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Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:01 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

Is it possible that the UN Commission on Global Governance is trying to mitigate the effects of Corporate Global Governance - and "free trade" agreement terms that neutralize individual rights and freedoms?

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:24 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

The last sentence you highlighted in the piece is a tacit admission that farmers are being deliberately squeezed so they leave farming and sell up to those squeezing them who will then use their corporate interconnectedness to, as by magic, increase the cash return to the high teens, as you point out.

This makes what goes on in Europe as part of our common agricultural policy look like paternalistic benevolence in comparison to the dog eat dog, I hope that's not a prophecy, all the loot goes to the fat cats who think they're so smart policy of the USA, sheesh your congress is crap, time for a revolution there!

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:37 PM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

I certainly agree it is lack of education and more important a lack of critical thinking skills. It is no wonder TPTB do not want Science taught in US high Schools. College students lack scientific literacy, study finds

I took a quick look at the U.S. Department of Education statistics and was rather amused that the stats stop in 1979, the year after I graduated from high school, about when schools quit making an effort to teach. The "official government" stats of course show a steady increase in literacy:

Perhaps this is the reason why the government statistics stop at 1979

... Mean Verbal SAT scores have spiraled downward between 1972 and 2005. The trend continued in 2006, when SAT scores experienced their largest single drop in 31 years, with verbal scores falling 5 points over the previous year....

The Rand Corporation concluded, “Overall, the data show that our nation faces a tremendous challenge to raise the literacy skills of our nation’s adolescents....

Businesses and institutions of higher learning are already feeling the effects of students’ poor literacy: Seventy-four percent of professors and 73 percent of employers told Public Agenda that American students lack basic grammar and spelling skills.

Roughly the same percentages said they also lack the ability to write clearly.

However, for literacy and reading comprehension to improve, teachers and schools have to engage students in learning. The number of students saying they read for fun almost every day has dropped in the last 20 years. During the same time frame, the percentage indicating that they never or hardly ever read for fun has increased.... The Center for Education Reform 2006

Without people trained in reading and logical thinking we are left with a bunch of Boob Tube watching emotional "activists" just what TPTB wants. Just look at the riots in Wisconsin.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:11 PM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Hi everyone, this is a great thread and I enjoyed reading the posts. I believe that the controlling elite definitely do use the Internet in their warfare. How many times have we encountered someone suggesting that another one is a paid poster. We know that they want a killswitch in the US now, but decry the use of it in places like Egypt and Tunisia. I find that so curious. Google? Well just a short few years ago I remember they got in hot water with China and there was that huge breuhaha about turning over data about dissidents there and there was even a Congressional hearing about it and the Intl implications. I remember reading posts about the Great Firewall of China. These days, I read articles about how Google was spying on China. I wonder which it really was, spying on China for US or spying on Chinese people for the Chinese govt. Or a little of both maybe. And Bill Gates was over in China giving them the source code for Microsoft. Did Gates sell his soul to the devil when the govt brought suit against his corp? Or is he just naturally a traitorous Intl globetrotter?
I had high hopes when the Tunisian protests broke out. But I found an obscure article pretty early on discussing the trade unions involvement there. I said to some friends that I suspected there was some Socialist activity involved. Then I put up an #Egypt hashtag in my twitter, and shortly after El Baradei resurfaced, there was suddenly a bunch of anti American rhetoric, and all the Socialists and communists came out of the woodwork. I began to feel it was really a concerted effort or at least an effort to use the movement to stir up support for Intl Socialism. Then the Union protests in Wi happened. Suddenly there's all this solidarity going on and reports of Egyptians ordering pizza for the unions in Wi. Sounds really neat huh? Only it's the World Socialists gearing up and stirring protests.
I'm sorry to say, I don't think it bodes well for freedom loving peoples of the world. Now POTUS is giving tough talk to Qaddafi and theres rumors of wars. Oh wait, where have I heard that before? Like others have said on this thread, the Elite want their NWO and things like this always look to me like it's been engineered. After all, the Elite sit around in their secret Bilderberg meetings and discuss this stuff. They wanted a global tax. Well who is sporting a global tax now? Why, its none other than the AFL-CIO boss Trumka. And guess what? He's bragging about how his group is involved in Egypt. Who else was in Egypt recently? Why Bill Ayers, Code Pink.
So, are they gearing up for a war with ships and tanks and guns? Or is it just a takeover of Intl Socialists? Or both? Amd they've frozen Libyan assets in the name of prosecuting human rights violators. I don't believe it for one second. I think they will use that money in their global power grab.
Oh btw, the name they are giving that global tax? Its being called the Global Financial Transaction tax. Sound familiar?
Anyway, they always seem a step ahead, but we must educate ourselves.
I have one last contribution I wanted to make toward this thread, and it relates to unity and the Internet. So here it is and please enjoy.

