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Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:12 AM
As I've been following these events closely, I would also like to bring up another possible scenario, and that is it seems that we cant get the whole truth, and or coverage of the story necessary, due to the "termination and or trickling of media" of these countries' internet, TV news etc...

And of course... How convenient is it, that also the other form of media, the TV satellites have been "jammed."

And its not like your "average joe" can just go and walk outside to his or her dish net or directv sat and just "dial up" the nilesat in a jiffy... LOL

Now, one could always take at face value what has been "told" to us, and it could always be just as the media states that it is the "regime's" own doing...

Or something else might be playing a factor... If my memory serves me, this never happened back in the day, (internet excluded, due to the crudeness of web tech back then... However TV coverage was right in the middle of things)... You all might remember... When the U.S. was setting up shop so to speak in Iraq...

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 04:06 AM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by TuXXXeR

You know I can appreciate what you are saying, I can also appreciate those who have a desire for change and those who have a fear for change.

Yet is Egypt really better off with the Military in control?

Is Libya really better off having bombs dropped on it by it's own people?

Who emerges who takes power, who makes the trains run on time?

Not wanting something and having a real way to provide something better are two different things.

Eventually if the people can't figure out a way to provide something better themselves, someone steps into the vacuum who can make the trains run on time, and that's often for the best.

Liken it to running away from home as a child, sure you have cast off mom and dad, but where is your next meal coming from and who is going to provide it to you?

Often if it's a determined child to not go home, it turns out to be some pedophile who sexually uses and abuses them in exchange for a roof and a meal or a few dollars to survive another day.

Yeah you got rid of mom and dad but are you ready to stand on your own, and are you going to have to turn to someone worse than mom and dad to survive?

Optimism and the power of positive thinking is a great thing, blind optimism without a solid plan can be a very bad, dangerous and even deadly thing.

Places like Iraq and Afghanistan haven't transformed well even with all the various forms of help our government gives them.

Just because it's not easy is no reason to try, but having a solid plan to try, sure would work out better than not having one at all.

What I am getting at here in this thread, is the U.S. Government, the Powers that Be, the CFR, the Triadilists, etc using software to create chaos in nations that ultimately they know are going to devolve into an uglier chaos and turn to them with what they can provide to restore stability.

That's not a pie in the sky question of what people want, that's a realistic question as to what's going on, on the ground.

Thanks for posting.

First, I apologize _javascript:icon('
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Your scenario has a realistic and very frightening precedent -- in Germany. The Treaty of Versailles that ended World War 1 put a huge strain on Germany's financial state to the tune of $10 billion (yes, with a "b."). This threw the nation into a deep depression long before 1929. Loaves of bread cost baskets of money, so the people had very little to eat. Furthermore, the treaty forbade Germany from trading with other nations to gain the much needed food for its people.

Until then, the people were content to live under the rule of the Kaiser, but when they could no longer provide for their families, they revolted. Then came the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, which introduced a new entry into German politics, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party. Hitler was put into prison for a five year sentence for instigating revolt, which was commuted to only a few months, because the judge was sympathetic to Hitler's cause.

Hitler began running for office, but at first, the people thought he was too crazy. Then, when things got even worse for them, they began looking for more radical political systems, as long as the systems up for election provided jobs and food. This time, Hitler got elected to one of the three chancellor positions, and he then began secretly attacking the Jews and others, such as gypsies, gays and lesbians. The Jews, however, received the brunt of his hatred and attacks. The rest, as they say, is history, but one fact that history seldom points out is that before Hitler could institute his pogroms, he had to impose strict gun control or risk having his Stormtroopers _javascript:icon('
') killed where they stood. Then came what turned out to be the most devastating war in history, and only the American attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki could stop it.

I do disagree with you on one point, though. World War 3 will not only use the Internet. It will be very dirty, and everyone will suffer. This continent will no longer be immune due to being surrounded by huge oceans. We don't even need ICBM's to accomplish. Suitcase nukes and chemical / biological warfare can accomplish the same destruction as ICBM's.

Our only solution is to come to the peace table, in person or over the Internet, and share resources. If everyone who is able to work has a job, freedom, food and shelter, they would have less reason to revolt. Then, they will have enough to provide their disabled, children and elderly with the things that they need. For example, trade the services of a teaching hospital and staff of the quality of Loma Linda University Hospital in San Bernardino County, California for a year's supply of oil for California. Use eBooks, and let students pay on a sliding scale for their education. Like in Army Basic Training, everyone shares from their strengths to improve the weaknesses of the others. This benefits the whole group.

Thank you for your interest.


posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 05:49 AM
Another scary " Internet prophecy " below image stated:

Taken from bottom of this site: source

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 06:04 AM

Originally posted by poet1b
The answer is simple.

Tell the Fed Res to pay their own debts.

The people of the U.S. are not going to pay the debts you created for your own personal gain.

Why should U.S. workers pay back loans for money borrowed on behalf of the bankers who control the fed res.?

That should start and end WW III, and not a single shot need be fired.

