do with some cyber zombie app that at best couldn't even be used to find out what's going on, had it's originator fired and is a posterchild for internet regulation.


"political suicide" IS part of the game they play!

the "politicians" ALL KNOW it goes with the territory .. they are all just "managers" for TPTB.

for every "political" office at the federal level there are 100's of unseen, unelected "advisers" and marionette string pullers working behind the scenes.

the entire Middle East - North Africa fiasco IS a 100% controlled event.

"gas prices up" is only one way they use to funnel the money away from the public.

all good politicians and CEOs do their jobs to create money funnels and steady whirlpools.

the "socialist" "changes" were/are merely another way to funnel the money aren't/weren't they?

as soon as a social program stops being useful i.e. "a money funnel", they will delete it and create a new one!

ALL the current "Leadership" being replaced were/are installed by TPTB. ALL are expendable (and well paid).

the current ME and NA leaders are all of questionable background and ancestry.

check it out and remember the "research" requires a platinum shovel ... get ready to dig all the way down to Babylon bedrock!



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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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"political suicide" IS part of the game they play! the "politicians" ALL KNOW it goes with the territory .. they are all just "managers" for TPTB. for every "political" office at the federal level there are 100's of unseen, unelected "advisers" and marionette string pullers working behind the scenes. the entire Middle East - North Africa fiasco IS a 100% controlled event. "gas prices up" is only one way they use to funnel the money away from the public. all good politicians and CEOs do their jobs to create money funnels and steady whirlpools. the "socialist" "changes" were/are merely another way to funnel the money aren't/weren't they?


Very well put my friend. I came across a real interesting article about all of the Goldman Sachs employees who were and are now part of the Obama Administration. When I get time, I'm going to research the names further. Who knows what societies these people belong to? I haven't heard of the Hamilton Project before I found this article.


A List of Goldman Sachs People in the Obama Government: Names Attached to the Giant Squid’s Tentacles



At a time when Congressional hearings are set to call testimony from some Goldman Sachs employees, it is vital to understand how widespread that institution’s ties are to the Obama administration. This diary shows the pervasive influence of Goldman Sachs and Goldman created institutions (like the Hamilton Project embedded in the Brookings Institution), employees and influence peddlers in the Obama administration. While many of the people listed below formerly worked for Goldman Sachs or its offshoots (like the Hamilton Project, including all three of that project’s first Directors) influence can be exerted not only through people but through money, awards, sponsored scholarship, and creation of an agenda favorable to Goldman Sachs (which is where Brookings and the Hamilton Project come in and have proved especially useful to Goldman Sachs).


Link.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Great post proto. l'm getting this to as many folk as l can. simply mind blowing. Peace star.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
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Ok yeah either you need some serious psychological help to try and piece together that fragmented, scatter shot way of thinking you have or you are indeed a bot program.

I believe the OP is right about the itnernet becoming a weapon as evidenced by HBGarys nasty little program but maybe it's further ahead than we realised and users like the one replied to here are an example.

I wonder if ATS would support a human recognition program like captcha to make posts, it would slow things down i know but it might eliminate the bot risk.
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Unfortunately there is NO such thing as a 'Human Being' on this creation. We are merely expendable bunny/bird/bugs. Obviously you don't understand 'religion' and the Egyptian origins. You should try joining your local Free Masonic Council. 'Jesus Christ/Yahweh' is a fundamental lie. Jesus/Jésu/J'ai su becomes the leader of an Apocalyptic movement if you read up Jesus Christ on Wikipedia.

Basically Jesus simply means I have had sex or knowledge of the flesh. J'ai su, French from Coptic past tense 'I have known.' J'avais (su) ... sounds like ... Yahweh, past historical tense.

You are as an open book, your creator can track your every move. You can run but you cannot hide, etc.

Out shooting crows with my Remington 1100 shotgun satan appeared as a shadow BEHIND my companion in the form of a Hassidic jew. Take a look at the film 'Shindlers List'
Get thee BEHIND me satan and with you BEHIND me WE shall take over the World. So just who is this 'we'?

So now the entire World is populated where before there was practically nothing.

White man speak with forked tongue indeed!

I knew it was all a lie at five years of age, 1953, so I never bothered having children. The unborn child cannot suffer, cannot die, or be tortured, and has no need of any 'god'. I would never put a child of mine own through this living hell.

War is hell, as every war ever fought bears testament to. There was a 100 years war and the Egyptians fought the Hittites for fifty years. They also had to take on the 'Men from the Sea' the 'sea of creation'.

Our creator can make us out of nothing and give us flesh, 'god' made flesh/virgin birth.

You need to do much more research.

NATO has tried its best to avoid an Apocalyptic war with ABC WMD showing eastern Heads of State a film called 'The War Game' made by the BBC in England. It was never on public release as it was thought that it might start a panic similar to War of The Worlds' or simply demoralise the 'people'.