edit on 28-2-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

I think the whole Google/China/U.S. deal was (is) a deceptive move to take the heat off Google and sway support for Google as a "People's Choice" and friend of the Citizens.

One dead giveaway was the Google employee involved in the Egypt protests!

Google is a LARGE Corp owned by the big financial institutions, NOT by the average investor!

THAT means = total control.

and I would say that the real "Global Tax" IS -------- OIL itself!

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:30 PM

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by jackflap

Jack, thank you for digging all that information out and putting it into a logical order.

I have seen this mental manipulation at work.

Barbara Kowalcyk Co-founder, director of food safety, Center For Foodborne Illness is a classic example of this manipulation process where much of the "WAR" was carried out on the internet.

Her son, Kevin died in 2001. Instead of going after the REAL cause of the problem, corruption in the USDA and FDA, she has been shepherded into joining ranks with those who killed her son.

In her own words:

President Obama made history Tuesday when he signed the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act into law. This historic event establishes the first major reform of food oversight at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) since 1938...

This new law [Food is the first step moving us toward such a system, as described in a recent National Academy of Sciences report which I co-authored.

It may be possible that the son was never murdered.

TPTB will go to great lengths to "secure" solid supporters.

Maybe She has been paid "extra" overtime to appear so gallant !

the son may be living the "life" with a new name!

edit on 1-3-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:32 PM
You know, I was just going through a lot of names from the Club Of Rome. They all hold the same ideals, population reduction, carbon tax, green economy, globalization and what not. After looking at some of the pictures associated with this information I became aware of something that is disturbing.

The pictures usually had some young person from a third world country performing some type of labor. Like grinding corn or carrying supplies on his or her head. When they are displayed the text usually referred to things like, how can we sustain the future generations and things along these lines.

All the while I am thinking that there are elitists watching these young people toil for their very lives and they wanted to know how to keep that current trend going. With them in the drivers seat and the fodder where it belongs keeping everything moving that is.

So I began to wonder about the age of populations around the world. Specifically those countries where the revolutions and unrest are occurring. Not only there but where we already have laid claim like Iraq, Afghanistan. Then I thought, Iran too because it is all but inevitable.

This is what I've come across.

One of Nine Americans is Old TODAY IN THE UNITED STATES, nearly 40 million Americans are age 65 and older, an estimated 12% of the population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, Their number is expected to more than double to 89 million by 2050.

In addition: * The United States contains more people age 65 and older than the total population of Canada. * Americans aged 65 and older outnumber the combined populations of New York, London, and Moscow. * I n 2010, Baby Boomers will begin reaching age 65, swelling the 65 and over population in the United States from 13 to 20 percent by the year 2050.* America's elderly population is expected to reach 72 million by 2030, more than double the number in 2000.

Alrighty then, the U.S. has a really old population. You can't very well get much labor out of them then can you? The following is external text from the CIA World Factbook. I am keeping it out of the external quote tags for easier review. The data shows the median age of the populations.


total: 36.8 years
male: 35.5 years
female: 38.1 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 12.8% (male 16,901,232/female 22,571,696) (2010 est.)


total: 18 years
male: 17.9 years
female: 18 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 2.4% (male 326,873/female 353,520) (2010 est.)


total: 20.6 years
male: 20.5 years
female: 20.8 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 3% (male 410,395/female 469,701) (2010 est.)


total: 26.3 years
male: 26 years
female: 26.5 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 5.4% (male 1,725,828/female 1,870,823) (2010 est.)


total: 24 years
male: 23.8 years
female: 24.3 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 4.3% (male 1,546,774/female 1,818,778) (2010 est.)


total: 24.2 years
male: 24.3 years
female: 24.2 years (2010 est.)
65 years and over: 4.4% (male 136,224/female 142,079) (2010 est.)