Just read this and understand that what you are saying is true, YOU just need to tell them that by redeeming yourself. Then file a 1041 instead of a 1040 and reclaim ALL your wages for keeping the trust alive for the year. YOU are the fiduciary. A trust can not be audited nor any levy made upon it. There is the secret. You need your UCC-1 though and Power of Attorney in Fact.

The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt
with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:15 AM
reply to post by TheLoony

In my internet travels they usually seem to be dumber than a bag of rocks and quite a bit more vicious than they need to be.

I quite agree.

I have positively Identified two "Consultants" who work for TPTB. (Other discussion groups not ATS) They are intelligent, college grads + Yet they will not engage in a reasonable debate. No matter what information, backed by reference you bring up, it is always ignored.

As someone else mentioned they normally take their potshots towards the end of the discussions. The remarks are usually belittling, calling into question you sanity for actually believing "THAT" Ad hominem at its best.

Often they have established themselves as "Knowledgeable" and "Intelligent" previously to lend weight to their attacks. They then target a particular person by holding them up to ridicule when ever they make a post. They refuse to post any defense of their actual position.

One of the American farmers fighting for our RIGHT to farm identified the technique.

The Delphi Technique — What Is It?
A specialized use of this [delphi] technique was developed for teachers, the "Alinsky Method" (ibid, p.123). The setting or group is, however, immaterial; the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics). This allows for a special application of a basic technique.

The change agent or facilitator goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms "task forces," "urges everyone to make lists," and so on. While s/he is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. S/He identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the "weak or noncommittal".

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." S/He dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.

The method works. It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and any community group. The "targets" rarely, if ever, know that they are being manipulated. Or, if they suspect this is happening, do not know how to end the process.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:22 AM

Originally posted by crimvelvet

Sort of hard to have real leaders when there are so many "LONE GUNMEN" ready to take them out.

Well put, your input into this great thread has massively informed me about the dark underbelly of the USA especially in the area of Big Agro.

Proto another superbly well thought out and timely thread, while I hold no support for any of the Mid East dictators, a bunch of hugely over paid Gate Keepers who's job was to control their populations anger with Israel, I haven't seen this much media double speak, spin or lies since the Georgian attack on Russia.

Last week I predicted a NATO military intervention in Libya, this week the possibility of such is being pushed hard on the msm, the effort TPTB are putting into these event indicates to me that we are looking at the beginnings of a very big deal, perhaps as you say ww3, let's hope if this is so it stays as class war fought without nukes.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:49 AM
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

When you had tribes fighting over territory there was a "Winning side" and the cost of war was offset by the acquisition of new land and resources. This was true up to and including the expansion of the British Empire

War changes, just like once there was a British empire there will once be other empires, some resources change and some do not in there necessary and demand, the premise changes but the core remains pretty much the same.

No the core DOES NOT remains pretty much the same. That is what I was trying to point out.

Originally a "prince" had to gather up the resources to pay his army or promise "war prizes" usually both, since he had to at the minimum to outfit and feed his army. Since this was very costly no war was fought unless it was to acquire more land or to defend it. Also the peasants would revolt if the taxes were raised too high to support a war (Usually 40% was the max) The last thing an invading prince needed was to see his rule overthrown at home by the angry peasants he left behind.

In this situation there were two parties to the war.

Once the bankers came up with Fractional Reserve Banking and started lending "fiat currency" to the princes, the princes could hide the cost of the war from the peasants (us) because the cost showed up as inflation of prices instead of direct taxes.

This meant there was a third party to war, the bankers. Wars were no longer fought to acquire more land and resources but were fought as a way to funnel the peasants wealth directly into the pockets of the bankers and their friends.

The whole game changed as a result.

Vietnam was an excellent example. Unless you were there, you have no idea of how ANGRY the troops were at NO BEING ALLOWED TO WIN by Congress. From the point of view of the Army, the orders were given by Nincompoops!

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:58 AM
Some recent Vatican statements:

The ROman Church invented ROmance. (RO, ROmany Gipsy, wanderer, goy.)

ALL women are prostitutes. (Handmaidens of the Lord) Well the Pope is also known as the Harlot of Jerusalem!

Wom(b)(m)an' is just a sperm resceptacle...

We teach our girls fellatio.

Well we spent ten years with NATO trying to prevent the global use of ABC WMD with its seven times overkill ability and now IT has hit us all with Armageddon. 7 is the number mentioned in Armageddon.

As you cannot beat the vanishing point this is where we all simply dissapear back to the Sea of the Nun or Waters of Creation. "And 'god' moved upon the waters."

In the beginning there was the word and the word was with 'god', but which word? Mass, murderer, extinction, pervert, etc. There are a LOT of words which should not really exist in a perfect world.

Here we clearly heard an angry voice way out in space say, "I should have got rid of these dogs years ago."

So IT is over! This is the end of time and the end game. ("I'll teach you to play games with me!)

See Shakespeare "As you like IT" IT is in heaven from the 'lords' prayer simply refers to the penis in the vagina.