Looking back I have never known of a moral environment suitable for children. If you look back at your life and at history you will find that the same is true. Think back to when you were five years of age. What can you really remember? Captain clitoris maybe? Mad Magazine? DC Comics? Well Washington DC is full of comics.

Have a good day buddy, best of luck to you and yours. It is Bye, bye Miss American pie time. (Don McLean)

Céline Dion, 'Pour que tu m'aimes encore.' J'ai compris toutes les mots, j'ai bien compris merci! Et vous?

French is the second language of International diplomacy. As for human rights. Hah! There NEVER has been any. Just war after war. Try listing all the wars you know of. Vietnam, Cambodia, Angola, etc.

WWI, WWII. National Geographic Channel 'Apocalypse WWII' very interesting film footage. Bloody hell indeed. Killed some 60 million and that is a conservative estimate.

Ian Chattan. ex NATO SIS
edit on 4-3-2011 by ianchattan because: Spelling mistakes! My weak point! Dyslexia in later life.

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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:22 AM
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Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.


He also can not bother to READ.

At least twice I have gone through the recent political history of the USA . I SHOWN that since 1970 when the decision was made to "De-industrialize" the USA, the moves of the Democratic and Republican Administrations have been aimed at doing exactly that. In 1970 24% of the labor force was engaged in manufacturing, today less than 9%.

Obama just appointed three men to oversee our "Economic Recovery" These are the SAME THREE who were instrumental in wiping out 20% of US manufacturing in 14 years! This is the trio who under Clinton gave us WTO, NAFTA, repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and China’s entry into the WTO. These are the same dudes who are responsible for exporting millions of American jobs. REFERENCE: www.economyincrisis.org...

Obama: "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"


YUP, YUP, A CHANGE to POVERTY, MISERY and SERFDOM!



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide.


First off how do you figure it's going to be blamed on Obama since oil prices have already gone up signifigantly and it's being blamed on panic in the spot market due to the recent wave of instability in the Middle East.

Second off what do you think Obama can do to stop the Bankers, Military Industrialists and Oil Barons if they want more war in the Middle East to rack up more debt, sell more weapons, and make more profit off of oil?




How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?


Completely off topic drivel, that if someone reviews your very short posting history which begins with and primarily revloves around this thread is focused on the Middle East and your dislike of Obama.

In fact after having read your other posts in other threads to see if there is any truth to the suspicions some are already voicing about your posting habits I have drawn two conclusions from what you are posting.

You want war(s) in the Middle East, and you don't want Obama to get credit for them.

Now what isn't so clear is whether you don't want him getting credit for them is because you don't like the man and percieve him as weak and don't want others to see him as resolute or forceful when it comes to so called Middle East/Iranian 'National Security Issues'...or if because software like the HB Gary software is being used, and you deep down don't want Obama to be seen as the President who as Commander and Cheif authorized the use of a computer program that is in essence the anti-thesis to democracy and is leading to the death of well intentioned people around the world, and freshly installed Military dictatorships and not democracies because of it's use. In other words attempting to cover butts.




I'll go with reallity here.
People used facebook and twitter to overthrow the despots.


Here again we see two things, which is evidenced in some of your other posts in other threads, that you want war in the Middle East.

Two we see where once again you contradict in part your poor quality assertions and arguments as you agree yes the Internet is being used to coordinate these uprisings.

Yet we also see a level of denial that borders on ignorance or willful misrepresentation since some of those 'people' who are using twitter and facebook, is the United States Central Command in the Middle East that has admitted that they are using the HB Gary Software to cozy up to extremist elements.

Here in the United States the same government that employs the soldiers in Central Command label as extemists anyone protesting at a G-20 or sporting a Constitution themed bumper sticker.

So when US Central Command admits they are using this software to cozy up to extremists, yes that typically means anti-government elements within a nation.




It had nothing to do with some cyber zombie app that at best couldn't even be used to find out what's going on, had it's originator fired and is a posterchild for internet regulation.


Once again all over the map assertions with no clear logic. The software is not meant to be an intelligence gathering tool but a propaganda tool.

Outraged and Intelligent concerned citizens of the world created the pressure that had the head of the company fired that developed and marketed this software AS A SACRIFICIAL LAMB hoping that ousting him would give those concerned people a pound of flesh and appease them and the use of this software would then go unchallenged.

Then we see another fear card being tossed out "Internet Regulation" which seems to border around your fear that humans only want to talk to other humans and not RSS fed bots, that presumably don't want war in the Middle East and question the PROPOGANDA so many involved with the corporations, government and the military/security industrial complex are known to post.

In other words your ultimate goal is to make sure the Internet is not regulated against the use of such software, since you have already admitted that yes the Internet is being used on real and important levels to foster these violent protests that are ushing in military dictatorships throughout the middle east.