Now its easy to see that the U.S. has, in some cases, more than double the elderly population then these other countries that we seem to have a great interest in. Does that seem strange to anyone else but me? Theses figures are something that I would want to know as I was conquering the world.

Some might say that the revolutions are a result of the young populations. When we consider what we've already learned about external influences on our minds and how groups are targeted for manipulation, this is pretty telling stuff. Makes me wonder what they have in store for the elderly who cannot perform as efficiently as their younger counterparts.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

But today bankers sit on both sides dividing up countries like child molesters with lollipops at a Barney event.


I can just visualize David Rockefeller and J P Morgan sitting there saying "Here little girl, want some candy?"

Back on track.

If you follow from the end of your post. You get Obamacare and RFID implants

VeriChip Markets Its Implantable RFID Tags and Services Direct to Consumers

The company has launched a three-month advertising campaign for its newly rebranded Health Link system, and hopes to convince 1,000 South Floridians to get injected with rice-grain-sized transponders linked to health records.

April 28, 2008

....For $149, a consumer can have a passive 134 kHz RFID chip, compliant with the ISO 11784 and 11785 standards, implanted in his or her arm, with the transponder's unique 16-digit ID number linked to a database containing that individual's medical records and, if they so choose, a living will.

VeriChip is partnering with hearing care provider HearUSA to make the chips available....

...only about 600 people in the United States have embedded VeriChip transponders. However, the company expects that number to rise as hospital employees gradually make it a standard practice to scan the arms of unresponsive patients being admitted to an emergency room in order to access their identity and medical records immediately...

Thus far, about 900 hospitals on the East Coast have agreed to participate in the VeriChip system. These hospitals have received RFID interrogators that can be used to read a patient's embedded VeriChip RFID transponder to automatically access that person's medical records. Of those hospitals, Silverman says, about 200 have completed VeriChip training on using the system...

RFID Patient Tracking with Latest RFID Development Kit

August 27, 2010 - DAILY RFID has released the latest RFID Development Kit for patient tracking. The RFID patient management kit provides a smart combination of passive RFID wristbands, PDA handheld reader, desktop HF reader...

This is a reply to a livestock farmer inquiring about Premises ID and NAIS (National Animal Identification System)

NC Governor Easley's staffer's explains the definition of voluntary.

As for the "coercive tactics" of requiring children to sign up for this voluntary program: Exhibiting at the N.C. State Fair is not mandatory any more than driving a vehicle is mandatory. However, if you voluntarily choose to show at the fair, there are stipulations attached to that choice, such as entry forms to be correctly filled out, entry fees to be paid, health examinations, etc., just as if you drive a vehicle you must have a valid driver's license. That a choice carries conditions does not change the voluntary nature of the "choice," any more than requiring a driver's license makes driving a vehicle mandatory by law.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:40 PM

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:46 PM
reply to post by omnifreedom

You are obviously a program. If not then please add something intelligent to the thread. By the date of your registration here, and the conflicting date of your posts, something is up. By the way, a post is usually more than one word. Which is exactly what all of your posts are.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:56 PM

Originally posted by SincerelySarcastic
Benjamin Fulford would certainly agree with you, he has clearly stated that the Illuminati inspired unrest was meant to come to America. Obviously this is one of those excuses for Martial Law sorts of things, since the Illuminati have already lost and are in their death throes, this is about their last option, use us protesting against us. I actually heard on Rush a few days ago about a different story imvolving fake people on Facebook and such, they'll literally create a fake background for these people sometime. Also, I haven't taken the time to explain to many people the situation in WI, Koch bros aside, I've just been keeping it simple: You people who support the protestors and "public" unions are on the same side as the Illuminati News Networks and the Illuminati Obama Regime. These are the same ones who blamed Tucson on Talk Radio and Sarah Palin, called for civility, then continued to be extremely uncivil (gotta get in the street and get bloody). These are the same people who are in contempt for their illegal drilling moratorium and the same ones who are continuing to implement the HC bill even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. These are teh same people that needed a "shovel-ready" stimulus to save us, but had 70% of the fund left the first year, then they spent it during an election year, giving much of it out to the various Dem tentacles. This is the same regime that called for Mubarak's ousting because a tiny little group of people began protesting, which turned violent, yet are fine with Iran's crack down on their protestors and even Libya's bombing of civilians. This is the same bunch which threatened martial law if TAARP wasn't passed, the same group that gave GM and Chrysler to the unions which destroyed it. This is the party of Al Sharpton, who is responsible for the murder of several Jewish "diamond merchants". These are the same ones who continue to lie to us every time they open their mouths, yet for some reason you people think they're telling the truth about WI. The easiest way to get the truth is to realize that the MSM lie to us every second, so it's very simple to figure out the truth, it's generally the opposite of what the MSM tells us.