Now we have I.T. in 'heaven' i.e. above us.

See Shakespeare "Much ado about nothing." The lord giveth and the lord taketh away." We end up with nothing.

As it was in the beginning (pre-creation, when there was nothing), is now, (nothing is actually real or kosher) and evermore will be. Everything will return to nothing.

See Shakespeare "To be or not to be, that is the question, etc.".

They paved Paradise and put up a tower block? And you don't know what you've got 'till IT is gone!

Ian Chattan

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:01 AM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I tend to think this all started with the First Gulf War what date to you think it all traces too?

World War III that is?

Imho and without too much thought so I don't mind differing views, the "rise" of Solidarity in Poland, hammer in the wedges and pour on the vinegar, that's how you split rock without much effort imho that was the spark that brought down the USSR and made war safe again, opening up a whole new income stream.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:11 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

...We all know there is a huge problem, the money is gone, the system is broke, no one in any leadership role has any kind of plan except hand outs (mostly to the rich) and war.

I have been trying to explain to people that yes Rome is on fire, put down that fiddle, but they love that some old song played again and again....

It is very frustrating Proto, I run into a Three classic types.

#1. The deeply religious who truly see what is happening, but believe it is the "Second coming of Christ" and will not budge an inch to do anything about the problems they see... It will be alright Deary, Pat, Pat... GRRRRrrrrrr.

#2. The bred to the bone Socialist who see the coming of a "New World Order" and the stripping of wealth from the middle class as a "Good Thing" I even had a college professor, Dr. M, tell me he had explained it all to his ten year old daughter who was OK with the fact she would have a much lower standard of living than her parents.

#3. This PHOTO describes the last type best.

TPTB do not NEED sophisticated weapons with Sheeple like that.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:16 AM
This all started with a guy setting himself on fire - several others following him and the international Arab population understanding that this has been going too far. It was a huge wake-up call. This went global in no time.

Tunisia was the first country to revolt and this was widely spread through the internet. The Arab world has international networks just like this website so the internet was the catalyst that created this snowball effect. Only after the revolution was successful here did the revolt spread over other countries.

Egypt has a temporary military control at request of the people. There will be elections in Q3 or Q4.
Lybia: civil war was unavoidable with a nutcase like Col. Khadaffi. Iran will follow suit as soon as there is any deciding event.
Places like Iraq and Afghanistan will never get a stable government as long as there is western (or any other) interference.

Natural democratic needs have caused this, not the shadow government. These regimes were all big friends of the west, now the future is unsure. You would be crazy to support this knowing that your sphere of influence is in danger, especially with a giant like China pushing to the west and taking control over Africa. But diplomacy is a funny thing and you use whatever is thrown at you to create new long-term power lines. Once the old ones crumble, be ready to draw the new ones - and be first! I have no doubts that there are powerful mechanisms at work to influence public opinion online but the liberation of the individual which the internet stands for is more of a danger to the powers that be then a virtue.

Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III? A bold, alarmist statement with very little evidence to back it up.
A guerrilla information war is definitely not the same as WWIII. This is the continuation of a propaganda machine using the newest technology at hand to continue it's work. That there is some kind of software or machine doing this misinformation on a large scale does not suggest WWIII either - the only connection you seem to have with WWIII is that statement from McLuhan. I also highly doubt that these countries will descend into chaos. It is very real that there are certain governments trying to influence the whole region but they always have and always will be. We need their natural resources and their vital geo-location. That is the true battle.
In order for there to be a World War we need an unstable world power. This could be the USA or Russia but that is doubtful. China? No way, they aren't going to hit their business partners. The only country I can think of right now capable of starting a big war is Israel. They have the military capability and can create casus belli whenever they need.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 09:44 AM
reply to post by raknjak

This all started with a guy setting himself on fire - several others following him and the international Arab population understanding that this has been going too far. It was a huge wake-up call. This went global in no time.

Really? You imagine this all started with one man setting himself on fire in one nation?

A couple questions come to mind.

How did everyone else in the other nations hear about it? Not the Internet right?

How come it takes groups like Wikileaks for us to hear about somethings that our government does in places like Iraq where helicopter gunships opened up on unarmed reporters and civilians killing dozens?

Doesn't get reported in our mainstream news when it happens, but later is exposed on the Internet by a group of people our government would like to send to jail for doing just that.

So I think it's safe to say the internet is used selectively by different groups to get a message across.

Now since our governments in the west are not perfect why aren't we uprising over the man who set himself on fire.

You know it's not an original event setting yourself on fire in protest, when people in Vietnam did it back during the Vietnam war, it didn't cause people in other South East Asian Nations to rebel.

I appreciate it your opinion, a rather emotional based one, and while no one least of all me, is denying that people in all nations all over the world, have real valid reasons to rebel, I find it much more likely that it was how the internet broadcast the story of the man in tunisia as opposed to the man himself doing it.

Case in point once again vietnam where it was only the mainstream media's version that was broadcast.