You my friend, with 22 questionable posts under your belt, have sorely under estimated the quality of intelligence and determination and information that many posters on ATS in fact have in spades.

Weak arguments may confuse the weak minded but I would advise you this, if you listen carefully enough to what people are saying they will in fact tell you everything that they really don't want to reveal.

In your case.

1. You like wars in the Middle East and want them.
2. You like to play the left/right political divide card.
3. You know that the Internet is playing a key and effective role.
4. You don't want people to believe this software is involved in that.
5. Because you don't want this software outlawed.

Good luck trying to fool the dedicated researchers on a quality thread like this.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Strawman sockpuppet

A strawman sockpuppet is a false flag pseudonym created by a user with one point of view that acts as though the puppet has an opposing point of view, in order to make that point of view look bad and generate negative sentiment towards that view. Such sockpuppets will typically advance foolish or weak "straw man" arguments that their puppeteers can then easily refute. They often act in an unintelligent, uninformed, or bigoted manner. Their effect is to discredit more rational arguments for the same side.


Meatpuppet

The term meatpuppet or "meat puppet" is used as a pejorative description for a number of quite different online behaviors. An early recorded use is in cyberpunk novelist William Gibson's Neuromancer (1984).[17] The term had a long history before the Internet, including the alternative rock band Meat Puppets, and a TV series broadcast in 1980 and featuring Wil Wheaton. Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (apparently) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position.[18] The person is implied to be analogous to a sockpuppet in function and goals, but a real separate person (i.e. "meat") rather than fictitious. Wired columnist Lore Sjöberg puts "meat puppet" first on a satirical list of "common terms used at Wikipedia," giving its supposed Wikipedia meaning as "a person who disagrees with you".[19]

A number of other online sources, however, use the term "meatpuppet" for varied sockpuppet behaviors. For example, according to one online encyclopedia, a meat puppet "publishes comments on blogs, wikis and other public venues about some phenomenon or product in order to generate public interest and buzz"—that is, engages in the kind of behavior more widely known as astroturfing.[20] A 2006 article in The Chronicle of Higher Education stated, "The 'meat puppet' is a peculiar inhabitant of the digital world—a fictional character that passes for a real person online."

Ballot stuffing

[color=Tan]Sockpuppets may be created during an online poll to submit multiple votes in favor of the puppeteer. A related usage is creating multiple identities, each supporting the puppeteer's views in an argument, attempting to position the puppeteer as representing majority opinion and sideline opposition voices. In the abstract theory of social networks and reputation systems, this is known as a sybil attack.

A sockpuppet-like use of deceptive fake identities is used in stealth marketing. The stealth marketer creates one or more pseudonymous accounts, each one claiming to be owned by a different enthusiastic supporter of the sponsor's product or book or ideology.[23][24] A single such sockpuppet is acting as a shill; creating large numbers of them to fake a "grass-roots" upswelling of support for a cause is known as astroturfing.

U.S. legal implications of sockpuppeting

* In 2008, 49-year-old Missouri resident Lori Drew was prosecuted and convicted in Los Angeles for creating a fake MySpace account where she claimed to be a 16-year-old boy named Josh Evans. Drew's goal had been to create a relationship with Megan Meier, a 13-year-old girl who had been in conflict with Drew's daughter. After "Josh" ended the relationship with Megan, Megan committed suicide. Drew's conviction was for misrepresenting her identity, in violation of the MySpace terms of service. The Los Angeles U.S. Attorney successfully claimed that this was covered by federal computer fraud legislation against "accessing a computer without authorization via interstate commerce."[25][26] Drew appealed the verdict, saying that her use of a false identity did not constitute unauthorized access to MySpace, based on a 1973 breach of contract dispute where a court of appeals ruled that "fraudulently induced consent is consent nonetheless."[27] On 3 July 2009, the appeal was tentatively upheld.[28]

* In 2010, Raphael Golb was convicted on 30 out of 31 counts, including identity theft, criminal impersonation and aggravated harassment, for using multiple sockpuppet accounts to attack and impersonate historians he perceived as rivals of his father.[29] Golb defended his actions as "satirical hoaxes" that were protected by free-speech rights. He has been disbarred and sentenced to six months in prison, but remains free on appeal on $25,000 bail.



en.wikipedia.org...

They have multiple personalities too!





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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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You CANNOT free yourself from 'religion' as ALL is supernatural and paranormal or ethereal.

Secular systems are simply NOT possible as we are NOT totally real. You can see the shimmer/aura and the shape-shift quite easily.

Remember it is not the FACT of your DEATH that concerns us but the MANNER of it!

