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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by TinfoilTP
See this might be your problem that you imagine Obama actually is in control of the Defense Department, don't you think it's a little strange that like at the Federal Reserve some of these heads stay on from one administration to the next even when they are appointed by a different party, originally, like Gates and Bernake are?
Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.
Thanks.
Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by TinfoilTP
See this might be your problem that you imagine Obama actually is in control of the Defense Department, don't you think it's a little strange that like at the Federal Reserve some of these heads stay on from one administration to the next even when they are appointed by a different party, originally, like Gates and Bernake are?
Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.
Thanks.
They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide.
How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?
I'll go with reallity here.
People used facebook and twitter to overthrow the despots. It had nothing to do with some cyber zombie app that at best couldn't even be used to find out what's going on, had it's originator fired and is a posterchild for internet regulation.
"political suicide" IS part of the game they play! the "politicians" ALL KNOW it goes with the territory .. they are all just "managers" for TPTB. for every "political" office at the federal level there are 100's of unseen, unelected "advisers" and marionette string pullers working behind the scenes. the entire Middle East - North Africa fiasco IS a 100% controlled event. "gas prices up" is only one way they use to funnel the money away from the public. all good politicians and CEOs do their jobs to create money funnels and steady whirlpools. the "socialist" "changes" were/are merely another way to funnel the money aren't/weren't they?
A List of Goldman Sachs People in the Obama Government: Names Attached to the Giant Squid’s Tentacles
At a time when Congressional hearings are set to call testimony from some Goldman Sachs employees, it is vital to understand how widespread that institution’s ties are to the Obama administration. This diary shows the pervasive influence of Goldman Sachs and Goldman created institutions (like the Hamilton Project embedded in the Brookings Institution), employees and influence peddlers in the Obama administration. While many of the people listed below formerly worked for Goldman Sachs or its offshoots (like the Hamilton Project, including all three of that project’s first Directors) influence can be exerted not only through people but through money, awards, sponsored scholarship, and creation of an agenda favorable to Goldman Sachs (which is where Brookings and the Hamilton Project come in and have proved especially useful to Goldman Sachs).
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by ianchattan
Ok yeah either you need some serious psychological help to try and piece together that fragmented, scatter shot way of thinking you have or you are indeed a bot program.
I believe the OP is right about the itnernet becoming a weapon as evidenced by HBGarys nasty little program but maybe it's further ahead than we realised and users like the one replied to here are an example.
I wonder if ATS would support a human recognition program like captcha to make posts, it would slow things down i know but it might eliminate the bot risk.edit on 3-3-2011 by ImaginaryReality1984 because: (no reason given)
Obama is merely a puppet of much more powerful corporate interests, and yeah, they want the gas price to go up, and the economy to tank, and if you imagine Obama has actually been trying to fix the economy, I think you are really well, just not a very good judge of people or things.
They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide.
How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?
I'll go with reallity here.
People used facebook and twitter to overthrow the despots.
It had nothing to do with some cyber zombie app that at best couldn't even be used to find out what's going on, had it's originator fired and is a posterchild for internet regulation.
Strawman sockpuppet
A strawman sockpuppet is a false flag pseudonym created by a user with one point of view that acts as though the puppet has an opposing point of view, in order to make that point of view look bad and generate negative sentiment towards that view. Such sockpuppets will typically advance foolish or weak "straw man" arguments that their puppeteers can then easily refute. They often act in an unintelligent, uninformed, or bigoted manner. Their effect is to discredit more rational arguments for the same side.
Meatpuppet
The term meatpuppet or "meat puppet" is used as a pejorative description for a number of quite different online behaviors. An early recorded use is in cyberpunk novelist William Gibson's Neuromancer (1984).[17] The term had a long history before the Internet, including the alternative rock band Meat Puppets, and a TV series broadcast in 1980 and featuring Wil Wheaton. Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (apparently) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position.[18] The person is implied to be analogous to a sockpuppet in function and goals, but a real separate person (i.e. "meat") rather than fictitious. Wired columnist Lore Sjöberg puts "meat puppet" first on a satirical list of "common terms used at Wikipedia," giving its supposed Wikipedia meaning as "a person who disagrees with you".[19]
A number of other online sources, however, use the term "meatpuppet" for varied sockpuppet behaviors. For example, according to one online encyclopedia, a meat puppet "publishes comments on blogs, wikis and other public venues about some phenomenon or product in order to generate public interest and buzz"—that is, engages in the kind of behavior more widely known as astroturfing.[20] A 2006 article in The Chronicle of Higher Education stated, "The 'meat puppet' is a peculiar inhabitant of the digital world—a fictional character that passes for a real person online."