So who all was broadcasting the internet version and were some of those people U.S. Military or Intelligence personnel, England's or Israels.

A strong case has been laid out in this thread in post after post that Internet manipulation by the government and organizations exist.

A strong case has been outlined in this thread that the internet is being used to coordinate these uprisings and I think few anywhere no matter what your politics would dispute that.

The question is, who is on the other side of the monitor in some of those provocative cries to take to the streets?

Thanks for posting.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 09:49 AM
tie all of this with sensationalism and what a world we live in!

I also blame lack of education

Remember when those cars slammed into heathrow airport, and I think there was a bomb in one of them.
They called it an islamic attack, England's 9/11.

One of the guys came out of the car completely on fire, as if he was envolopped in flames
A bystander said he was on fire screaming "allah" "ALLAHHHHH"
And the world believed it.

If you are on fire I doubt you can consciously scream whatever you chose to scream, especially if you are THAT much on fire.

He probably screammed AAAAHHHHHHHHH if anything

Sorry Proto, I don't know why I just felt like adding that
It's not only fake online personas that's the problem, it's also naive people who will embrace these fake posts.

That's also an issue is it not?

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 10:13 AM
reply to post by Thepreye

...Last week I predicted a NATO military intervention in Libya, this week the possibility of such is being pushed hard on the msm, the effort TPTB are putting into these event indicates to me that we are looking at the beginnings of a very big deal, perhaps as you say ww3, let's hope if this is so it stays as class war fought without nukes.

You might want to read my thread Napolitano sets stage for False Flag Terrorist Attack It dovetails with what is happening in the Middle East.

About my comments on FOOD, I am glad you read it.

Well fed people underestimate the power of Food as a Weapon., but TPTB sure as heck does not.

"Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize." September 1995,Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program, and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture

Here in the USA the subject of farmers and food generally gets a big YAWN. Unfortunately that has allowed TPTB to wipe out US farming little by little.

A good well researched read on the history of the take over of farming from 1942 to present is History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job.

It clearly shows the shadow government at work determining a goal and working to achieve that goal over the long term. In 1890 farmers made up 43% of labor force before the bankers caused the world wide financial crash of 1893. In 1900, before the Federal Reserve Act, Farmers made up 38% of labor force. In most cases the land was owned free and clear. Now 40% of the USA is farmland growing about 25% of the world's supply of grain. Farmers are now about 1% of the population.

In 2007, BEFORE the economic crash, there were 2,204,792 Farms. Of these 1,167,751 farms suffered losses, averaging $15,596. The additional cost of regulation can not be absorbed by American farmers. This is going to have a devastating effect world wide over the next decade especially if American farmers wake up and STRIKE instead of selling out to the Ag cartel waiting to snap up cheap land. (Now you know why US real estate prices took a nose dive)

Economic Concentration in Agribusiness: Testimony to the United States Senate

...Since 1984, the real price of a market basket of food has increased by 2.8%, while the farm value of that food has fallen by 35.7%.

Historically, much of the widening gap was due to additional services being provided to the consumer, but this does not explain the accelerated growth of the gap starting in the early 1990s...

A study... showed that 37 out of 40 subsectors of the U.S. food industry exercised statistically significant market power in setting output prices... [buyer set price not farmer]

the widening gap between retail prices and farm value is reflected in rates of return on equity, which are shown in Figure 3 for all retail food chains, all food manufacturers, agricultural banks, and farming. The rate of return for all food manufacturers and for retail food chains has been trending upward, which is consistent with the widening gap...

...the rate of return on equity during the 1990s has been 18.0% for retail food chains, 17.2% for food manufacturers, 10.8% for agricultural banks, and 4.5% for farming....the rate of return in farming separated into the rate of return from current income, which averaged 2.39% during the 1990s, and the rate of return from real capital gains from assets, primarily land, which averaged 2.06%.... [With land prices dropping the return for farming drops to 2.39%]/b] or below]

...Absentee ownership of agricultural land now accounts for about 60% of cropland and 30% of pasture and range land

Irrespective of corporate power over markets, returns to farming from cash income will remain low as long as there is a pool of individuals (current farmers and potential farmers) who are willing to accept a low return and high risk just to be in farming...

That last sentence is key to the problem of the world food supply.

US farmers, farming because of a love of the land, have kept food prices "ARTIFICIALLY" low. Once farming is in the hands of Monsanto, Smithfield, JB swift and the like you can bet that 2.4% ROI will skyrocket to returns of 15% or better and your food prices will also sky rocket.

Will farmers allow the Ag Cartel to slowly confiscate the remaining privately held US farmland over a period of the next few years?

Will American farmers finally wake up and band together and STRIKE?

Will those crusty old Vietnam Vets, who only want to be left alone, cause major blood shed when government agents brandishing that most vicious of anti-entrepreneurial weapons: ‘sanitary and hygiene regulations’ come calling and be labeled "Home Grown Terrorists"?

Only time will tell. We should know by 2013, 2015 by the latest.