For many 'religion' depends on our astrological star sign. I am a Taurus, my father was a Scorpio, my mother was a Sagittarius, my 'wife' (a handmaiden of the 'lord') was an Aries.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to control or govern a system like this for any length of TIME. Now we are all out of time.

Where Orthodoxy and Catholicism are concerned "They sit in their churches waiting for death!"
(Hence Russian communism. The people had to be made to work.)

"Who are we?" say the jews. Response, "We are death." Hence the death camps in WWII. Hitler tried to kill death itself.

The 'lord' giveth and the 'lord' taketh away! We will all lose all material goods and be forced into celibacy.

The Shakers in America knew this. So did the Puritans, you might remember prohibition in the USA.

They should have prohibited weapons, tobacco, drugs, television, high-rise buildings, the mafia, jews, AND the internet with all the pornography and kept America pastoral as it used to be before it was 'discovered' in 1492.

Given the level of pornography this 'god' is a HIGHLY perverted mass murder as it has ALWAYS been.

America has really been built and controlled by the Mafia and there are NO indigenous Americans except a few 'Native Americans whose country this was and they were always warring with each other. There was the war of independence, North South war, wars with the Mexicans and Spanish, Santa Anna and the Alamo, Indian wars, range wars and so on. Always warring.

China has had many internal wars too. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Burma, India, Iran Iraq Angola, South American Conquistators from Spain. Inca and Maya blood sacrifice. Even the ancient Druids had blood sacrifice and so did the Pagans. (The Wicker Man for example)

War and killing generally is NOT a natural condition it is supernatural. Constant peace would be a more natural and more desirable condition.

"To be or not to be that is the question, whether it is better in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of tempestuous fate, etc." Shakespeare. He also wrote Macbeth in which the line "Out damned spot!" also refers to the Sun as a spot in the sky and alludes to necromancy the eventual stealing of the Sun itself leaving us all in darkness. Or we go blind or simply die...

Shakespeare also wrote "A Comedy Of Errors" and so it has been. A tradgedy in reality. The coincidence here is that there is now a Sebastian COE in charge of the 2012 Olympics in England which I would say can be safely cancelled as I doubt if we will ever see 2012.

Shakespeare again, 'As you like it!" where it refers to sex, the penis and now I.T. Literally IT is IN 'heaven'.

Most countries have HIGH levels of crime INTERNALLY which nobody seems to notice. Well 'religion' is of itself a crime. The 'gods' will MAKE you do things which you would never do if you were in FULL control of yourself.

This year is the Chinese year of the Rabbit and that is basically what we are.rabbit 'men' and bunny 'girls'.

Never with my children. I never wanted children 'for the church'.

Church versus State and the 'vexed question' of the Jews. Well Jesus was supposed to be the 'King of the Jews' but he/it was never King of any monarchy on this planet.

Maybe we would benefit in taking lessons from the Amish but I rather think that it is a lot too late for that.

We seem to have two options now apart from gradual Apocalypse/Armageddon. The temperature drops to absolute zero or the Sun expands into a red giant and burns the entire planet Earth before it becomes a white dwarf or whited 'sepulchure' like the 'sacred host' representing a corpse drained of blood.

As IT is written so shall IT come to pass. They did burn all the books! The NAZIs and a track from Dire Starits.

Expert textpert chocking smokers don't you know the Joker laughs at you?

Lucy (lucifer) in the sky with diamonds and jewish diamond merchants. That is why John Lennon got himself shot as he gave part of the 'game' away.

See also 'Watership Down' and satanic rabbits.

It is impossible to govern six billion 'people' with no resources and it is impossible to communicate with six billion at the same time BUT our supercomputer creator CAN do this and IT (genderless) seems to be able to do this at the same time and possibly in different dimensions too. Pretty amazing really but still not suitable.

Now the Vatican says that 'Christ' was dead BEFORE he was born! Ah well, Neitchke said that 'god' was dead some time ago. God being the opposite spelling of dog. Pig-dog.

So here is the promise of 'god' that the Vatican speaks of., I will bugger (sodomise) ALL these pigs/dogs before I am finished! (See Pigs In Space or PIS)

Passover? Passing over your property/identity/country to others, Jewish Cuckolds, and passing over the water from life unto death.

Think on, there is no such thing as a pure race, we are ALL mongrels!

Mars has come close to us causing our soft planet to flex. The first signs were the tsunami in the Indian ocean and the tidal wave that levelled New Orleans. Now Earthquakes and mudslides, a changed weather pattern and extreme weather events everywhere.

America cannot outbuild or outperform the rest of the World. It is practically over.

It is no longer safe to live here. But then it never really has been...

Sorry.

Ian Chattan ex NATO SIS



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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In an odd way that's all it really takes is a small but vocal group determined to not let something quietly die, and believe me, a lot of people in government, the military, and the corporate world really were hoping this would just fade quietly away....