Ballot stuffing
[color=Tan]Sockpuppets may be created during an online poll to submit multiple votes in favor of the puppeteer. A related usage is creating multiple identities, each supporting the puppeteer's views in an argument, attempting to position the puppeteer as representing majority opinion and sideline opposition voices. In the abstract theory of social networks and reputation systems, this is known as a sybil attack.
A sockpuppet-like use of deceptive fake identities is used in stealth marketing. The stealth marketer creates one or more pseudonymous accounts, each one claiming to be owned by a different enthusiastic supporter of the sponsor's product or book or ideology.[23][24] A single such sockpuppet is acting as a shill; creating large numbers of them to fake a "grass-roots" upswelling of support for a cause is known as astroturfing.
U.S. legal implications of sockpuppeting
* In 2008, 49-year-old Missouri resident Lori Drew was prosecuted and convicted in Los Angeles for creating a fake MySpace account where she claimed to be a 16-year-old boy named Josh Evans. Drew's goal had been to create a relationship with Megan Meier, a 13-year-old girl who had been in conflict with Drew's daughter. After "Josh" ended the relationship with Megan, Megan committed suicide. Drew's conviction was for misrepresenting her identity, in violation of the MySpace terms of service. The Los Angeles U.S. Attorney successfully claimed that this was covered by federal computer fraud legislation against "accessing a computer without authorization via interstate commerce."[25][26] Drew appealed the verdict, saying that her use of a false identity did not constitute unauthorized access to MySpace, based on a 1973 breach of contract dispute where a court of appeals ruled that "fraudulently induced consent is consent nonetheless."[27] On 3 July 2009, the appeal was tentatively upheld.[28]
* In 2010, Raphael Golb was convicted on 30 out of 31 counts, including identity theft, criminal impersonation and aggravated harassment, for using multiple sockpuppet accounts to attack and impersonate historians he perceived as rivals of his father.[29] Golb defended his actions as "satirical hoaxes" that were protected by free-speech rights. He has been disbarred and sentenced to six months in prison, but remains free on appeal on $25,000 bail.
In an odd way that's all it really takes is a small but vocal group determined to not let something quietly die, and believe me, a lot of people in government, the military, and the corporate world really were hoping this would just fade quietly away....
Senator Burns to convene a congressional hearing in Billings last December, where Munsell testified on the failings of USDA inspections...
Munsell also convinced the Government Accountability Project (GAP)—the nation's leading whistleblower organization—to investigate the USDA's handling of his case. In July 2003, GAP released a major report titled "Shielding the Giant: USDA's 'Don't Look, Don't Know' Policy for Beef Inspection." "The ConAgra-Munsell scandal," it concluded, "perpetuates a long-standing USDA pattern to blame the messenger and scapegoat the victims, rather than stand behind its seal of wholesomeness."
Why would the USDA willfully ignore a whistleblower and stand by as feces-tainted meat entered grocery stores? Two decades of federal reforms have left more and more regulation in the hands of the meat industry itself. "Agribusiness runs the show" at the USDA, says Tony Corbo, a food-safety lobbyist with the watchdog group Public Citizen....
“..when we see violations of FSIS regulations and we are instructed not to write non-compliance reports... Sometimes even if we write non-compliance reports, some of the larger companies use their political muscle to get those overturned....Some of my members have been intimidated by agency management in the past when they came forward and tried to enforce agency regulations and policies. I will give you a personal example:
In December 2004, I began to receive reports that the new SRM regulations were not being uniformly enforced. I wrote a letter to the Assistant FSIS Administrator for Field Operations at the time conveying to him what I had heard...I was paid a visit at my home in Alabama by an FSIS official dispatched from the Atlanta regional office to convince me to drop the issue. I told him that I would not. Then, the agency summoned me to come here to Washington, DC where agency officials subjected me to several hours of interrogation including wanting me to identify which of my members were blowing the whistle on the SRM removal violations. I refused to do so....I was then placed on disciplinary investigation status. The agency even contacted the USDA Office of Inspector General to explore criminal charges being filed against me...