Meanwhile I am not selling a blasted thing off my farm and will be raising my entire food supply instead.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 10:23 AM
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

I have to say I both agree and disagree with you on many levels.

Wars, at least in the last century, are usually started by bankers now.

Warfare used to be for spreading to a new village, to gain access to food, or even to rob someone of wealth.

A lot less complicated, warfare in some instances had honor, but not in a long, long time.

When it came to defending home and being attacked that is the highest honor in warfare.

But today bankers sit on both sides dividing up countries like child molesters with lollipops at a Barney event.

Back when corporations and their masters, those bankers financing their business, figured out warfare could not just be about struggles of power, but about profitability, the Stock Market was born, and the manipulation of power was strenghtened and taken out of people's hands like the Pope and the Whore of Babylon, the Catholic Church, and warfare in fact became a commodity, and less and less about consumerism, and more about which banker could profit off of both sides of the conflict.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Stock Market

A stock market or equity market is a public (a loose network of economic transactions, not a physical facility or discrete) entity for the trading of company stock (shares) and derivatives at an agreed price; these are securities listed on a stock exchange as well as those only traded privately.

The size of the world stock market was estimated at about $36.6 trillion at the start of October 2008.

The total world derivatives market has been estimated at about $791 trillion face or nominal value, 11 times the size of the entire world economy.

The value of the derivatives market, because it is stated in terms of notional values, cannot be directly compared to a stock or a fixed income security, which traditionally refers to an actual value.

Moreover, the vast majority of derivatives 'cancel' each other out (i.e., a derivative 'bet' on an event occurring is offset by a comparable derivative 'bet' on the event not occurring).

Many such relatively illiquid securities are valued as marked to model, rather than an actual market price.

The stocks are listed and traded on stock exchanges which are entities of a corporation or mutual organization specialized in the business of bringing buyers and sellers of the organizations to a listing of stocks and securities together.

The largest stock market in the United States, by market cap, is the New York Stock Exchange, NYSE. In Canada, the largest stock market is the Toronto Stock Exchange.

Major European examples of stock exchanges include the Amsterdam Stock Exchange, London Stock Exchange, Paris Bourse, and the Deutsche Börse (Frankfurt Stock Exchange).

In Africa, examples include Nigerian Stock Exchange, JSE Limited, etc.

Asian examples include the Tokyo Stock Exchange, the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, the Shanghai Stock Exchange, and the Bombay Stock Exchange. In Latin America, there are such exchanges as the BM&F Bovespa and the BMV.

Underlined by SKL

This traces back to the days of colonization and further when warfare became profitable.

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Publishers Weekly : Amazon Review :

Entertaining, richly detailed and authoritatively narrated, Zacks's account of the life of legendary seaman William Kidd delivers a first-rate story.

Though Kidd, better known as Captain Kidd, was inextricably bound with piracy and has popularly gone down as a marauding buccaneer himself, Zacks (An Underground Education) argues that he was actually a mercenary backed by the English government and several New World investors to track down pirates and reclaim their stolen wares.

The book is cogent and replete with supporting evidence without the heavy-handed feel of some scholarly work.

What really sets the book apart is Zacks's gift as researcher and storyteller.

He highlights the role of an undeniable pirate, Robert Culliford, in Kidd's tale and pits the two men against each other from the outset, constructing his book as an intriguing duel.

Aside from the tightly constructed plot, Zacks also wonderfully evokes the social and political life of the 17th century at land and at sea, and he takes turns at debunking and validating pirate folklore: while it appears the dead giveaway of a skull and crossbones made it a rare flag choice, Zacks contends that pirates did often wear extravagant clothing and were as drunk, cursing, hungry, horny... and violent as myth would have them.

Augmented by such details and driven by a conflict between Kidd and Culliford that keeps the pages flying, Zacks's book is a treasure, indeed.

Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.

Why else would leaders of Colonial America and England pay a pirate, excuse me, a privateer, the less offensive name for nothing more than a legalized mercenary, seek out pirates to regain their treasures raped from various countries?

Ship Buried in 18th Century Unearthed at WTC Site

I am betting that this ship is none other than one of Captain Kidd's ships

He had several, one which was loaned, one he stole after being mutinied upon, etc.

Privateering is one of the birth points of bankers using commodity loss as a reason to declare war.

Through asking, forcing, or manipulating Kings and Queens into seeking revenge.

Let us not forget one of the greatest people to figure out the scams in Washington D.C.

The Secret Life of Houdini: The Making of America's First Superhero

Amazon Review :

Handcuff King. Escape Artist. International Superstar.

Since his death eighty years ago, Harry Houdini's life has been chronicled in books, in film, and on television.

Now, in this groundbreaking biography, renowned magic expert William Kalush and bestselling writer Larry Sloman team up to find the man behind the myth.

Drawing from millions of pages of research, they describe in vivid detail the passions that drove Houdini to perform ever-more-dangerous feats, his secret life as a spy, and a pernicious plot to subvert his legacy.