As far as the internet's importance to all of this, well it's pretty clear, the first thing that happens during these times of unrest is shutting down communication, generally phones and the internet. Look at Obama, he's not asking for a switch to turn off newspapers. So I would say the internet is very important to these things, especiallly if you add disinfo agents and shills. Also, on WWIII, not going to happen, beginning of a new Golden Age, much more probable, global unrest as a catalyst to kicking out the Illuminati, most likely, financial collapse as the last straw, most certainly.

Ah Yes!

get guilty, and then blame somebody else!

the only thing that was "shovel-ready" is the grave they dug!

edit on 1-3-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:02 PM

Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

WOW, very nice post. I am so glad you included actual photos of the book covers and some reference material. Good to see that you and Crimvelvet are well informed, can not wait till more people open their closed minds, put down the drink and research and study who is behind it and what is going on. If they were to all learn what they were and who they are and how to communicate in a non-violent way, what a discussion we would have and the knowledge would hopefully spread like wildfire.

Thank you.

I try to include pictures of the book covers for one simple reason.

I want people to have a visual for what to look for either in the book store or the library.

Amazon is merely an easy place for people to find them which is why I use it as a reference.

Keep in mind some books have multiple covers but most do not.

I have found these books in many different stores.

And you use combined knowledge from them, plus digging deeper, and using basic common sense.

Through all of these books, as well as a host of many more, people like crimvelvet, ProtoplasmicTraveler, myself, and many other ATS members know a lot more about this endemic disease, which is blighting our nation, screwing the pooch if you will.

And through it those bankers make money by building up economies, by destroying economies, and by waging war.

The entire Bailout was all about one thing and one thing only.

Bush started it, Obama is finishing it, and it is a high-stakes bank robbery of the Treasury.

A long-distance plan to commit financial fraud against the unsuspecting populace too ignorant to know.

This long distance plan started in 1997 at the very least with P.N.A.C.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by neoconservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

When a country begins pillaging its own coffers beware for this means the end of life as you know it.

America has many plans going on behind closed doors through secret cabals meeting.

Just look to their statement of principles.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century : Statement of Principles

PNAC's first public act was releasing a "Statement of Principles" on June 3, 1997, which was signed by both its members and a variety of other notable conservative politicians and journalists (see Signatories to Statement of Principles).

The statement began by framing a series of questions, which the rest of the document proposes to answer:

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's pre-eminent power.

Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge:

Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades?

Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

In response to these questions, the PNAC states its aim to "remind America" of "lessons" learned from American history, drawing the following "four consequences" for America in 1997:

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]

we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

While "Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today," the "Statement of Principles" concludes, "it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next."

Bolded by SKL

If you look to those persons associated with P.N.A.C. it is a list of co-conspirators.

And 9/11 was the catalyst to rob the Treasury through a means of subterfuge.

The thing that ties all of this together is information access through all of their malfeasance.

September 11th was commited in order to secure that information gap they created.

Then through this manipulate Congress and Senate through "shaking the money-tree".

September 11th was nothing more than a Covert Intelligence Fundraiser.

To get funds, to make funds flow like never before, and to tie information to money once and for all.

This is why these people are making Government sock-puppets.

Because of the information we all collectively share.

But we have to turn this open-source intelligence into actionable intelligence.

And this is just what they fear and why they are afraid of us because for once we are unflappable.
edit on 3/1/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:04 PM

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by malcr

Well, the internet is good for letting people in the third world know that the people in the west, or the first world nations, do not support the oppressive regimes of the third world.

All the working people on this planet suffer when child labor sweat shops are allowed to be set up anywhere in this world, whether it is in Pakistan or Florida.