Unfortunately TPTB has a way of taking things like this and spinning it to their advantage.


From passed experience this will be spun into something we do not want like regulation of the internet and CENSORSHIP!


This looks to me to be a repeat of the Food Safety battle: John Munsell's against-the-odds struggle for improved food safety. There were not one but TWO Congressional investigations. The Munsell-ConAgra scandal and the Hallmark slaughter scandal.


Senator Burns to convene a congressional hearing in Billings last December, where Munsell testified on the failings of USDA inspections...

Munsell also convinced the Government Accountability Project (GAP)—the nation's leading whistleblower organization—to investigate the USDA's handling of his case. In July 2003, GAP released a major report titled "Shielding the Giant: USDA's 'Don't Look, Don't Know' Policy for Beef Inspection." "The ConAgra-Munsell scandal," it concluded, "perpetuates a long-standing USDA pattern to blame the messenger and scapegoat the victims, rather than stand behind its seal of wholesomeness."

Why would the USDA willfully ignore a whistleblower and stand by as feces-tainted meat entered grocery stores? Two decades of federal reforms have left more and more regulation in the hands of the meat industry itself. "Agribusiness runs the show" at the USDA, says Tony Corbo, a food-safety lobbyist with the watchdog group Public Citizen....


Stanley Painter, Chairman of the National Food Inspection Unions, stated in his testimony at the congressional hearing on the Hallmark Dower Cows:

“..when we see violations of FSIS regulations and we are instructed not to write non-compliance reports... Sometimes even if we write non-compliance reports, some of the larger companies use their political muscle to get those overturned....Some of my members have been intimidated by agency management in the past when they came forward and tried to enforce agency regulations and policies. I will give you a personal example:

In December 2004, I began to receive reports that the new SRM regulations were not being uniformly enforced. I wrote a letter to the Assistant FSIS Administrator for Field Operations at the time conveying to him what I had heard...I was paid a visit at my home in Alabama by an FSIS official dispatched from the Atlanta regional office to convince me to drop the issue. I told him that I would not. Then, the agency summoned me to come here to Washington, DC where agency officials subjected me to several hours of interrogation including wanting me to identify which of my members were blowing the whistle on the SRM removal violations. I refused to do so....I was then placed on disciplinary investigation status. The agency even contacted the USDA Office of Inspector General to explore criminal charges being filed against me...

Both my union AFGE and the consumer group Public Citizen filed separate Freedom of Information Act requests in December 2004 for any non-compliance records in the FSIS data base that would support my allegations. It was not until August 2005 that over 1000 non-compliance reports – weighing some 16 pounds -- were turned over to both AFGE and Public Citizen that proved that what my members were telling me was correct – that some beef slaughter facilities were not complying with the SRM removal regulations... on the same day those records were released, I received written notification from the agency that they were dropping their disciplinary investigation – eight months after their “investigation” began.... njcfil.com...


In both cases it was darn obvious that the problem was the new HACCP regulations that turned food safety and testing over to the corporations. (Ag Policy.org)

So what do we find after the new food "Safety" bill passes in December?



HACCP Training Courses
March 24-25 & April 18-19, 2011
Los Angeles & Emeryville, CA

HACCP Plans will soon be required under the Food Safety Modernization Act, and training for current and new employees is needed. www.foodsafetynews.com...


This is the "NEW PLAN"




...The new law gives FDA clear authority to access a facility's written food safety plan, together with monitoring and test results, during its regular inspections of the food plant. These records must be made available to "a duly authorized representative of the Secretary upon oral or written request." This will greatly aid the FDA in improving the effectiveness of its inspections... www.foodsafetynews.com...


Food Safety Law Sparks ‘Gold Rush’ for Tech Firms

This is the "OLD PLAN"



...when USDA “officials initially described HACCP to the industry in the mid-90’s, the agency made the following enticing promises:

* “Under HACCP, the agency will implement a ‘Hands Off’ role in meat inspection.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will no longer police the industry, but the industry will police itself.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will disband its previous command and control authority.
* “Under HACCP, each plant will write its own HACCP Plan, and the agency cannot tell plants what must be in their HACCP Plans.”

As a result, the plant operator was required to identify potential hazards and the critical points in the process where those hazards could come into play. The plan would then identify procedures that would be used to minimize the hazard risk at those control points. The plant would be responsible for the implementation of the plan.

As a result, the inspector was no longer responsible for what was happening on the plant floor: that was left to company personnel. The new role of the inspector was to make sure that plant personnel were carrying out their duties in a manner consistent with the HACCP plan. In many cases this amounted to making sure that all of the paper work was in the proper order. www.agpolicy.org...


The only change was to require farmers to have HACCP plans AND TRACEABILTIY.
Why?

From a conference scheduled in 2009 addressing how to pass the blame to farmers.