The Secret Life of Houdini traces the arc of the master magician's life from desperate poverty to worldwide fame -- his legacy later threatened by a group of fanatical Spiritualists led by esteemed British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Initiating the reader along the way into the arcane world of professional magic, Kalush and Sloman decode a life based on deception, providing an intimate and riveting portrayal of Houdini, the man and the legend.

He deduced that the entire Government, up to and including the White House, was infiltrated.

By charlatan, con men, and spiritualists all trying for one thing and one thing.

To profit off of the ignorance of mankind.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look At The Federal Reserve

Amazon Review :

Where does money come from?

Where does it go?

Who makes it?

The money magicians' secrets are unveiled.

We get a close look at their mirrors and smoke machines, their pulleys, cogs, and wheels that create the grand illusion called money.

A dry and boring subject?

Just wait!

You'll be hooked in five minutes.

Reads like a detective story — which it really is.

But it's all true.

This book is about the most blatant scam of all history.

It's all here: the cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depression, prosperity.

Creature from Jekyll Island will change the way you view the world, politics, and money.

Your world view will definitely change.

You'll never trust a politician again — or a banker.

Griffin explores how warfare and banking have been hand-in-hand for a very long time.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

Even through creating the Federal Reserve to manipulate profitability even more so.

Next we move on to a Marine General's thoughts on his activities.

War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier

Amazon Review :

Originally printed in 1935, War Is a Racket is General Smedley Butler's frank speech describing his role as a soldier as nothing more than serving as a puppet for big-business interests.

In addition to photos from the notorious 1932 anti-war book The Horror of It by Frederick A. Barber, this book includes two never-before-published anti-interventionist essays by General Butler.

The introduction discusses why General Butler went against the corporate war machine and how he exposed a fascist coup d'etat plot against President Franklin Roosevelt.

Widely appreciated and referenced by left- and right-wingers alike, this is an extraordinary argument against war - more relevant now than ever.

Moving a few years more into 20th Century we see where Wall Street was incremental in starting WWII.

Wall Street and FDR

Wall Street and FDR : Digital Copy

The many machinations of F.D.R. througout Wall Street with his never letting one hand know what the other was doing.

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

Amazon Review :

This important book goes into the role of Morgan banking executives in funneling illegal Bolshevik gold into the U.S. and how the American Red Cross was co-opted by powerful forces on Wall Street.

It also tells of Wall Streeters who intervened to free Leon Trotsky, even though Trotsky's stated aim was to engineer 'the real revolution'... The Soviet coup which toppled Kerensky, and much more.

Where the Tsars were overthrown and The Great Russian Bear was created.

Just to create an enemy for America to later conquer through finances not actual warfare.

The reason Russia collapsed is because a C.I.A. analyst figured out we just had to outspend them.

And their economy would collapse which seems to be a foretelling of our own economy.

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

SKL's Amazon Review :

This book is quite literally a tell all of all the names of who financed Adolph Hitler's rise to power by financial means.

The man didn't get into power just by his lies, but by lies of other men too, the men with power, with money, and influence, and the access to Wall Street.

You would be surprised to see the names within this book that financed "the funny little man, with the funny little mustache" that almost took over the entire world. I will not ruin the book for you by telling all the names in it, but I will tell you two men's name I know you will instantly recognize.

Henry Ford & Edsel Ford. Yes, those "Ford's", from Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford even got the highest award the Nazi's could give to a foreigner, in recognition of his assistance to Adolph Hitler, and his picture hung in Hitler's office. Just so you know, I am not a fan of the Nazi's, nor am I a racist of any kind, nor a fan of Adolph Hitler.

I'm following a papertrail to find out all the names of who helped the man get into power to begin with, because I am someone who knows there's more to history than what they teach you in school. It doesn't just come down to the lies a politician tells the people who put them in office, but to the power-brokers who finance the man.

Adolph Hitler was a politician, plain and simple.

He knew how to lie to the people and give them comfort through manipulative persuasion and then when the people willingly gave him the power he went for the throat of the world.

Another good book that tells the details of who assisted Hitler that you may be able to find here on Amazon is, "IBM and the Holocaust."

Yes, I am talking about that "IBM" here too.

They helped Hitler track down the Jews and other "undesirables" (Hitler's words, not Mine) through the use of the census and the Hollerith Card Sorting Machine.

Hitler did not just get into power through manipulation of the German people due to the Versailles Treaty.

And the Versailles Treaty was Wall Street and many countries reaping rewards from Germany by rape.

Financial rape.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation

Amazon Review :

Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?

That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.

"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.

"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project.

The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.

Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.

Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?

Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.

The moral argument turns on one question: How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?

Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler.

He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.

(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.)

Black has created a must-read work of history.

But it's also a fascinating business book examining the colliding influences of personality, morality, and cold strategic calculation.

--Tim Appelo

Without information the Nazis could have never tracked down the Jews and other "undesirables".

You might be wondering what this all has to do with the original premise of ProtoplasmicTraveler.

This is now where I will connect all of those dots and bring it all from being indirectly on topic and directly into being dead on topic.