Are you sure about that? Did you ever think that the internet is used heavily at times to promote this thought into the so called third world population? Sorta like brain washing with a smokescreen to set the people against their own government? Though I agree most of the leaders and dictators in the so called third world countries are loonies living with a political system that used to work at some point in history but not anymore. Otherwise, politicians in general are crooks no matter where you go. Thats is what POLITICS is all about. Crime by Pen, Internet or War is nothing new for politicians around the globe.

You will be surprised at the political chess games of the West and the Regimes of the so called third world countries. Many of them are nothing more than a pawn in the Great Chess Game who were setup and used by the West.
edit on 28-2-2011 by hp1229 because: add content.

One thing I'm missing here .....

How does the "third world" population get the internet anyway????

Who buys the computers, cell phones and Who pays for Internet access ?

Especially a "fast" connection needed for sites like ATS ??

All we keep hearing about the "third world" is their lack of electricity, food, etc ???

How do "they" move so easily from city to city ???

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by daddio

... Good to see that you and Crimvelvet are well informed, can not wait till more people open their closed minds, put down the drink and research and study who is behind it and what is going on. If they were to all learn what they were and who they are and how to communicate in a non-violent way, what a discussion we would have and the knowledge would hopefully spread like wildfire.

SpartanKingLeonidas and I try. But as SKL has pointed out that is only the beginning. After you are informed you must ACT. And I do not mean protests. SpartanKingLeonidas suggests things like forming a think tank, forming a nonprofit, running for office.

As I have allready mentioned for food my favorite groups are R-Calf and Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund

Otherwise this is my stock answer:

The key is to remember we have been given the weapons to fight TPTB, and no I am not talking about guns.

Again not protests, they are useless. I am talking about communicating the information on how the banksters and corporations transfer wealth and power from you and me to themselves. I visit Fleamarkets, Farmers markets and Auctions and handout index cards with a punch list to google. I ask people to tell ten of their friends and to ask them to do the same.

Second: take a leaf out of The fully informed jury movement
Inform the public and THEN pass state laws.

Informed jury amendments have been filed as an initiative in seven states and legislation has been introduced in the Alaska state legislature....

Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right, although two others -- Georgia and Oregon -- refer to it obliquely. The informed jury movement would like all states to require that judges instruct juries on their power to serve, in effect, as the final legislature of the land concerning the law in a particular case....

Those who have endorsed the right of a jury to judge both the law and the facts include Chief Justice John Jay, Samuel Chase, Dean Roscoe Pound, Learned Hand and Oliver Wendell Holmes. According to the Yale Law Journal in 1964, during the first third of the 19th century judges did inform juries of the right, forcing lawyers to argue "the law -- its interpretation and validity -- to the jury." By the latter part of the century, however, judges and state law were increasingly moving against nullification. In 1895 the US Supreme Court upheld the principle but ruled that juries were not to be informed of it by defense attorneys, nor were judges required to tell them about it....

The Ten Amendment (State Nullification) is another critical issue.

The biggest Achilles Heel of TPTB is the local and state governments. TPTB has tried to control it by using controlled "grassroots" organizations called NGOs who lure "Activists" into the likes of the World Wildlife Federation.

The Tea Party fell afoul of Agent Provocateurs and a power vacuum that was promptly filled by the Republican Party.

TPTB has always run the Democrats and republicans BUT not at the state level!

OH and here is another State Level idea. I really want to see the Federal Reserve - Hung, Drawn and Quartered - but in the mean time this looks like an alternative.

While bank bailouts fatten Wall Street, states continue to battle the credit crisis. In the search for innovative solutions, some political candidates are proposing that states generate their own credit by setting up their own banks.

Another weapon, one every single one of us should be pushing for, is a state law allowing voters to recall federal Senators and Representatives as well as state.

The biggest weapon that TPTB has is our feeling that we are helpless. DO NOT LET THEM USE IT!


posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:28 PM
reply to post by xuenchen

I think you need to see where the current interest is. All these places have the internet. Afghanistan and Iraq maybe not so much. Which is why I believe they were invaded before they could be persuaded into a revolution. Let's see about Iran because I'm not sure what's going to happen there although I feel it is going to be invasion.