Conference to address food-borne illness litigation


“The conference will cover topics such as aligning damage assessments/expectations with the outcomes from recent resolved litigation; managing an outbreak effectively to minimize shareholder and reputational risk afterwards as quickly as possible; and how to measure and prove actual control of various players in the movement of contaminated food to accurately assess apportionment of liability.... MEATING PLACE (members only)


So all the Congressional hearings and MSM screaming about "food safety" did, was advance the corporate agenda. It does not make food one bit safer because the FDA can not act until AFTER someone is sick or DIES. The FDA no longer INDEPENDENTLY TESTS the food. At which point the Corporation can pass the blame and lawsuits off on the farmers who supplied the raw food.

As a former QC engineer/Chemist in charge of Quality Control labs, I can tell you test results and Certificates of Analysis are falsified ALL the time. I have gotten fired for refusing to falsify data on more than one occasion... in government regulated Industries.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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ah yes i agree and am now considered enlightened by a low watt fluorescent rabbit bulb upside down.

did you agree to the terms of the Roman Senate by way of HBGary's instructions yet?

Julius Caesar clear proof was fake assassination with His double killed instead.

Josephus Flavius was the real author if He was not fiction by Himself.

worldwar 3 IS starting in Libya soon .. followed by nwo with new "district union" areas all oil fields.

the saudi king family is a stockholder in TPTB other dictators are only working for TPTB.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Very interesting connection ianchattan joined and made his first post to this thread on 3/1/2011.

TinfoilTP (swich the P with the T and you might have Protoplasmic Traveler) also joiined and made his first post to this thread on 3/1/2011!

ianchattan has only made posts to this thread.

TinfoilTP has primarily only posted to this thread except for a couple of Libyan and Iranian threads.

Judging by the quality of ianchattan's post, and the frustration in TinfoilTP's posts I would say TinfoilTP is not happy with the overall quality of the HB Gary software.

We certainly do seem to have the sockpuppet (ianchattan) and the meat puppet TinfoilTP, in what is very likely an effort to see if even the discerning minds on this thread can be fooled by the use of this software.

I believe we are getting a little mini-demonstration of how this software works.

I think they want us to piece that together, and to conclude that the software does not work very well and we should not be alarmed or concerned about it.

Whoever sits at the other end you can quote me "I am flattered really I am, but I absolutely am going to expose you all, and stop the Shadow Government's plans".

Pass that up the line please!

Thanks!
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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.....Be what you want to see in the world. You impact others by doing so, and most importantly, you have the one thing you ever truly can call your own, integrity.


AMEN to that.

It is about getting up in the morning and being able to look yourself in the eye without cringing.

I would still have a job I would not be blackballed, and I would be wealthier if I had shut up and been a "TEAM PLAYER" instead of standing up for what is right.

So I am much poorer but at least I do not have the blood of several people who were maimed and killed on my hands as my bosses do.

I would not trade places with them for any amount of money.

What I find really ironic is they are all good "church going" "Christians" while I am an agnostic!

As Ayn Rand said, Morality should be RATIONAL not EMOTIONAL/FAITH based. When it is rational you and you alone are responsible for your decisions. You can't slough the responsibility off on someone else.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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Even if Cold Fusion worked and could power cars, generators tomorrow, we would still need to crack Oil. Plastics, Roads, Chemicals, Pharmacuticals the list is almost endless.


As a chemist who worked in plastics, textiles, and pharmaceuticals, I am horrified we burn such a useful chemical.

It is one of the many reasons I support THORIUM based nuclear energy

It is cheaper, cleaner and not as wasteful of a valuable resource.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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I think we ought to take a look at some of the other clues provided for us...

ianchattan ex Nato SIS...


the SHAPE International School

The SHAPE International School (SIS) is an integral part of the Supreme Headquarters of Allied Powers in Europe (SHAPE). It is a federated complex in which an integrated kindergarten and national sections (eight elementary sections established by Belgium, Canada, Germany, Great-Britain, Italy,The Netherlands, Norway, United States and three secondary sections provided by Belgium, Germany and United States) operate side by side with the cooperation of an International General Services Unit.

Though national sections are responsible for the selection of their staff and the determination of their curriculum, the policies of the school as a whole are drawn up by the SHAPE International School Board (SISB). The Members of this Board are appointed by their National Military Representative while its President is SACEUR's own Representative.

The Principals Committee, chaired by the Director General SIS, implements the policies established by the SISB and, in turn, makes recommendations to the SISB.

The two basic principles guiding the policies of SIS are that :

When pupils leave SIS to return to their countries, they are able to resume their studies with no significant problems of readjustment.

Every opportunity should be used to acquaint students of SIS with persons of other nationalities, to study their cultures and understand their point of view.


www.nato.int...