Both my union AFGE and the consumer group Public Citizen filed separate Freedom of Information Act requests in December 2004 for any non-compliance records in the FSIS data base that would support my allegations. It was not until August 2005 that over 1000 non-compliance reports – weighing some 16 pounds -- were turned over to both AFGE and Public Citizen that proved that what my members were telling me was correct – that some beef slaughter facilities were not complying with the SRM removal regulations... on the same day those records were released, I received written notification from the agency that they were dropping their disciplinary investigation – eight months after their “investigation” began.... njcfil.com...
HACCP Training Courses
March 24-25 & April 18-19, 2011
Los Angeles & Emeryville, CA
HACCP Plans will soon be required under the Food Safety Modernization Act, and training for current and new employees is needed. www.foodsafetynews.com...
...The new law gives FDA clear authority to access a facility's written food safety plan, together with monitoring and test results, during its regular inspections of the food plant. These records must be made available to "a duly authorized representative of the Secretary upon oral or written request." This will greatly aid the FDA in improving the effectiveness of its inspections... www.foodsafetynews.com...
...when USDA “officials initially described HACCP to the industry in the mid-90’s, the agency made the following enticing promises:
* “Under HACCP, the agency will implement a ‘Hands Off’ role in meat inspection.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will no longer police the industry, but the industry will police itself.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will disband its previous command and control authority.
* “Under HACCP, each plant will write its own HACCP Plan, and the agency cannot tell plants what must be in their HACCP Plans.”
As a result, the plant operator was required to identify potential hazards and the critical points in the process where those hazards could come into play. The plan would then identify procedures that would be used to minimize the hazard risk at those control points. The plant would be responsible for the implementation of the plan.
As a result, the inspector was no longer responsible for what was happening on the plant floor: that was left to company personnel. The new role of the inspector was to make sure that plant personnel were carrying out their duties in a manner consistent with the HACCP plan. In many cases this amounted to making sure that all of the paper work was in the proper order. www.agpolicy.org...
“The conference will cover topics such as aligning damage assessments/expectations with the outcomes from recent resolved litigation; managing an outbreak effectively to minimize shareholder and reputational risk afterwards as quickly as possible; and how to measure and prove actual control of various players in the movement of contaminated food to accurately assess apportionment of liability.... MEATING PLACE (members only)
.....Be what you want to see in the world. You impact others by doing so, and most importantly, you have the one thing you ever truly can call your own, integrity.
Even if Cold Fusion worked and could power cars, generators tomorrow, we would still need to crack Oil. Plastics, Roads, Chemicals, Pharmacuticals the list is almost endless.
the SHAPE International School
The SHAPE International School (SIS) is an integral part of the Supreme Headquarters of Allied Powers in Europe (SHAPE). It is a federated complex in which an integrated kindergarten and national sections (eight elementary sections established by Belgium, Canada, Germany, Great-Britain, Italy,The Netherlands, Norway, United States and three secondary sections provided by Belgium, Germany and United States) operate side by side with the cooperation of an International General Services Unit.
Though national sections are responsible for the selection of their staff and the determination of their curriculum, the policies of the school as a whole are drawn up by the SHAPE International School Board (SISB). The Members of this Board are appointed by their National Military Representative while its President is SACEUR's own Representative.
The Principals Committee, chaired by the Director General SIS, implements the policies established by the SISB and, in turn, makes recommendations to the SISB.
The two basic principles guiding the policies of SIS are that :
When pupils leave SIS to return to their countries, they are able to resume their studies with no significant problems of readjustment.
Every opportunity should be used to acquaint students of SIS with persons of other nationalities, to study their cultures and understand their point of view.
They want gas prices up? That is synonymous with political suicide. How will he/they enact all of his/their widesweeping socialist changes or protect the ones he/they already implemented?
I came across a real interesting article about all of the Goldman Sachs employees who were and are now part of the Obama Administration.
“Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof.” www.independent.co.uk...
I think they want us to piece that together, and to conclude that the software does not work very well and we should not be alarmed or concerned about it.