In the first few years of the 21st century, Iran experienced a great surge in Internet usage, and, with 20 million people on the Internet, currently has the second highest percentage of its population online in the Middle East, after Israel. When initially introduced, the Internet services provided by the government within Iran were comparatively open. Many users saw the Internet as an easy way to get around Iran's strict press laws. A clampdown started with the election of Iranian president Mohammad Khatami, and the start of the 2nd of Khordad reform movement. It worsened with the administration of conservative president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005. Regime opponents in Iran are said to rely heavily on Web-based communication with the outside world.

Now let's look at what Lybia was offering their people before the revolt. Lybia had modern internet access affordable to everyone. Result - revolution.

Libya Telecom & Technology (LTT) (Arabic: ليبيا للاتصالات والتقنية‎) was established in 1997 as a Private Libyan Company. LTT is Libya's main and biggest Internet service provider (ISP) offering both dial-up and broadband Internet to customers Libya wide. LTT was bought over by the General Post and Telecommunication Company (GPTC) in 2004.

Now let's see what Egypt had to offer before the commotion. Egypt had modern internet access affordable to everyone. Result - revolution.

Egypt has a modern Internet infrastructure, including widespread broadband Internet access via ADSL. Starting on midnight of 27/28 January 2011 (Cairo time), widespread political protests against the Egyptian government led to the government imposing partial Internet censorship, followed by an almost complete shutdown of international Internet access between Egypt and the rest of the world. As of 2 February 2011, normal connectivity appears to have been mostly restored. With an Internet penetration rate of 15.4 percent, Egypt is ahead of most of Africa, though it lags behind many Middle Eastern countries. Also, unlike in many Arab countries, the international bandwidth market and VoIP Internet telephony have been liberalized. More than 200 Internet and data service providers operate in Egypt, making ADSL services among the cheapest in Africa. As the information and communications technology (ICT) sector continues to grow, Egypt’s spending on ICT reached $9.8 billion in 2008 and is expected to increase to $13.5 billion by 2011.

Let's see about Iraq. Limited access. Result - invasion.

Under the government of Saddam Hussein, Internet access was tightly controlled and very few people were thought to be online; in 2002 it was estimated that only 25,000 Iraqis used the Internet. With his ouster, Internet usage has become commonplace. Uruklink, originally the sole Iraqi Internet service provider, now faces competition from other ISPs, including broadband satellite Internet access services from both Middle East and European VSAT hubs. The premier military telecom service provider in Iraq is Ts 2. Since 2006 several more companies emerged to provide options to individual Iraqis that made Internet access more affordable, albeit with less bandwidth. One such business is Advanced Technology Systems-Iraq

I don't think I can find anything about the history of Afghanistan's internet history but we know they were invaded which leads me to believe they had little or none. I could keep going but I'm stopping here.
edit on 1-3-2011 by jackflap because: Tags.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:31 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

Yes, so true, these bastards mimic child predators in their actions.

Except this is entire countries, Government's, and military's they molest.

For monetary gain.

Check out this Holster Size R.F.I.D. chip reader.

Yes, I said holster size, as in for Law Enforcement.

7-11 has been using devices similar to this but a bit bulkier to scan product for inventory tracking.

Microchip in Mexico Law enforcement

And Mexico has it in action.

Mexico : The American/Mexican Border, Why Your Rights Are Gone, Because of Arizona...

The real reason behind the Border Issues, "alien issues" and Roswell, New Mexico.

Whether we're speaking of Illegal Aliens or those alleged E.B.E.'s it is all tied together.

A double-edged sword to distract the populace and usher in control collars.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:53 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by xuenchen

Heaven help us if artificial intelligence comes along then.

The machines will be in charge.

Might be an improvement you never know!

It may already be here!

as soon as start seeing the "answers" to questions popping up faster than light,

we "KNOW" its here!

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:01 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

No the core DOES NOT remains pretty much the same. That is what I was trying to point out.

In this situation there were two parties to the war. Once the bankers came up with Fractional Reserve Banking and started lending "fiat currency" to the princes, the princes could hide the cost of the war from the peasants (us) because the cost showed up as inflation of prices instead of direct taxes. This meant there was a third party to war, the bankers. Wars were no longer fought to acquire more land and resources but were fought as a way to funnel the peasants wealth directly into the pockets of the bankers and their friends.