Information, in tandem with money, is the newest form of commodity, and the Internet is the backbone.

Corporations like I.B.M., Verichip and Digital Angel, and Destron Fearing are assisting the World Bank.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products. Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

Real World ID solutions?

Like Applied Digital Solutions perhaps?

Quote from : Wikipedia : Real ID Act

The REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, was an Act of Congress that modified U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and identification (ID) cards, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.

The law set forth certain requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

The Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and identification cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants.

The REAL ID Act implements the following:

Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.

Establishing new national standards for state-issued driver licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.

Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (similar to bail bonds but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).

Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorist activity.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.

As of April 2, 2008, all 50 states have either applied for extensions of the original May 11, 2008 compliance deadline or received unsolicited extensions.

As of October 2009, 25 states have approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program, and with President Obama's selection of Janet Napolitano (a prominent critic of the program) to head the Department of Homeland Security, the future of the law remains uncertain, and bills have been introduced into Congress to amend or repeal it.

The most recent of these, dubbed PASS ID, would eliminate many of the more burdensome technological requirements but still require states to meet federal standards in order to have their ID cards accepted by federal agencies.

This is all meant towards data-mining and asset tracking through information being a commodity.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is a federal statute that was signed into United States law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010.

This Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (signed into law on March 30, 2010) made up the health care reform of 2010.

The laws focus on reform of the private health insurance market, provide better coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, improve prescription drug coverage in Medicare and extend the life of the Medicare Trust fund by at least 12 years.

The PPACA passed the Senate on December 24, 2009, by a vote of 60–39 with all Democrats and Independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against.

It passed the House of Representatives on March 21, 2010, by a vote of 219–212, with all 178 Republicans and 34 Democrats voting against the bill.

The law has already received legal challenges regarding the minimum coverage provision.

Three cases in federal courts upheld the constitutionality of this provision while two deemed it unconstitutional.

Six other challenges were dismissed on grounds such as plaintiffs being unable to demonstrate sufficient standing.

The Supreme Court could review this law as early as the end of 2011.

This all ties into this through "securing patient medical records" from identity theft.

Notice VeriMed and the Verichip Corporation?

Notice how this is all tied together by the R.F.I.D. and Internet through Wi-Fi?

And as well asset tracking for when we humans will be mere assets tracked through the Internet.

Do those two objects look familiar like perhaps what you walk through at Wal-Mart?

The purpose is of course to do things without the population detecting a single thing.

As it is hidden in plain sight to connect information and money.

The seemingly insignificant penny and the R.F.I.D. gets you into their system.

IBM RFID commercial- Shopping in the Future as a Chipped Human

So, while yes, consumerism is a large part of this stupidity, it is as well the Machiavelianism of bankers.

IBM Commercial - RFID

Asset tracking, humans are a commodity, like cattle now to the bankers and politicians.

So, your ascertation that bankers are not running wars, is at best naive.

And at the worst makes you just another commodity in the stock yards.

Take care for what knowledge you lack for it will be tracked just as what you do know.

Starting WWII, no, but the waging of a guerilla warfare campaign, yes, indeed it is happening.
edit on 3/1/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by hp1229

As I understand it google has modeled people to an extent that they can predict what the masses will do
this is tied to the fact that they claimed to have a hand in starting the revolutions.

They are a government connected company using CIA satalite systems and software and of course they provide the input and filtering the Gov asks them to to the masses.
as they did/do in china.

the internet will serve the same uses as the papers and the movie halls did in the past.
it is just one tool in the arsenal
edit on 28-2-2011 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

I think the news, websites are always altered for the general public who are not usually the rioters or protestors. Usually in any political system there is opposition party with goons and thugs (just like the gangs of LA during rodney king). They are the ones that protest and ofcourse it gets blown out of proportion when they protest. They're all waiting for a reason to go out and riot (poverty has a lot to do with this). If you offer them money in return for riot or simply join the protests, they will surely do. Votebank politics.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 11:11 AM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

tie all of this with sensationalism and what a world we live in! I also blame lack of education Remember when those cars slammed into heathrow airport, and I think there was a bomb in one of them. They called it an islamic attack, England's 9/11. One of the guys came out of the car completely on fire, as if he was envolopped in flames A bystander said he was on fire screaming "allah" "ALLAHHHHH" And the world believed it.

You're absolutely correct in my opinion ModernAcademia. If we cannot think for ourselves and let others tell us what to think and feel, we are totally doomed. Remember George Estabrooks. Only a people who question and think can be sure that hypnosis-disguised or direct-will not undermine their freedom and rob them of their very lives.