So if we are to believe ianchattan he was either a student or a teacher at a very special Nato school aimed specifically at young people from Kindergarden through Elementary school to basically educate them across cultural lines.

There is some lovely New World Order thinking.

Nato does not say much about the cirriculum at this school on their site except to mention it's about teaching the children other cultures points of view.

Who ideally once so educated would make good candidates for running this software by being able to pretend they are a member of the culture they are running it in, since from an early age on, they were taught how to think like and understand people of those cultures.

Are we seeing the kind of typical long range planning that the Powers that Be use, by educating a special class of individuals to perform as international cyber warriors?

Nato SIS is presumabl just the first step in what might be a 'special education' program that begins at 5 and carries them all the way through highschool and college in other programs.

We might be getting a glimpse here of how they actually grow select people to function in these roles by brainwashing them at the most tender age, so that they have no moral qualms about functioning at the dishonest level that they will be in working in this covert and clandestine activities and programs.

Lets see what else we can garner from their posts.

They clearly both joined ATS the day after this thread was published, so in other words as soon as it hit the radar, they were created to work the thread.

As Mr. Spock would say...fascinating!



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide. How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?


By Raiding YOUR Piggy Bank of course


US Departments of Labor and Treasury Schedule Hearing on Confiscation of Private Retirement Accounts

Haven't you hear what Obama's buddy said?
"current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class, involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” - Maurice Strong



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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I haven't made it through the entire thread, not yet at least so excuse any repeats of old information, but I do want to make a few points emphatically very clear while agreeing with your premise that the internet is not only being used as a weapon, but it was created with the intent purpose that it would "most likely", "one day", "eventually" become seen as a possibility regarding its use as a weapon.

Back in the day, all of this, of course, was compliant with our declared military stance of defense, not offense....
All of this happening at the then present time.
My how things change. (Like living in a post 911 world. Whatever)

So, this seemed to worry no one, and to top it off it was ironically seen by most of the world's people as a really good thing.
(The good ole US of A pulls another fast one again. Those damn German's from Operation Paperclip. We should all give an over the top thank you to Prescott Bush and the whole Bush family for this present debacle.... and that includes Obama. But just remember they are PAWNS)

Back when the US was internationally accepted as the beacon of light, hope, and democracy in the free world, things were quite different than they are presently.
Our currency actually had mutually agreed upon world reserve international status.
People looked to our country for aid and help, a lending hand out of care for those in need to those without.
We were revered internationally... and not despised, as we are currently...

Our exoteric philosophy was that our more than adequate and growing Armed Forces stood at attention and were readied for defensive purposes, search and rescues, and humanitarian missions only.
We, as the sole "benevolent" super-power, stood by as the "world police" with the world granted (bribed) UN power, which was needed to form a coalition that was lead by the US of course and would serve to "enforce" the "power of the people".
(NEVER to commit genocide.....)


But just as a once brilliant man said:

"things tend to ummm... change" - source unknown

"absolute power corrupts absolutely" - source unknown

We also happen to have the largest and most formidable army in the world, the most clout in the UN, the only military branch in the world who are out of their freaking minds crazy enough to detonate TWO nuclear devices in TWO different populous Japanese cities (that alone traumatized the world to such a degree that it continues to scare the S%&T out of people, today), and, of course, none of this is checked by the fact that the UN is mostly funded and is a product of the US Empire that has dominated the globe for the past 60+ years, with a form of government called....

Fascism. (Tell me....who has the sole veto vote on UN resolutions.... that is what I thought)

Well guess what folks?
This all greases the wheels for US global hegemony with its corporations, but on a military scale with sick, slick propaganda and a little help from big pharma.
(I won't even mention the spiritual or economic means of control in this thread)

TPTB let us hide under the guise of democracy while we enjoy a lifestyle like none seen before (except maybe the height of the Roman Empire); however, this feeling of "safety through consumerism" that we know all too well, whether we admit it or not, is solely due to products that our corporations dispense, import, and sell to us
These products do not cater to our needs, to foster growth as a species, but they try to make us feel "individualized and "empowered" by addressing our emotions and not our abstract, rational, critical thinking skills.
These are the things needed for personal growth and mental academic freedom.
But we are much easier to manipulate when dumbed down by pop culture.

This IS public relations btw..., which is all based upon crowd psychology
But we, as a group, are like whining babies who need our mom to breast feed us in order to quiet us down, and our dad to protect us from harm. All based upon emotion. Nothing REAL.
This happens to the be the basis for public relations.

WWII freaked out TPTB, "supposedly", because they saw how "animalistic" man can be by the "brutality" done by the nazi's. (I guess the Israelis and their treatment of the Palestinians don't count, the Americans and their treatment of the Natives as well, etc...) War is HELL people, but genocide in inexcusable.
So in response to this they gave the world.... fascism (as in the Roman Fasci)

This fascism, or corporatism as it is more appropriately named (that's by Mussolini himself, not me) produces all that is necessary in order to satiate bodily human cravings. This would then keep the people distracted and at bay by controlling their animal instincts (think Freudian id), while the real power to run the world was done by TPTB.