And how has the core not remained the same in all of history? You think anybody is different the the bankers or princes are a new thing? What are they all after, only using different techniques? The tactics change but the reasons don't, and the bottom line is decked out in new clothes every once in a while, but it still remains the bottom line. They are there for power, and the levers of power. At the end it is really simple, whoever is the enemy, is the enemy, it does not matter who it is. People forgot that, and have been deceived by fancy words and ideology, which don't do squat for them, and everything for the people who created the ideology's or laws or systems.

They made an idol, and became idolaters, and the worship the top of the pyramid, which is mostly parasitic. Brought upon by the greed and blind and unquestioning believe of all parties involved. As you know all the war machine is the creation of sheeples for purposes of becoming the fodder of war, just as much as it is creating weapons and new way's to blow stuff up. Not only was Vietnam a useless pointless war, only in the interests of a few. But all of them are useless and pointless and in the interest of a few, and a few beyond.

They say hindsight is 20/20, and if anybody has read any thing on any big way in any history book you can see there are holes and questions in everything written in those books, anything from wars that were fought with rocks and sticks to the d day invasion is suspect to interpretation and one should really look at it, without preconceived notions, or especially what its written about it. And you will see that there is no such thing as a righteous or just war. This goes right in to the way people think, and are programed to think, in all your books and with all thats on the tv, and in religion and in everything you ever see and read, from news reports to fiction stories, to online chat, there is an element of programing, or at the least trying to get others to conform to your viewpoint.

Ever since one group of hunter gatherers, gathered and attacked other groups, it's always been about the same basic thing "power". So you tell me that since bankers exist now in there capacity, war has changed.
Nope, it is the same, only a new group has joined the party, which it's not a new thing really, because since way before Rome or Egypt, the middle men groups, the lenders of currency's of the world have been profiting from such things as wars and any conflict anywhere and everywhere on the face of the planet, now it's just on a bigger scale, and they are more united, you know the whole new world order. So really there is nothing new under the sun.

Whats the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. So whats the golden rule of the NWO, he who make the "order" of the new world order, is unquestioned in everything, and whatever they say is gods law and the way it should be. If anything since the people and humanity have not noticed the wolf's in sheep's clothing among them, it says something of humanity and the people, that they didn't figure this out hundreds of years ago, or even thousands of years ago, it's not like it's hidden or a secret, its right in front of there faces, and happens every couple of generations, there off to die for some righteous cause on mass. Sometimes it's really like watching the lemmings jump off cliffs, and really in some ways they deserve what they get. But in all hindsight is 20/20, if you look with your own mind, not the opinions and propagandas of others. If not your just looking at what others want you to see. So no the core remains pretty much the same, that is what I was trying to point out. The players and actors change, but all the world is still a stage.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Is it possible that the UN Commission on Global Governance is trying to mitigate the effects of Corporate Global Governance - and "free trade" agreement terms that neutralize individual rights and freedoms?

Unfortunately NO.

Here is why I say that. (yes food again)
To the third world adequate food supplies is critical.

You are aware of the World Trade Organization and the Agreement on Agriculture written by the VP of Cargill, Dan Amstutz. If not read: The WTO and the Politics of GMO. By F. William Engdahl, author of 'A Century of War:

This is the document I find most damning. Third world farmers save the best seed for planting the next year. The United Nations FAO is supporting the stealing and patenting of the seed from those Farmers, the result of 1000's of years of breeding by farmers. The word phytosanitary is directly out of the Agreement on ag.

FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved

Global Diversity Treaty:
Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting] royalty payment (1.1% of sales) is paid only if product is unavailable for further breeding and research. funds will be devoted to conservation efforts. Translation: Bio-techs Corporations steal seed from third world farmers, patents it and pay money to Bioversity International

And the theft of seed:

April 2007 Monsanto, Cargill and Maseca-ADM sign agreements to establish regional seed banks in the center and south of Mexico.

Mexico: Statement from the Network to Defend Native Maize from GMOs
...the “Monsanto law” is only part of a series of laws aimed at the spoilation and privatisation of our resources and our rights...
... government bodies are promoting the projects and the interests of multinational companies, and that agricultural and social programmes like PROMAF (Programa de Maiz y Frijol) have been created to take away our ownership of our seed stock...

seed banks, which are made up of seeds gathered from our lands and are the product of our knowledge, are now going to be under the control of big business, like Monsanto, Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, which are allied under the banner of the cartel the Mexican Seeds Growers’ Association AC (AMSAC) to promote their interests in this country, declaring themselves as “protectors” of the seed stock, when in reality they are destroying it....