Department of Psychology chairman at Colgate University, Dr. Estabrooks, one of the most authoritative sources stirring up fear of mind-controlled sixth columnists in wartime USA stated, "Only a people who refuse to permit themselves to sink into intellectual lethargy and conformity, only a people who question and think . . . can be sure that hypnosis--disguised or direct--will not undermine their freedom and rob them of their very lives."
edit on 1-3-2011 by jackflap because: External content tags.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 11:42 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

WOW, very nice post. I am so glad you included actual photos of the book covers and some reference material. Good to see that you and Crimvelvet are well informed, can not wait till more people open their closed minds, put down the drink and research and study who is behind it and what is going on. If they were to all learn what they were and who they are and how to communicate in a non-violent way, what a discussion we would have and the knowledge would hopefully spread like wildfire.

posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 11:49 AM
reply to post by raknjak

Natural democratic needs have caused this, not the shadow government. These regimes were all big friends of the west, now the future is unsure. You would be crazy to support this knowing that your sphere of influence is in danger, especially with a giant like China pushing to the west and taking control over Africa.

You are making the mistake of thinking the shadow government controlling the world and the US views China as an enemy or the Chinese form of government as undesirable.

This is straight from China:
2011 Global Urban Development Forum successfully hosted in Beijing by the International Economic Club of China

Prominently displayed first is a picture of the TRAITOR in CHIEF Al Gore.

Maurice Strong Economic Club of China Honorary Advisor:

... Former Deputy Secretary General to United Nations and Founder of United Nations Environmental Program and “Earth Summit” the Hon. Maurice Strong, addressed the Goldman Sachs leadership series dinner on the 8th December 2009 in Hong Kong....

Lest you forget:

...“Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof.”

Maurice Strong is a good buddy of Al Gore who helped him scam the US government and niave stockholders with his Molten Metal Inc CON

If you are unaware, Strong served on the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance,

Maurice Strong: The U.N.'s Man of Mystery -

Maurice Strong: No better place to hide from justice than China

Strong's long ties with China

Barack Obama has reshuffled his staff and has appointed the same people Clinton had on his staff who promoted China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, as well as the ratifications of the WTO and NAFTA. Moves that cost the USA 20 percent of our manufacturing jobs in 14 years AND wiped out 75% of Mexico's farmers, a precursor of the 2008 food riots.

New Head of the National Economic Council: Gene Sperling an economist served as a Counselor to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. He is also on the staff of the Council on Foreign Relations, where he serves as Senior Fellow for Economic Policy. Sperling worked on China’s entry into the World Trade Organization as Clinton's head of the National Economic Council.

New Chief of Staff: (Often dubbed, the second most powerful person in Washington) William Daley, a lawyer and banker,was U.S. Secretary of Commerce from 1997 to 2000. He was special counsel to Clinton on NAFTA. In 1997, In July 2000 he became chairman of Al Gore's presidential campaign. Daley was made Midwest Chairman of J.P. Morgan Chase. Daley too was instrumental in the passage of NAFTA and China’s entry into the WTO.

Head of the newly created Council on Jobs and Competitiveness: CEO Jeffery Immelt, CEO of General Electric was a vocal supporter for China’s entry into the World Trade Organization.

...You would have difficulty finding a company that has outsourced more jobs and closed more American factories than GE....

Immelt's prescription for boosting manufacturing harkens back to the days of bloodletting as a medical procedure -- bad policy with consistently poor results:

* In a speech to the Detroit Economic Club in 2009, Immelt berated "Buy American" policies while acknowledging that GE lived under domestic preference regimes in China, France, and other nations. In Immelt's mind, it is fine for China and France to require to GE to make what it sells in their nations, but it's not OK for America to do the same.

* Immelt essentially rules out any enforcement of our trade laws in his Washington Post op-ed today through a spurious claim that distorts the issue. So China can cheat all it wants, and Immelt wants us to do nothing. Trade enforcement is not "erecting barriers," as Immelt alleges. Rather, trade enforcement is about removing distortions from the free market. Immelt reveals his true stripes with this ridiculous assertion. It's a dangerous statement, and it demands an immediate and forceful rebuke from the White House.

* Immelt supported two of the most disastrous economic policies of the post-World War II era: financial deregulation and China's entry into the World Trade Organization with few, if any, consequences for breaking the rules.

The result of policies Immelt has supported: one-third of our manufacturing workforce gone in a decade. 50,000 shuttered factories. At least $245 billion in real wage and salary losses for manufacturing workers. Record trade deficits with China. In short, our worst decade in manufacturing history--by most measures even worse than the Great Depression....

With Political Leaders like these who needs Enemies???

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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by hp1229

As I understand it google has modeled people to an extent that they can predict what the masses will do
this is tied to the fact that they claimed to have a hand in starting the revolutions.

They are a government connected company using CIA satalite systems and software and of course they provide the input and filtering the Gov asks them to to the masses.
as they did/do in china.

the internet will serve the same uses as the papers and the movie halls did in the past.
it is just one tool in the arsenal
edit on 28-2-2011 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

That is not called prediction. Given choices to the web surfers choice A, B and C but not D , E and F then obviously there are only 3 possibilities which is easy to pointout if A and B are totally absurd then surely C is the only option that the user has. That is not called predicting. That is herding the masses.

They might be connected to the government but they still cannot predict what the public is capable of and might do despite saving the surfing/shopping habits of the users.

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