People might argue with me, but in my opinion, Milton Friedman style economics, as it is currently being imposed by the neo-cons, including Obama, is the model for modern fascism. (markets for the poor and socialism for the uber-wealthy).
The Earth itself, when consumed and not sustained, contains a certain carrying capacity regarding humans.

The technology exists to make this world a place where we do not need to consume any longer, but simply sustain. We can become a self sustaining world, with what we have available to us today.
But this will take lots of money. All of which is hoarded by the uber-elite.
We can clothe everyone.
We can feed everyone.
We can give adequate health care to everyone.

We can truly become a supra civilization if given the right catalyst.
But we have the psychopathic "elites" guarding the gates to our future, a future that both groups feel is theirs by birthright.

Now onto the thread:

The internet allows the world to communicate. That is true and seemingly a good thing, but in a world where 2/3 live in poverty, they get to see how "good" we have it here in the states.
(yes, 3rd world countries hate us, but it is not for our "freedoms" (how can anyone hate freedom?), but it is our opulent lifestyle that they can now see while they suffer extreme poverty at the hands of their leader, a leader who was a puppet head put into power in the first place by the US****. It is our disregard for true wealth and value and our outsourcing of trash that they hate. I would say what they experience toward the average American is more envy/misplaced anger than hate.
**** See Saddam Hussein)

The internet, or ARPRANET when it was invented by DARPA, was to the be used as a means of communication in case of a nuclear attack...
Well now that we see that the cold war was a big JOKE with the same side funding both sides, then we can understand that the Bush administration's policy of pre-emptive strikes was thought of WELL before it was implemented.
(The purpose of DARPA is to stay one step AHEAD of the enemy for Christ's sake.)

The people who have been living under a repressive dictatorship can easily be cajoled into a revolution, not by military incursion, but calculated social uprising, because centralizing the ability to gather information about people across the globe is here and now. Get used it. Total Information Awareness.
How so very convenient.

If the DARPA invented "internet" is to be used to sell US style democracy to the world, then the only real battle is to suppress the truth from going viral to the entire world.
And that is done through controlled opposition, marginalization, character attack, and an overload of lies that leads to guilt by association.
And now, a software that allows for the control of public opinion.
The internet as a source for grass roots social movements is now dead people. Sorry.
Watch the movie 12 Angry Men to see the power of groupthink at work.

We live in the model for the coming NWO. It is here. We see it in "programming" everyday.
Our kids experience it when they are taught what to think and not how to think in school.
Our media propaganda complex has the majority so fooled that freedom is the last thing that I see in America.

Unless, freedom is to become a sociopathic, wealth hoarding, society destroying, dooshbag, then yeah we are free.
Like anarchy free.
Like fascism free.

Welcome to the NWO brought to you by the "internets"
(which is a military product in case you didn't know and our policy is pre-emptive incursion.... hmmmm maybe there is a hell of a lot of truth to what Proto is saying)
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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I came across a real interesting article about all of the Goldman Sachs employees who were and are now part of the Obama Administration.


Try looking at a Goldman Sachs employee called Dan Amstutz, he was also VP of cargill, Trade Negotiatior for the USA during the WTO ratification and Under Sec of Ag. responsible for the WTO Agreement of Ag and the Freedom to fail Farm Act that caused over production of US grain, rock bottom US grain prices and no tariffs in target countries.

Gramm, head of the CFTC, helped firms such as Goldman Sachs gain influence over the commodity markets. At the end of 2006, food prices across the world started to rise, suddenly. Wheat had shot up by 80 per cent, maize by 90 per cent, rice by 320 per cent. link

“Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof.” www.independent.co.uk...


Cargill and Monsanto also had record breaking profits during 2008 the year of world food riots and the tanking of the US Economy. Who said these guys do not cooperate in fleecing the sheeple.


A few more nuggets

Former Goldman Sachs honcho Robert Rubin was Clinton’s treasury secretary and partly responsible for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall. Weill rewarded Rubin with a $15-million-a-year job at the new Citigroup “The Man Who Shattered Glass-Steagall.”

Obama-Dodd financial bill would further enrich Goldman Sachs The "bill would reward the firm with potentially billions of dollars by instituting a so-called “resolution authority” that would, in practice, be a permanent bailout fund."



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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I think they want us to piece that together, and to conclude that the software does not work very well and we should not be alarmed or concerned about it.




Yes I think you are correct. Usually TPTB puppets are well educated and very well trained in debate and the delphi technique.

These two get an F minus



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