That AMSAC is demanding that only its “certified” seeds are sown, and is calling our original seed “pirated”...

For Livestock:

This little document is the reason the livestock in the UK was wiped out when Foot and Mouth disease broke out. In a nut shell if you Stamp out AND VACCINATE you can not export for 24 months if you "stamp out" (kill) with NO vaccination you can export in 3 months. The outbreak BEFORE the UN and the EU got involved was minor because it was handled by local vets quickly.

2001 FAO Manual of procedures for disease eradication by stamping out

This is in collaboration with the World Trade Organization but I can not find my reference. I think it was in a WTO document somewhere.

Guide to good farming practices

This draft guide to good farming practices for animal production food safety was taken from the Report of the Meeting of the OIE Terrestrial Animal Health Standards Commission (Paris, 17-28 January 2005)

Following a request by the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) International Committee to strengthen activities in the food safety area, and desiring to further develop collaboration with the Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC), a permanent ‘OIE Working Group on Animal Production Food Safety’ was established in 2002. The Working Group’s role is to coordinate OIE activities related to animal production food safety and to provide advice to the Director General of the OIE and relevant Specialist Commissions in these areas.

And to round it out:


“...The Patenting Sentinel and Action Service (PSAS) is an important initiative of the International Committee for Animal Recording (ICAR) as regards patenting in the animal sector. This is an issue which is of uttermost importance for the future of all organizations involved in the sectors of animal recording and genetic evaluation. The latest developments in this field and the future prospects are causing increasing concern among industrialists and breeders, thus stressing the need for continuous updating on the progress of animal patenting issues worldwide and raising the awareness of professionals regarding their possibility to take action towards the protection of their professional interests....

As the animal recording and evaluation industry evolves, so will ICAR membership.... ICAR will continue to build on its strength of neutrality and integrity as related to standards and guidelines for animal recording, evaluations and equipment approvals. This will include further strategic alliances with international organizations including EAAP, FAO, IDF, OIE, ILRI, WAAP and ISO.

"Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize." - Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program, and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:22 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Speaking of the power of the Internet...

HBGary Federal CEO Aaron Barr Steps Down

Embattled CEO Aaron Barr says he is stepping down from his post at HBGary Federal to allow the company to move on after an embarassing data breach.

The announcement comes three weeks after Barr became the target of a coordinated attack by members of the online mischief making group Anonymous, which hacked into HBGary Federal's computer network and published tens of thousands of company e-mail messages on the Internet. HBGary did not respond to telephone and e-mail requests for comments on Barr's resignation.

In an interview with Threatpost, Barr said that he is stepping down to allow himself and the company he ran to move on in the wake of the high profile hack.

Now we just need to be this criminal in jail and get this software outlawed.

[color=cyan]It's a classic oxymoron ...

Sounds like "a bit of the hair of the dog that bit me"!

Maybe the software itself turned on its master!

"Artificial Intelligence" IS here and already has developed "mental problems"!

Maybe it has gone Bipolar or has developed incessant paranoia!

Must be the food!

The software is blaming itself for its' own persecution complex!

Great Caesar's Ghost --- what's next?

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:41 PM
reply to post by xuenchen

Barbara Kowalcyk Co-founder, director of food safety, Center For Foodborne Illness is a classic example of this manipulation process where much of the "WAR" was carried out on the internet.

Her son, Kevin died in 2001. Instead of going after the REAL cause of the problem, corruption in the USDA and FDA, she has been shepherded into joining ranks with those who killed her son.

It may be possible that the son was never murdered.

TPTB will go to great lengths to "secure" solid supporters.

Maybe She has been paid "extra" overtime to appear so gallant !

My thoughts exactly!!!!

If that were my son I would have done a LOT more research. If she has gone to all the trouble of starting and running a foundation, she has to have a few brains.

Given the corruption I unearthed in Organic Consumers (I had a knock down drag out with them over the phone) and Food & Water Watch, I am sure some one got to the woman with a HUGE check.

I would LOVE to see the incoming in her private bank accounts.

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